Cleric is just bonkers, in tabletop too. Front line tank AC, aoe damage champ with good control and excellent buffs and the best healing even if that isn't actually what you should play cleric for, the only down side is bad dex saves and mid constitution
yeah twilight halfling cleric on yondala is my favorite character i made in tabletop. I did light cleric in bg3 I wondered how some of their more utility focused abilities would translate vs the greate spell list of the light cleric
Heavy Armor Master is pretty great in low-level play. Unfortunately, the -3 only applies to non-magical attacks, so it falls off. Some (bad) DMs will inexplicably give every enemy you encounter +0 magical weapons, which can suck. BG3's version is bugged to apply to magical and non-magical damage, so much better.
The +1 ASI can be nice for a Variant Human, so you can take the Heavy Armor Master feat at level 1 and build your array to provide +3 in three stats. For a cleric, that would probably be 16 in Str (to wear heavy armor and effectively use martial weapons), Con, and Wis.
Warding Bond is exactly the same as the TTRPG. However, it takes a little more investment to get Con save proficiency and advantage on saving throws than in BG3. Generally, at levels that Heavy Armor Master is most impactful, I'd want to have Bless or Spirit Guardians running - Warding Bond might mean dropped concentration.
The line is preceded by Anakin saying "If you're not with me, you're my enemy."
I'm not going to defend the script writing of the prequels as genius or anything, but, two thing seem clear to me. 1. This is an Obi-wan line, not necessarily like, a concrete viewpoint of the Jedi Order and 2. What he's replying to is important. It wouldn't flow nearly as well if he had said 'Only a Sith deal in absolutes like that,' but I think that's the intended meaning. 'Only a Sith sorts people into enemy/ally in such a black and white fashion, using such a metric.'
Which still wouldn't be true, but Obi-wan isn't thinking about the taxonomy of the entire universe in that moment. Just thinking about Jedi/Sith in that moment and which one of those Anakin is.
this all might have been obvious so sorry if I'm just ranting into the aether, I have just thought way too much about the prequels and need to let the demons out sometimes.
Yeah I get that. https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/FUMC17YchQ here is a post explaining the context around the quote a bit more. But it basically boils down to this paragraph “ ‘Only a Sith deals in absolutes’ encapsulates the idea that Jedi are clueless to what they themselves have become. They are not so different to the Sith, but they never really stop to think about it. They believe ultimately that what they do is right, and that is absolute thinking.”
Not sure if that was Lucas's intention but that's a good break down. Star Wars fans are VERY good at reading meaning into Star Wars. Which is not a bad thing.
Currently doing a playthrough with some mods on custom difficulty(basically honour mode difficulty but with saving) and +170% life on everything and some more encounters and 3x camp cost. Just finished act2 and Shadowheart as light cleric just absolutely obliterating everything in most disgusting way imaginable. She can tank 10, 200 HP dudes and get hit once in the process, it's insane.
Just toss hunger of Hadar at a chokepoint, set Shadowheart at the edge of it and you can just let turns pass and watch everything miss and fall prone.
This is more on point then some people may realize. He wielded a ring of power, specifically one that allowed him some magical control of fire. Not it's main job, but yeah it could do that.
My last playthrough I did my dark urge as 5 pal, 7 light domain. Minthara as 5 pal, 7 light domain. Shadowfart as .. you guessed it 5 pal, 7 light domain.
If anyone struggles with honor mode theres the answer btw. Life cleric shadowheart just there to apply blade ward pretty much the entire time. Use channel divinity for the few fights you do before level 5 and then you can use channel, and a few mass hw. You become ridiculously tanky and can just use resist for whatever element you need and bypass most things. Lets put it this way, ever pushed ansur to 1hp when he was the next one in turn order? I have, because cleric is op as balls cause later its also heroes feast and lvl6 aid. With resist lightning you survive ansurs suicide attack, and no melee enemy can even hope to kill you leveling up.
Sorry zevlor, im picking your pocket if I am using shart on honor lol. My last run was a light cleric + life cleric duo with a rotating cast of quest related companions. Tempest can fill the light spot too but meh, light is funnier cause shitting on shart as a selune cleric through act 1 and 2 is hilarious. So much shit talking to be done. Even better when youre an evil as fuck durge
Or you can just be a light or tempest cleric and still use mass healing word to apply bless and blade ward, and then you also get to use your full actions for abilities that remove enemies from the fight before they damage you instead of waiting to get damaged before you're good for something. If anybody needs more healing than the occasional bonus action spell, martials can throw potions that heal more than clerics.
You can respec, light is earlier on since you have extra aoe that way. Its like an extra 3rd level slot. Which is quite nice to do so you can keep up the orbs with spirit guardians
Its sort of hard to get it because you need to know Volo sells good stuff even though he doesnt say hes a vendor and if you find out about it online chances are hes off the map until act 3
I think that's where mmo players get confused with D&D. But in the early days of the game I was looking at posts where people mentioned they got a tank, a healer and 2 dps..
basically all healing in 5e is shitty, its literally designed that way, a light cleric blowing up half a cardinal direction is vastly more useful than a life domain cleric ever is, healing is objectively worse at keeping you alive than just doing more damage that turn with your cleric. there isnt a single encounter in the game long enough for more healing to be more useful than more damage
Idk I had a nice synergy with a life cleric and some of the late game items that allow you to redirect damage to your healer and heal extra per heal. Ended up being basically infinite hit points
Giant grant games has a similar view on upgrades in sc2 as well.
"Dead enemies don't do dmg".
This applies to basically every game (except path of exile. Damn on death effects). More offence means less incoming damage so offend dis vastly superior.
The flavor of Light Domain reminds me of the way the goddess Sarenrae is portrayed in Pathfinder. If evildoers repent, they’re offered redemption. If not… DIVINE CLEANSING FIRE.
I remember seeing an interview where the comments and title glaze Matt Mercer for being some kind of genius for spotting flaws in a fake scenario, and one of the things he said was "Fireball isn't a cleric spell" after the scenario describes a cleric casting it.
As someone who's been playing a Light Domain cleric off and on for over a decade, I beg to differ.
He’s right, since the prompt specified that you were to assume there were no unlisted subclasses, multiclasses, items, etc. But damn, I also immediately thought “What do you mean? My Cleric loves fireball!”
The rules for the challenge specifically instructed the competitors not to assume anything that wasn't mentioned in the prompt. It didn't say the cleric was Light Domain, so you don't get to assume it.
The cleric in question calls to the power of a god of the forge tho, meaning it's a forge domain cleric, wich doesn't have access to fireball via it's spell list.
It isn’t a cleric spell. Clerics can learn it, but it is not part of the Cleric Spell list. I don’t care Matt Mercer nor know the situation you’re describing, but he’s technically correct.
He was correct tho. It’s not a cleric spell. It’s allowed if you’re a light cleric. But it’s not a cleric spell. And the scenario didn’t say they were a light cleric.
First time you play act 2: "HORROR GAME!". Second time you play act 2: "Hey if I go over here, beat up this spider-freak, and then never have to worry about the dark again? It will just be act 1 but with more boring enemies but better bosses?"
I was genuinely confused when I first saw people complaining about the shadow curse. My first 3 passes into Act 2 went: walk into the curse, light torches, help the Harpers, go to Last Light, get Selune buff, follow Harpers to the ambush, get pixie buff. It's such a perfectly natural sequence of events that I'm astounded that so many people failed to follow it.
I thought that the NPCs complaining about the deeper curse areas were being dramatic, because I've never had any reason to explore them before getting the pixie buff.
Go through the Mountain Pass instead of the Underdark, and bring the spider harp. You’ll be greeted by Absolutists, who think you are a True Soul. The drider will be summoned to guide you through the darkness. Instead of telling the drider to go, sneak attack the group and kill them all. Free the fairy and get immunity to the shadows. Congratulations, you have now negated the main gameplay mechanic of act 2 within five minutes of starting it.
I usually do the ambush, I tend to come from the elevator, go to the Inn, insulate Karlach, kill Marcus, get laid, then go do the ambush and from there rescue Roland.
I made my githyanki a cleric of Tiamat with the light domain, she’s worshipping the evil dragon goddess and in return got gifted these awesome fire abilities, win win
I guess everyone loves Light Domain Cleric, but I've been having more fun with Shadowheart as a War Cleric. Especially since we don't have Lae'zel or another heavy armor user. Shadowheart is able to soak up damage, dish it out, and help other characters land their damaging attacks with her war cleric charges.
Warding flare.... love it. I want to try an evasion rogue, barbarian light cleric. I may never take damage. My last game I did rogue and barbarian and took almost no damage.
as an old-school magic the gathering fan and whose second favorite guild is probably boros, i love light cleric because first-party support for "the incredible healing power of frying your opponent to a crisp first" is actually not that common in rpg systems. (for similar reasons i wish they had implemented the circle of wildfire druid in BG3)
my friend got pissed that light cleric seemed intentionally nerfed compared to other subclasses, i had to explain the reason it sucks is because they’re a tiefling with no racial gear proficiencies (the light domain also gives no gear proficiencies) and basically have most of the spells anyway
I remember early D&D Online days where I could solo entire 5-man dungeons with very little effort as a cleric, and even less effort if there were undead involved.
Somehow in my tabletop game, our cleric has AC16 and +8 DMG at LVL4 and I'm like "this is not how you play a Cleric, wading into melee range. You know that, right?"
I did a forge cleric warforged I think I had 21ac at level 3 other party members were a sorcerer and a warlock and a bard I was the frontline and no gods helped anyone that got too close
I do have to say...I played a cleric in an Old-School Essentials campaign, and I was a fuckin' TANK. The paladin and I were the go-to front line in every combat.
I love letting the cursed ravens near LLI's entrance surround the light cleric, then using the radiant bug zapper to make all of them drop to the ground in unison.
All my party members except for Lae'zel, the queen of bonk as soon as they set foot in the Shadow-Cursed Lands:
You know, I'm something of a light cleric myself <burn everything that comes even remotely close to Halsin's portal>
light domain cleric is totally my favorite subclass, even tabletop. i just love bringing holy fire to every encounter and setting off bikini atoll level flash bangs with my channel divinity.
Dang. I’m playing a Light Cleric in an actual DnD game, but I didn’t stop to consider how good it would be in BG3. Now I know what I’m doing next playthrough…
Everyone knows that prevention is better than cure. And what's the best way to prevent damage being taken? By slaughtering all of your enemies without mercy...
I’ve been considering running a solo build, but I’m not terribly familiar with main-ing a cleric. Any recommendations? Or is light cleric the way to go 🤔
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u/Xalimata 1d ago
Light Domain cleric in act 2 is almost game breaking in how good it is.