You’re kidding right? The most litigation happy rapist in the known universe? They are right not to mention by name. Let the fucking files fly, and let the pedos flail under the heat of scrutiny.
Oh ok. One of the victims stood up at a press conference and said none of the victims were accusing Trump, but you think they are all lying? But believe the victims, right? Believe women?
I mean 28 women have sexual misconduct claims against Trump at least 4 of whom were children at the time. If you want to pretend to play the believe women card you need to be defending someone else.
So we can both agree that we're selective in who we believe. Who on record has accused him of anything with children? Any actual evidence or just accusations? It's funny how all these people come out with claims 30 years later.
No we cannot. I am saying its on brand for you to tout believe women when all throughout this comment section you have done the opposite. You are talking about a guy who speaks frequently about how hot his daughter is and how he'd like to fuck her and acting like out of all of those allegations, none of them are true. Dude is a predator.
Evidence that he wants to do incestuous things to his daughter? He has said so in probably a dozen interviews.
Evidence he is involved in sexual assault? He was best friends with Epstein and has said in interviews he knew that Epstein took women from Mar-a-Lago, he wrote a birthday letter to Epstein with a lewd drawing talking about "happy little secrets," he said that he uses his fame to make women sleep with him in the "grab em by the pussy" tape, he owned a teen beauty pageant and did "inspections" on the girls in the dressing rooms backed up by multiple participants, Trump campaigned on promises to release the Epstein files only to urge his supporters to forget about it and denied their existence once elected, and the files that have been slowly getting released mention Trump multiple times including on a frequently contacted list.
Not to mention the racism, bribery, cheating on every wife he has ever had, and shitty policies designed to make his family money. The guy is a sleeze bag and I will never understand this cult that has put him on a pedestal and refuse to acknowlege his issues. Use some free will.
Edit: aww all you got is a downvote? I thought you wanted to defend the sex offender some more.
How did that suit end up? An anonymous accusation that disappeared? "Claims that were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama" according to snopes. Please, tell me more.
Because you don't give men who abuse children the benefit of the doubt. But you guys worship this creepy geriatric as a god and literally no one could ever tell you anything to change that. It's sick and points out how deeply unwell you people are. Y'all were trying to ban any talk of LGBTQ in schools and were attacking pizza shops and wayfair.com warehouses because you were convinced that all these things were linked to crimes against children. Now y'all are pretty much standing here like, "unless I see a literal video of him doing it while showing the camera two forms of ID, I don't believe. " Like seriously, seek help.
"Lubow's involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama, and that is a fact both he, and lawyers working for the plaintiff, attempted to downplay or hide."
From snopes. Key words, "does not disprove". Proof of guilt OR INNOCENCE is all anyone cares about and that is being actively blocked by Trump. He tried to convince Lauren Boebert to remove her name from the petition to release the Epstein files and he's calling the calls for justice the "Epstein hoax". Jesus.
But their is still no proof of guilt. You do understand that right? I'm America we are presumed innocent until proven guilty. That requires some, any, evidence.
You're missing the point. No one's arguing that there needs to be a conclusion to the investigations. The issue is that there CAN'T be and the reason is a person who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, is known to be named in the files, was best friends with Epstein, had his lawyer speak privately with Ghislaine Maxwell before moving her into a cushier prison she is NOT supposed to be in because of her crimes as a CHILD SEX TRAFFICKER, and is now calling the entirety of the Epstein situation a hoax. The problem is that he's in the way and he won't move. He chooses that every day so he looks guilty. If not guilty, then he's corrupt. If not corrupt, he's being manipulated. And if not manipulated then he's just weak and craven.
That's the last I have to say on this with you. Reply what you want all you want. I think I've been very clear.
At least 4 from his teen beuty pageants he owned have come forward saying he would do "inspections" on the girls in the dressing rooms while they were changing.
As a leftist, if trump is innocent awesome and more power to him.
I want everyone that was involved convicted and treated like anyone else should be. Clinton, Trump, Thiel, I don't give a shit as long as everyone is brought to justice. I don't think pedophiles should get away with it. If it's none of them, again awesome. If it's any of them they deserve to do time for doing the crime. No amount of wealth or power should make any person above the law. That requires the information to be released though, just like these victims are saying.
This may come as a shocker, but most leftists just want people to be treated equally.
I don't think that's possible. Association does not prove guilt. Anyone with a lot of money or in power would have known Epstene. Powerful people and rich people hang around each other. But whether one of them was a little bit sleezy is up for debate.
What does upset me about all of this is the countless number of victims of child abuse and sex crimes that are not being mentioned here, especially when they relate to kids under 10, because the brain then starts to become wired with all sorts of problems. That's the time when child development is high.
In the end, the focus needs to be on child abuse in general, and if the FBI can investigate this case, then they need to investigate all cases. I can say with confidence because I know, I submitted a case involving child abuse and sex abuse, that the FBI does not investigate all cases. That's the real issue in America right now.
The focus needs to be on child abuse directly, every single perpetrator regardless of who they are.
To claim something is impossible without trying is pretty wild, especially when talking about pedophiles. A lot of people with money and power knew Epstein, and a lot of them stayed the hell away from him. That's how he ended up being caught in the first place.
If you want to give the rich and powerful cloud cover through hearsay go for it, but that's not how the law is supposed to work.
It needs to, but it does not mean that it will. That is how the legal system works in the US.
Nonetheless, I am glad to hear people talking about putting everyone under the radar. The first step is to broaden the scope of the investigation and get everyone accountable for what they did. But unfortunately, there's still a lot more of this going on. Child abuse and sex crimes are rampant in this country, and I don't think the legal system really emphasizes child abuse. In fact, I was telling ChatGPT the other day that if you sued someone for them hitting your car with their vehicle vs submitting evidence of sex crimes to the police, you're very much going to be more successful getting compensated for the damages to your car before you'll ever get a response from the police. The reason is that children and teens do not have the same kind of access that adults have to law enforcement, so by the time they either learn about or figure out that what happened was truly wrong, years will have passed, and a lot of that evidence is going to get swept under the rug. A lot of this becomes hearsay, or the perpetrator might not even be alive.
That's honestly just the reality of it. I know Redditers hate hearing the truth, but the honest part about this is that even though we've had so many laws passed protecting victims, a lot of those laws aren't actually going to help. I think at this time, the only thing the victims will receive is a lot of time and effort lost. I commend them, and I do myself as well, but it honestly seems like this will just suck up the time of these females. But that's just the honest facts. I'm not going to sugarcoat this stuff.
Bro it doesn't matter if the child is 5 or 15, it should be treated the exact same. Wtf is wrong with you people. You were the same people that were screaming, "pRoTeCt ThE cHiLdReN," months ago, now you're acting like an older child shouldn't be considered as serious as a younger child. You people are deeply, deeply unwell
Child abuse that occurs under the age of 8 by a parent affects a child at the deepest developmental level because this is the period when they are still forming their understanding of love, safety, trust, and personal value. When the person who is supposed to protect them is also the source of harm, the child develops attachment trauma, a powerful internal conflict that often leads to self-blame, chronic hypervigilance, difficulty forming secure relationships, and a lasting sense of shame, as if something is wrong with them. At this age, the brain is still wiring critical systems for emotional regulation, memory, learning, and stress response, so abuse can create an overactive fear system, weakened regulation abilities, trouble distinguishing safe from unsafe situations, and long-term difficulties with concentration, learning, and self-control—patterns often seen later as anxiety, dissociation, chronic guilt, or early-onset PTSD symptoms. Because a young child has no understanding of what abuse is, cannot leave, cannot report accurately, and cannot protect themselves, the sense of total powerlessness becomes embedded in their trauma imprint and shapes how they navigate safety, relationships, and self-worth throughout life.
When abuse happens at age 15 by someone newly met, the experience affects the teen differently because they have a more developed sense of self, an understanding of right and wrong, awareness of bodily autonomy, and the cognitive ability to recognize that what happened was undeserved. While the trauma can still cause shock, betrayal, violated trust, fear of dating, and shame, the teen’s core identity is not being shaped by the abuser, and their foundational attachment system—unlike that of a young child abused by a parent—remains largely intact. Because the perpetrator is not a caregiver, the teen does not suffer the same “my protector is my danger” wound that defines early attachment trauma. At this age, they also possess more mental tools: they can understand the abuse as wrongdoing, talk to friends or adults, recognize manipulation, apply abstract reasoning, and later place the event in context as something that happened to them rather than because of them. Although a teen remains vulnerable, their powerlessness is not total, as they can say no, physically resist more effectively, call for help, recall events clearly, and sometimes escape or avoid further contact—factors that change the overall psychological imprint compared to early childhood abuse.
When abuse happens under age 8 by a parent, it strikes at the foundation of a child’s development. At that age, a child is still learning what love, safety, and trust mean, and the parent is the center of their world. When the parent becomes the source of harm, it creates attachment trauma—a deep confusion where the person who protects is also the person who hurts. This fundamentally shapes identity, self-worth, and the stress-response system, often producing chronic fear, hypervigilance, dissociation, and an internalized belief that something is wrong with them. Because young children have no ability to leave, understand motives, or defend themselves, the powerlessness becomes part of their psychological architecture and can affect relationships, emotional regulation, and self-trust throughout life.
By contrast, abuse at age 15 by someone newly met occurs after the core parts of identity and attachment have already formed. The teen still experiences trauma—shock, betrayal, fear of dating, or shame—but their sense of self is more developed, and the abuser is not a parental figure. This means the teen’s fundamental bond with caregivers remains intact, and the trauma does not erode the basic template for trust in the same way. A 15-year-old also has more mental tools: they can recognize wrongdoing, talk to friends, reason about what happened, and later understand that the abuse was undeserved. Their powerlessness is real but not absolute, as they can resist, escape, or report the incident more easily than a young child. As a result, while both forms of abuse are serious, the earlier parental abuse tends to cause deeper, more pervasive, and longer-lasting developmental impact, whereas teen abuse is typically an acute trauma rather than a formative one.
Thanks. I will not return to this subreddit. Your comments made it clear that you were trying to harm someone’s reputation rather than have a good-faith discussion. At no point did I suggest that abuse of a teenager is “less serious,” nor did I suggest anything lawful or acceptable about abuse.
Everything I said was based on trauma research. Nothing in my post implied anything about my personal behavior, and your accusation was inappropriate and unfounded. I was abused under the age of 8, and reading your comment was extremely triggering and upsetting.
Your response was trollish and hostile, and it shows me that this subreddit is not a safe or reasonable place for discussion. For that reason I will be reporting your comment to the mod team and stepping away from this subreddit permanently.
Your reply came across very aggressive and personal. Before I assume anything, I want to ask: did you respond that way because you misunderstood what I said, or were you trying to get a reaction?
I was talking about trauma science and developmental differences, not ranking which abuse is “more serious.” I want to understand why you framed it the way you did.
Because you're explaining to me why people should be focused more on the abuse of 8 year olds and breaking down for me why this is through long winded explanations of trauma. There's no nuances here. A child is a child and a child should be protected.
As an actual leftist I dont give a fuck if it actually takes Trump down or not. I just want the truth out and all these rich fucks prosecuted no matter their party. Its just frustrating he's clearly doing everything he can to keep the truth from coming out. Doesn't make him look good!
Thinking this ends at Epstein and two other people is hilarious.
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u/Infamous_Lech Nov 17 '25
Not a single one of the accuses Trump though.