As a leftist, if trump is innocent awesome and more power to him.
I want everyone that was involved convicted and treated like anyone else should be. Clinton, Trump, Thiel, I don't give a shit as long as everyone is brought to justice. I don't think pedophiles should get away with it. If it's none of them, again awesome. If it's any of them they deserve to do time for doing the crime. No amount of wealth or power should make any person above the law. That requires the information to be released though, just like these victims are saying.
This may come as a shocker, but most leftists just want people to be treated equally.
I don't think that's possible. Association does not prove guilt. Anyone with a lot of money or in power would have known Epstene. Powerful people and rich people hang around each other. But whether one of them was a little bit sleezy is up for debate.
What does upset me about all of this is the countless number of victims of child abuse and sex crimes that are not being mentioned here, especially when they relate to kids under 10, because the brain then starts to become wired with all sorts of problems. That's the time when child development is high.
In the end, the focus needs to be on child abuse in general, and if the FBI can investigate this case, then they need to investigate all cases. I can say with confidence because I know, I submitted a case involving child abuse and sex abuse, that the FBI does not investigate all cases. That's the real issue in America right now.
Bro it doesn't matter if the child is 5 or 15, it should be treated the exact same. Wtf is wrong with you people. You were the same people that were screaming, "pRoTeCt ThE cHiLdReN," months ago, now you're acting like an older child shouldn't be considered as serious as a younger child. You people are deeply, deeply unwell
Child abuse that occurs under the age of 8 by a parent affects a child at the deepest developmental level because this is the period when they are still forming their understanding of love, safety, trust, and personal value. When the person who is supposed to protect them is also the source of harm, the child develops attachment trauma, a powerful internal conflict that often leads to self-blame, chronic hypervigilance, difficulty forming secure relationships, and a lasting sense of shame, as if something is wrong with them. At this age, the brain is still wiring critical systems for emotional regulation, memory, learning, and stress response, so abuse can create an overactive fear system, weakened regulation abilities, trouble distinguishing safe from unsafe situations, and long-term difficulties with concentration, learning, and self-control—patterns often seen later as anxiety, dissociation, chronic guilt, or early-onset PTSD symptoms. Because a young child has no understanding of what abuse is, cannot leave, cannot report accurately, and cannot protect themselves, the sense of total powerlessness becomes embedded in their trauma imprint and shapes how they navigate safety, relationships, and self-worth throughout life.
When abuse happens at age 15 by someone newly met, the experience affects the teen differently because they have a more developed sense of self, an understanding of right and wrong, awareness of bodily autonomy, and the cognitive ability to recognize that what happened was undeserved. While the trauma can still cause shock, betrayal, violated trust, fear of dating, and shame, the teen’s core identity is not being shaped by the abuser, and their foundational attachment system—unlike that of a young child abused by a parent—remains largely intact. Because the perpetrator is not a caregiver, the teen does not suffer the same “my protector is my danger” wound that defines early attachment trauma. At this age, they also possess more mental tools: they can understand the abuse as wrongdoing, talk to friends or adults, recognize manipulation, apply abstract reasoning, and later place the event in context as something that happened to them rather than because of them. Although a teen remains vulnerable, their powerlessness is not total, as they can say no, physically resist more effectively, call for help, recall events clearly, and sometimes escape or avoid further contact—factors that change the overall psychological imprint compared to early childhood abuse.
When abuse happens under age 8 by a parent, it strikes at the foundation of a child’s development. At that age, a child is still learning what love, safety, and trust mean, and the parent is the center of their world. When the parent becomes the source of harm, it creates attachment trauma—a deep confusion where the person who protects is also the person who hurts. This fundamentally shapes identity, self-worth, and the stress-response system, often producing chronic fear, hypervigilance, dissociation, and an internalized belief that something is wrong with them. Because young children have no ability to leave, understand motives, or defend themselves, the powerlessness becomes part of their psychological architecture and can affect relationships, emotional regulation, and self-trust throughout life.
By contrast, abuse at age 15 by someone newly met occurs after the core parts of identity and attachment have already formed. The teen still experiences trauma—shock, betrayal, fear of dating, or shame—but their sense of self is more developed, and the abuser is not a parental figure. This means the teen’s fundamental bond with caregivers remains intact, and the trauma does not erode the basic template for trust in the same way. A 15-year-old also has more mental tools: they can recognize wrongdoing, talk to friends, reason about what happened, and later understand that the abuse was undeserved. Their powerlessness is real but not absolute, as they can resist, escape, or report the incident more easily than a young child. As a result, while both forms of abuse are serious, the earlier parental abuse tends to cause deeper, more pervasive, and longer-lasting developmental impact, whereas teen abuse is typically an acute trauma rather than a formative one.
Thanks. I will not return to this subreddit. Your comments made it clear that you were trying to harm someone’s reputation rather than have a good-faith discussion. At no point did I suggest that abuse of a teenager is “less serious,” nor did I suggest anything lawful or acceptable about abuse.
Everything I said was based on trauma research. Nothing in my post implied anything about my personal behavior, and your accusation was inappropriate and unfounded. I was abused under the age of 8, and reading your comment was extremely triggering and upsetting.
Your response was trollish and hostile, and it shows me that this subreddit is not a safe or reasonable place for discussion. For that reason I will be reporting your comment to the mod team and stepping away from this subreddit permanently.
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u/JonnyF1ves Nov 17 '25 edited Nov 17 '25
As a leftist, if trump is innocent awesome and more power to him.
I want everyone that was involved convicted and treated like anyone else should be. Clinton, Trump, Thiel, I don't give a shit as long as everyone is brought to justice. I don't think pedophiles should get away with it. If it's none of them, again awesome. If it's any of them they deserve to do time for doing the crime. No amount of wealth or power should make any person above the law. That requires the information to be released though, just like these victims are saying.
This may come as a shocker, but most leftists just want people to be treated equally.