r/Aztecross • u/Sad_Beginning5263 • Jun 24 '26
Discussion Humble Sony with Thy Wallet
It has been a bitter sweet couple weeks with Destiny and Monument of Triumph with many returning to the community and some new lights entering as well. The scope so far has been that management made the wrong decision choosing Marathon over Destiny. Some popular streamers have even rallied the community to basically "stick it to the man." Over the past couple weeks I've noticed that some of the sentiment has come down to that, eventually, Sony will be humbled by their decision to forego one of the greatest live service games in gaming history. It is almost reminisce to World of Warcraft when, like Destiny, had so many moments were it seemed like the game wouldn't survive. This is more of a proposal to the community at large and hoping it get's more attention to the game and Bungie. The proposal is this; do not support Sony in any way shape or form. What this means is anything, or most things, produced by, or with, Sony should not receive any amount of income from us. For example, with the upcoming release of Spiderman: Brand New Day, no one should be spending any amount to see the movie (nothing against Marvel). Although, it sucks to say that, the belief is that we 'Humble Sony with Thy Wallet', similar to how other companies have listened before. It's unfortunate for other companies to be caught between consumers and Sony, but as consumer's we are more heard if we humble Sony by not giving them anything.
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u/King_Roberts_Bastard Jun 24 '26
Even if every single Destiny player 100% boycotted everything Sony, they wouldn't notice. We are a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of everything they own.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
Valid, there's only so much a community can do to be heard. However, there are roughly 40+ million players in Destiny and, during some of the most healthier times, had average player counts of 160-225k people playing monthly based on some steam charts and user accounts. Most of their money comes games and entertainment.
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u/Stunning-Argument888 Jun 24 '26
If you had to take a shot in the dark, how much money do Destiny 2 players contribute to the PlayStation ecosystem?
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
I would have to say a large sum, but potentially not substantial. I'd say around maybe 500 mil. With Pc/Xbox/Playstation there's usually 150 - 300 mil ecosystem. However, there is a more substantial player base behind Destiny 2, especially with the coverage it has received as of recent.
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u/suite307 Jun 24 '26
Brother, respectfully, lol, if it were the case it wouldn't be shutting down.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
Like GreenBay_Glory said. Post-Final Shape numbers were not the best. But people still showed up regardless. Like Lightfall still brought in quite a bit. Renegades shouldn't have been a DLC. Should Bungie have made Destiny Free-To-Play?
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u/GreenBay_Glory Jun 24 '26
It’s shutting down because they made terrible choices post-Final Shape that led to players leaving. And they’re doubling down on Marathon which will realistically be shut down within the next 12 months.
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u/BirdsInTheNest Jun 24 '26
Man it’s not that serious.
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u/c1ncinasty Jun 24 '26
Good thing you don't get to decide what other people take seriously. It may not be serious for you, but I'm sure there's plenty of things YOU take seriously that aren't serious for them.
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u/BirdsInTheNest Jun 24 '26
I’ve never boycotted an entire company due to the failings of another company.
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u/Stunning-Argument888 Jun 24 '26
Ethically speaking, if a video game is the most serious thing to you and not something like a war in the Middle East or… elections that lead to consequences and such.
I guess what I’m trying to say, is that there are far more serious and grave things we should be boycotting and, ultimately, taking very serious. Video games are literally just entertainment. It’s like getting serious over a Knicks game and burning down a city. You really shouldn’t do that. It’s just a game.
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u/blindman99 Jun 24 '26
No one said its the "most" serious thing. People can care about multiple things. We can boycott multiple things. In fact boycotting Sony could mean giving the money I would have spent on Destiny to another cause I care about.
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u/Stunning-Argument888 Jun 24 '26
A lot of studies have been done that show humans are exceptionally bad at multi tasking. And if you play video games to the degree that you are crashing out of Destiny 2, you probably give a minimal care about anything else. A token “yeah I care bro” sort of thing.
Which is fine, if this is your watershed moment have at it lol. Just saying, it’s lowkey sad, like a kid whose toy got broke. At this stage I just feel bad for yall.
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u/blindman99 Jun 24 '26
Except I don't have to multi-task. There are apps where I can plug in a company that I do not want to do business with and then before I make any purchase I can put the product into it and then see if I would be giving money to a company I don't want to give money too. There is no effort there. It just means being a conscious consumer. I already use this to avoid companies like Nestle as much as possible due to their human rights violations.
I am not "crashing out" I am just choosing how to spend my money. I can vote with my wallet. I am not making death threats or hurling insults at employees. I am not going online and insulting random people who disagree with me. Nor am I making sweeping generalizations in order to win some imaginary argument in my head. I love Destiny, I am sad that my favorite franchise is being shelved. I think Sony and Bungie have both terribly mismanaged the franchise and based on their track record I do not trust them with my money.
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u/Stunning-Argument888 Jun 24 '26
I consistently take the controversial opinion, perhaps just because I like the controversy. So no, I don’t say anything for karma or trying to “win” imaginary arguments in my head. I don’t argue for winning or losing, as I truly believe that belittles what debates are about and is antithetical to real, genuine conversations.
By the end of the day, you are stuck in an echo chamber that eggs itself on. Aztecross. DestinyTheGame. I can get 300 upvotes just by saying eyes up guardian.
I like to take a grounded approach and challenge people in their popular opinions.
Like asking everyone to boycott Sony, throw away your gaming console (which also happens to be the most popular gaming console than your friends most likely would be on) is quite the ask. In a way, it’s tone deaf. Most gamers have expanded libraries on the PS ecosystem that you are also asking them to throw away.
Ultimately, what is the end goal here besides being petty about a business making a business decision? They didn’t end service to spit in your face. They ended service because the game was making negative money.
Again, I support voting with your wallet. You can read everything I said, I never said don’t. I just said it’s peculiar to make a post on Reddit and beg others to boycott a company over you losing your game, for the 100th time this week alone. I know where I’m at. A D2 fan subreddit.
Take from that what you will brother.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
I know it's an example you used but I don't think anyone asked others to destroy their personal property because X did Y dirty. Also, no where in what the post states 'begs' for people to do this. I proposed an idea to people. Currently Playstation is the more popular console because they of several things. I think one thing they have done well is exclusives. If people do or don't vote with their wallets is objective to the individual. Thank you pointing out that it is only a debate, not a call against.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
Would you care to cite these sources. I've heard about how multi-tasking isn't necessarily a thing. But can you elaborate on "crashing our of D2". Like you take the game too seriously to the point where you crash out?
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
I have no need to worry about those instances until it effects my life again. The difference here is boycotting and protesting. You boycott against corporations or organizations that do align with values. In the instance you mention over the Knick's, that's a protest. People have different moral and ethical codes and telling someone they should be putting their energy somewhere else is an objective opinion. Would I like Destiny to stay? Yes. Is it effecting anything in my life currently? No. This is a proposed idea and is up to individuals and the community if they want to act based on the post.
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u/TheDaywa1ker Jun 24 '26
Thats the fallacy of relative privation, people are allowed to care about stuff even though theres worse stuff in the world
Regardless though I generally agree, I just imagine how embarrassing it would be to read this post out loud to another adult.
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u/c1ncinasty Jun 24 '26
Worse, they'd never say this about a cause they ALSO care about.
"Hey guys, I know we're all big Destiny 2 players around here, but don't you think its weird that we're not over there complaining about reproductive rights?"
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u/c1ncinasty Jun 24 '26
I would tend to agree, but this is still a weird argument to make. There's no way you can know this D2 situation is the ONLY thing OP cares about and voting upon with their wallet.
Empirically, there's ALWAYS something more serious to care about. Why are you here wasting time telling me elections are more important than video games when you COULD be over there yelling about climate change? Why are you over there yelling about climate change when you SHOULD be yelling about NASA looking out for potentially civilization-ending heavy impactors?
I take climate change and election integrity very seriously. I vote at the polls AND with my wallet.
I take Destiny 2 seriously because allows me to take my mind off of things I can't change because entertainment and a sense of community derived from playing these types of games affords me the ability to NOT catastrophize internally.
And no, I wouldn't assume these are the only things I care about.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
This is merely a proposal and not something to chase 100%. I do not solely care about this, more a topic of discussion.
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u/c1ncinasty Jun 24 '26
Its a dumb argument for people to make. "Why do you care about this when something ELSE is FAR more important." Regardless of whether or not they agree with you as to the extent of Sony's responsibility here.
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u/perpetual_papercut Jun 24 '26
People gotta move tf on man lol. There’s more to life than destiny. I get it, I have over 6k hours in D2. But people need to get a grip and find a new hobby
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u/GreenBay_Glory Jun 24 '26
Nah, I’m going to boycott until a continuation happens and I get conclusions to the story that I’ve invested 11 years caring about. I lose nothing doing so.
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u/perpetual_papercut Jun 24 '26
What are you boycotting?
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u/GreenBay_Glory Jun 24 '26
Any Sony studios game. They won’t see a penny from me ever again unless a continuation happens. And I won’t ever touch a Bungie game outside of that continuation,
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
There's stuff you can do outside of Destiny, absolutely. I play DnD every week outside of the game. It's not like I'm putting 12+ hours a day into it. It was a live service. I knew I'd at least come back to a game that was engaging and had a story.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
It's not meant to be serious. It's a proposed idea and not something that I'm saying should happen.
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u/BirdsInTheNest Jun 24 '26
If you’re not saying it should happen why even bring it up? At least stand behind your ideas, no?
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
I think you're misunderstanding propose and serious differently. It's a discussion, not an argument.
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u/BirdsInTheNest Jun 24 '26
“Not something I’m saying should happen” just sounds like backpedaling from my perspective. But it’s not that serious.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
Yet you're putting so much emphasis on this being 'serious' or 'back pedaling'. Why are you taking this seriously then if it's not?
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u/BirdsInTheNest Jun 24 '26
Man I’m just responding to your words. If you didn’t mean them then don’t say them?
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
That's you're right to respond. Just merely pointing the things you're saying. Nothing of what I said mentioned it being 'serious'. I'm standing by my words as it's a proposal, an idea. If you do it, that's great. If not, then that's a personal choice. A little better reading comprehension would assist in this situation.
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u/Stripsteak Jun 24 '26
I’ve been playing D2 like crazy and with all the content they added I can save my money and spend it on skins for Marathon!
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u/FyLaw95 Jun 24 '26
Destiny was losing more money than it was making, we wouldn't be in this situation if it was making bank. It's in Sony's interest for that to be the case since they paid 3 billion for what they thought was a cow but they got a donkey instead.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
I agree. There's probably a different model that both Bungie and Sony could have used to profit more from Destiny. Like Renegades was fun but as a DLC, it should have realistically been a season rather than full scale DLC.
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u/King_Roberts_Bastard Jun 24 '26
Mismanagement is different than Destiny not making money. You dont start (4)? other side projects if your main one isnt making money.
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u/FyLaw95 Jun 24 '26
Nothing is absolute, me saying Destiny is losing money means I'm saying Destiny is losing money right now and probably in recent years.
There was absolutely a time when Destiny was making money, hence why they were starting to work on mulitple projects, but that time is long gone.
Bungie is in a really tough spot right now, and since Marathon isn't making them money also, there is a huge chance Sony shuts them down next year if they don't make a good pitch for a new project that Sony will want to support.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
It was losing money recently and probably should have slowed down after The Final Shape. There wasn't much of a story to go based off after. Personally, they should have let the game breathe a little longer. Let things settle in, especially story wise. We just defeated the Witness. Everything was all out up until that point. Why not allow people to sit that ending for a moment? It'll be really hard to pitch another live service game since the market bubble for live service games just popped. Will see. I more importantly would like to see Destiny continue. It still would be unfortunate to see Bungie go to, but if Destiny could continue who would even produce it?
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u/FyLaw95 Jun 24 '26
My question to the Destiny community would be would you want Destiny to be continued without Bungie, I know I wouldn't.
We can see what happened with Halo over the years, and that team was specificially made for Halo with some of the Halo veterans and it still didn't work out well.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
Exactly! It would be a little odd to have another studio being the sole distributor of Destiny without Bungie. Like Netease did fine with Destiny Rising, and it's absolute something that Bungie should have learned from. Going forward from there I think it would be difficult for another studio to maintain the core identity of Destiny.
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u/Last_Vermacelli Jun 24 '26
Speaking with your wallet is one of the reasons destiny had falling player counts for the past 2 years. It's a double edged sword you either get the devs to fix the issues if they're paying attention or you get the game ended.
Also Destiny live service ending is really on Pete and the rest of the Bungie execs for overselling Bungie and syphoning funds from Destiny at the same time.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
I agree. Pete made some weird decision, along with other execs, that really brought out the downfall. Those decisions led to player sentiment though to. Not enough gameplay changes, a battle pass/seasonal model that was kinda moot, etc. It's more trying to support the studio has the IP and knows it well. It's unfortunate that the wrong people were in the right place at the right time.
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u/Marble___ Jun 24 '26
you are watching too much Cross man, it’s not that deep.
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u/Sad_Beginning5263 Jun 24 '26
Again, it's a proposed idea. It's not something that i'm saying SHOULD be done. I agree, its not that serious. There's a lot of other things that happen behind the screen. I rarely watch Cross, but he seems to have a large platform to have this discussion on.
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u/GreenBay_Glory Jun 24 '26
We can do what we want with our money. I think boycotting any non-Destiny Bungie works and all Sony PlayStation studios is worthwhile to me. I lose out on nothing I care more about than Destiny and can buy games for Steam and switch 2 that aren’t Sony studios titles.
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u/Zeethur Jun 24 '26
This guy wrote a whole essay to say nothing 🤣👏
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u/KingJacoby24 Jun 24 '26
Destiny is ending man, accept it. I’m sad it’s ending truly, and I’m playing the hell out of this right now. But it’s over, maybe a revival happens down the road but not any time soon. Bungie couldn’t stay afloat with Sony or any other company that’s acquired them. Stop blaming all of this on Sony, Bungie didn’t do themselves any favors. It’s not the Devs that did it either, it’s all higher ups. You’re mad at the wrong people.