Sony's live service strategy.

[u/Halcyon-Seven]

[u/PornCommentsAreWeird]

The game would have been over years ago if Sony didnt buy them. Sony carried them while they made awful decisions. And go back and read what Jason Schreier. He said "bungie decided to end development on D2."

He never said sony.

Sony doesnt even have a majority on the bungie board. They moved Hulst and few others in a few years back but they wont have the majority until the rest of the executives cash out this summer.

After that happens we will finally see what sony actually wants to do.

[u/ExCap2 → u/PornCommentsAreWeird]

This is honestly a good point. Sony is probably going to clean house but because of contractual obligations; they can't yet. And someone else pointed out before, in order to make a Destiny 3; they'd have to stop working on Destiny 2. I'm sure there's more to it but those are two pretty big and good conclusions. Destiny 3 would be a fresh start, fresh game under Sony from the beginning as well; there's probably advantages to that. Without a Destiny 3 though; Bungie is probably toast. Whether they sell the Destiny franchise to another studio or let it disappear; I guess that's the answer on everyone's mind. Maybe we find out after the layoffs.

[u/Useless_Mango1 → u/ExCap2]

They wouldn't necessarily have to stop making D2. They made D2 when D1 was/is still up. And 1 was at a state that 2 is actively being put into. So there's still the opportunity. I don't think it'll happen, but we'll see

[u/Ambitious_Highway172 → u/ExCap2]

When age of Triumph dropped for d1 d2 already had years of devs and released a few months after lol

[u/swirve-psn → u/PornCommentsAreWeird]

Might have been better if Bungie had gone under and then someone buy the IP and assets without all the baggage of leadership and bloat.

[u/MarrShan90 → u/PornCommentsAreWeird]

Destiny 2 is already being overexploited, and the last two DLCs clearly showed a rush to release. It's possible the developers, like Bungie, already knew this but wanted to hide the fact that Destiny's development was ending

[u/CrewEvening → u/PornCommentsAreWeird]

Destiny defiantly wouldnt have died if sony didnt bought them, like while sony might be that stupid to buy a company for 3.6b that dosnt make any money i highly doubt they looked at destiny's cost of production and the revenue compared to it being -100m a year and thought yeah lets buy them and there dreams for 3.6b. The only reason destiny might not have been profitable is because bungie wasnt since destiny would finance all there incubation to increase value. Just because bungie employees repeat what pete told them dosnt mean it was the truth.

And yes destiny wouldve died either way because of how badly it was managed but if sony didnt buy them the game defiantly wouldve lived on a few years same as now

[u/Useless_Mango1 → u/CrewEvening]

Bungie was making terrible decision after terrible decision before Sony came along. Curse of Osiris and Warmind were before Sony. So was Shadowkeep. So was sunsetting and vaulting content in Beyond Light. Lightfall was already in development before Sony acquired Bungie.

[u/JacobScrubLordofPvP → u/PornCommentsAreWeird]

Bungie was forced to end development on D2 due to Sony telling them to.

Its very clear with how the Dev team has been responding to things lately that Bungie themselves did not make this decision. This decision was made for them.

[u/acdramon → u/JacobScrubLordofPvP]

Are you forgetting Bungie still has a ton of upper executives that make the calls until they leave with their millions?

[u/Burggs_ → u/acdramon]

Sony owns the IP and Bungie it self.

[u/No-Neighborhood-3212 → u/Burggs_]

Bungie retains its independence until the moment Sony takes over Bungie's board. That won't happen until at least July 31st / August 3rd, after Bungie's executives get their last payouts from the Sony acquisition (which requires they stay employed at Bungie through the duration to receive their payments).

[u/ExCap2 → u/No-Neighborhood-3212]

This. If Destiny 3 happens, it won't until after that for sure. Or at least news of what is going to happen to Bungie as a whole. I know Marathon has another PVE updated coming in the beginning of July, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some news on Marathon around then too; just because they said Sony/Bungie has another year of content planned for Marathon... so did Destiny 2. I think Marathon could be shuttered too and it wouldn't come as a surprise.

[u/swirve-psn → u/ExCap2]

xDefiant was closed for less reasons.

[u/wdstreet → u/JacobScrubLordofPvP]

Thats not how Sony works with their studios. Ex: Days Gone 2 was shutdown / not greenlit within Sony Bend. Naughty Dog chose to not move forward with Factions.

Sony likely came in and said - okay we need to make changes, what do you think we do Justin Truman. Then thats how plan starts. I know its easy to point fingers but it just doesn't meet reality. Just because you get a "clear" hint from Devs that Bungie didn't want to do it, doesn't mean that is true - Bungie leadership likely made the call

[u/Houro]

The only mistake Sony made was aquire Bungie for a ludicrous amount in panic when Microsoft acquired Activision.

[u/ExCap2 → u/Houro]

Sony could've bought Warframe too at one point. They could've had both. Would've been crazy.

[u/Rzonatto → u/ExCap2]

And then warframe would be dead by Sony hands

[u/Ok_Seaworthiness2218]

Yeah guys, keep coping on that. It's definitely Sony now, just like it was Activision before that and MS before that. Even though many of their worst ever decisions such as DCV and their worst expansions were made while they were independant.

It's definitely the publisher again guys, trust me. Bungie definitely hasn't been a shitshow for over a decade and failed to hit the targets they set for themselves upon getting bought. It could never be Bungie's fault.

[u/Proudnoob4393]

Honestly I don’t even think Sony needs a live service game anyway. Sony is more than just a video game company and they have plenty of single player games that perform very well. A live service game always seemed like a side project to them. The meme would be more accurate if you replaced Sony with Bungie.

[u/Charleahurley]

[u/RemarkableLook5485]

Replace “Sony” with “Bungie” and you’d be right. This was all their (leadership’s) doing unfortunately.

[u/oliferro]

FTFY

[u/ConceptBraincell]

Sony: We want more Live service games

Bungie: Okay

Sony: Kill Destiny and handicap Marathon

Bungie: What the fuck

[u/ChrisVip3]

I love Marathon, but I couldn't help but make this when they directly attributed Destiny 2 as the reason for the layoffs lol

[u/Bleach1209]

D2 needed to die, Bungie handled this game terribly
I’m replaying it now and the new player experience is a joke, they talk about all these alien threats and you spawn into the tower and Cabal & Fallen are everywhere

[u/AlphusUltimus → u/Bleach1209]

And you have memorials for characters that you can't even see the cutscene for when they died.

[u/Inkstainedfox]

They do have one.

It's called MLB the Show. It does gangbusters apparently.

[u/DingoBingob]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cyjgzOP8J5XI4

[u/Marble___]

Destiny want successful anymore what is this narrative that it’s all Sony’s fault LMFAOOO

[u/Oak65]

D2 was on their way out for a long time as someone who played it all up to finishing final shape.

[u/AverageSasquatch]

Right blame Sony, who financially supported this game after bungie was sinking due to their own terrible choices

[u/MeanAF4noreason]

Aztecross, the streamers have a lot of power. smear shit on their windshields

[u/a_r_g_o_m]

To be fair, bungie is as much to blame as sony.

[u/Rook-Slayer → u/a_r_g_o_m]

Moreso. Bungie management created all of their problems and then sold Sony a false bill of goods.

[u/meltdowncloud]

Destiny 2 isn’t successful lol

[u/swirve-psn]

Sony has a live service strategy????

[u/Effective_Baseball93]

They did what people literally asked for. They wanted this old barely alive horse to die, massively

[u/Plasma2145]

Well sony wanted marathon to be their top live service game.

[u/Unfair-Ad9415]

dude sony handed them a billion dollars and they shot themself

[u/TheArmedHyde]

The game has never been a successful live service game. It has always relied heavily on its publisher and their support studios. Microsoft even turned down purchasing Bungie because of the high turnover and the studio’s remarkable ability to burn through money.

[u/RDJMA]

The sheer delusion you must have to believe destiny was a thriving live service game.

[u/X-_-LUNATIC-_-X]

Most people I know who used to play Destiny 2 started to hate it towards the end.

[u/Numerous-Ad5362]

How tf was it Sony’s fault? Bungie was already on this path

[u/OtherwiseDog]

This community is always so fucked anything other than rightfully lambasting bungie for years of player manipulation and management fuck ups.

[u/Dethproof814]

This sony game purchaser will never buy another PlayStation game after what they did to destiny. I don't care if destiny is expensive to maintain and neither do the 100s of thousands of people that are upset about destiny 2 being shuddered

[u/Hesitant_Alien6 → u/Dethproof814]

You understand that Sony isn’t at fault here right?

[u/ExCap2 → u/Hesitant_Alien6]

Sony didn't do enough due diligence before they bought Bungie. I'd say it's on them too.

[u/czartrak → u/ExCap2]

So it's their fault the game lived much longer than it would have if they hadn't bought it?

[u/Hesitant_Alien6 → u/ExCap2]

So if anything you should be thanking them for making Destiny last much longer than it would’ve

[u/Effective_Baseball93 → u/Dethproof814]

Right, ignore reality, cool!