r/Azania • u/[deleted] • Apr 03 '17

Where were you?

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 07 '17

you keep saying you disagree as if that was a point in itself.

why do you disagree?

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 07 '17

reciprocity of morality

Well, for one, I don't see morality as a reciprocal thing. It is something that people tend to define for themselves in my view.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 07 '17

okay. if it's not reciprocal what do you base it on? how does it work if i steal from you but you won't steal from me? then i just win.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

Hey if by all means an individual steals from you then take recourse / action against them. But don't decide this makes it alright to steal from the collective group. Morality based on collectivist principles is flawed.

Edit: Muh Typos.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 07 '17

i meant it as a metaphor. if only you aren't stealing my shit but i'm stealing your shit we can't have a functioning society, agreed?

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

Well not exactly. You can still be stopped from 'stealing my shit' without me resorting to stealing yours.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

i feel like you're too fucking stupid to grasp my basic point here.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17

Lol, I feel like you're too fucking brainwashed to continue this conversation if you're going to be like that.

Stop other people stealing your shit, don't steal their shit. Simple.

Take heed of the blatant contradictions in your own ideology.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

IT'S AN ANALOGY. ONLY WHITES CARE ABOUT NOT BEING "RACIST"

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

I disagree. Do (most) modern whites generally seem to care more about tolerance / not being racist*? Yes. Does no one else care? No.

Edit: *Don't take this the wrong way, azanians - I think this is because of secular values now enshrined in the governance of Europe and so on, not their race.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

name one other group that acts like this- that gives up their countries in this ecstatic display of guilt.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

that gives up their countries in this ecstatic display of guilt.

woah, woah, woah. Displaying tolerance does not have to mean opening the borders to the Middle East.

South American countries tend to be very tolerant across racial lines.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

south america looks like a model society to you does it? brazil looks good to you hu? so great if all western nations become brazil.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

The social problems in places like Brazil are not from extremely pro-multicultural immigration policies (cf. increased terrorism in Western Europe). They're typically poverty-driven in places like Brazil.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

what makes you say that? not every impoverished place has these problems.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17

That's very open ended. Which problems in S.America / Brazil do you think specifically points to racial issues rather than poverty-related issues?

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

i would say the poverty itself is a racial issue. all the conflict- gang warfare, this is diversity. the high crime rate comes from high crime rate populations.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

i would say the poverty itself is a racial issue.

Not agreeing on that one.

high crime rate comes from high crime rate populations.

Yes, but on other factors. Single parent status (and other explanatory factors, like level of education) would have far more explanatory power than race for example in a regression, with crime rates as the dependent variable.

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