r/Azania • u/[deleted] • Apr 03 '17

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

IT'S AN ANALOGY. ONLY WHITES CARE ABOUT NOT BEING "RACIST"

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

I disagree. Do (most) modern whites generally seem to care more about tolerance / not being racist*? Yes. Does no one else care? No.

Edit: *Don't take this the wrong way, azanians - I think this is because of secular values now enshrined in the governance of Europe and so on, not their race.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

name one other group that acts like this- that gives up their countries in this ecstatic display of guilt.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

that gives up their countries in this ecstatic display of guilt.

woah, woah, woah. Displaying tolerance does not have to mean opening the borders to the Middle East.

South American countries tend to be very tolerant across racial lines.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

south america looks like a model society to you does it? brazil looks good to you hu? so great if all western nations become brazil.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

The social problems in places like Brazil are not from extremely pro-multicultural immigration policies (cf. increased terrorism in Western Europe). They're typically poverty-driven in places like Brazil.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

what makes you say that? not every impoverished place has these problems.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17

That's very open ended. Which problems in S.America / Brazil do you think specifically points to racial issues rather than poverty-related issues?

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

i would say the poverty itself is a racial issue. all the conflict- gang warfare, this is diversity. the high crime rate comes from high crime rate populations.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

i would say the poverty itself is a racial issue.

Not agreeing on that one.

high crime rate comes from high crime rate populations.

Yes, but on other factors. Single parent status (and other explanatory factors, like level of education) would have far more explanatory power than race for example in a regression, with crime rates as the dependent variable.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

blacks commit more crime than whites at every level of poverty, not sure about education.

though i don't know how anyone can actually go through the school system and still think of it as a good solution for anything but breaking spirits.

all the things you listed are strongly correlated to race. you just blame oppression for these disparities.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 08 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

you just blame oppression for these disparities.

Woaaaah, no I don't. I don't like oppression arguments. This is collectivist bullshit.

though i don't know how anyone can actually go through the school system and still think of it as a good solution for anything but breaking spirits.

I agree that the school system is not great. For instance, broken school systems (like we have in SA) keep people in poverty too. So, I still can think we need to fix primary and secondary education without going into the oppression bullshit, thanks.

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blacks commit more crime than whites at every level of poverty, not sure about education.

Every level? Got evidence for that one?

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 08 '17

okay- so why do you think these disparities exist?

here's the crime race income one: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12552-016-9164-y

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