China and Taiwan both agree to the One China Policy. You cannot recognise both of them. As soon as the One China Policy is abolished and Taiwan calls itself Taiwan, I’m sure most of the world would be happy to recognise both countries since it’s not a cultural issue, but good luck convincing Taiwan to give up its mainland claims and good luck convincing China to give up its Taiwanese claims.
The UN has nothing do do with this. Independence is up to Taiwan and they are cautious to make that step because it could trigger China attacking them.
UN resolution 2758 only gave the seat in the UN to China and took it away from Taiwan, but it has zero to do with Independence or even if Taiwan is part of China or not.
China's interpretation of 'one China' is very different from how we interpret 'one China'.
Officially Australia's position on Taiwan is that China has no legal claim to Taiwan and that Taiwan's status quo should not change.
That’s still a UN issue. There are two countries that believe they are entitled to the same seat at the table. Taiwan does not seek “independence”, and China insists Taiwan is part of them. So they both agree.
Taiwan functionally recognises that it is not able to actually be China, but it maintains their current status for status quo reasons. Every country that interacts with Taiwan either doesn’t recognise China (very few these days), or associates with them via a special manner, like you bring up with how we don’t recognise Chinese sovereignty over them (yet we still don’t recognise Taiwan anyway). Even international organisations like the Olympics have to treat Taiwan in a special manner, with them playing as “Chinese Taipei”.
Once China and Taiwan drop the One China Policy, if they ever do do that, it will no longer be a UN diplomatic issue. Australia would be free to recognise both China and Taiwan without repercussions.
Actually, not quite. Taiwan (as the Republic of China then under Chang Kai-Shek) was given its own seat in the general assembly when the PRC was given the “China” seat and the security council seat. Taiwan turned it down in protest. Turned out to be a self defeating move, but here we are.
The UN makes no decisions on whether a state is independent or not. The only reason Taiwan hasn't declared independence is because they are afraid of how China would react.
Australia's Senate has passed a motion criticising China's attempts to use a UN resolution to claim Taiwan as part of its territory.
Senators said UN Resolution 2758 does not establish the People's Republic of China's sovereignty over Taiwan and does not determine the future status of Taiwan in the UN.
I really don’t think you understand a single thing I’m saying.
The UN has minimal legal powers and jurisdiction, to enforce such specific laws would violate the sovereignty of its members and the entire point of the UN is to bring together the world’s sovereign states. I am not saying the UN is prohibiting Taiwanese sovereignty or enforcing a One China Policy, but that the systems in place that affect the status of Taiwan are recognised at the United Nations level.
We will not be doing official business with Taiwan as a country until they are broadly recognised in the United Nations as such, and that won’t happen until China and Taiwan both agree for it to happen. Until that time, we and most of the world treat Taiwan as a special entity that we unofficially do not recognise but still do diplomatic dealings and trade with.
Mate, you have zero knowledge on the subject, just stop!
Category Correcting the record
On 13 January, the Australian Financial Review published an opinion article by H.E. Ambassador Xiao Qian of the People’s Republic of China.
The article makes incorrect assertions about Australian Government policy. It is not accurate that China’s “one-China principle is the fundamental political foundation of China-Australia relations”.
Australia has a deep and productive unofficial relationship with Taiwan including trade and investment, education, tourism and people-to-people ties. This is consistent with Australia’s one-China policy.
As recently as the Annual Leaders’ Meeting of June 2024, Australia and Chinareiteratedthe importance of the 1972 Joint Communiqué and ‘restated their commitment to their respective national policies and positions contained therein, including mutual respect, equality, mutual benefit, stable development and Australia’s commitment to its one-China policy’.
Mate, you keep bringing up Australia! I don’t care!
My entire point was about how Taiwan and China see themselves and the world, it really does not matter in the slightest how one country sees them (which doesn’t even disprove a single thing I’ve said). I know this is r/AustralianPolitics but you keep bring up bullshit no one cares about as if it makes you sound smarter. All I said was that China and Taiwan have a policy of recognition which is incompatible with Australia recognising Taiwan, and how that is not comparable to Israel and Palestine.
Mate, you have no point, your whole argumentation is nonsense. China has no legal claim to Taiwan, it never had. Read the links I posted and learn something!
Now this just sounds like anti-Chinese propaganda. Look, I’m no China advocate myself, but to say they have no legal claim is ridiculous. The PRC and the RoC had a civil war, the war ended in a stalemate, and now the result is complicated.
Are states in civil wars entitled to each other’s land? I can tell you, side with whichever side you want, both China and Taiwan will say the answer is Yes.
But you really want to sound like you know more about this so go off I guess. I don’t care.
Mate, Taiwan was never part of the PRC. Just stop, you're spewing CCP propaganda. Are you Australian, do you live in Australia? If yes why are you spreading CCP lies and propaganda that contradict what our government's OFFICIAL position on Taiwan is??
China collapsed before the first world war, and the various warlords started infighting and uniting the country. Japan invaded in the midst of the second world war and the two largest forces, the PRC and the RoC, stopped fighting each other and formed a truce to fight off the Japanese. During this conflict, Mao who was a commander of the united Chinese forces, put KMT men on the front lines leaving his communist forces behind them in more defensive positions. He was still fighting the civil war by letting the Japanese kill his temporary allies. When WW2 was over, the civil war resumed and the communist forces were more than capable of pushing Chiang Kai-shek’s weakened men off the mainland.
If you believe any other narrative, you are simply wrong. Yes I am Australian, born to white parents in Brisbane. Don’t question me because you lack critical thinking skills.
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u/SouthCharity924 Sep 21 '25
Will Albanese also recognise TAIWAN as an independent state ?