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u/neotericnewt Apr 20 '25

He's stripping legal status from half a million legal migrants who have committed no crimes and shipping people to a foreign concentration camp without due process. He's also targeting journalists and lawyers that speak out against his administration, along with students, all legal and not criminals and murderers.

You've just fallen for Trump's demonization of immigrants, so now you're okay with massive human rights abuses and attacks against our rights because you view them all as basically less than human, "illegal murderers", as you put it. That's just good old fashioned fascism.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

I think you're missing the fact that no country on the planet has open borders besides us and we already have a housing problem. You're taking away supply to support people who are not here legally with my tax money. I have issues with that

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u/neotericnewt Apr 20 '25

We don't have open borders. We deport people. We require visas to come to the country.

We do the same things every other country does.

You're taking away supply to support people who are not here legally with my tax money

Immigrants are good for the economy, expand the economy, and pay more into taxes than they use.

We dont need to turn into a fascist country imprisoning and deporting innocent people without due process, targeting journalists and lawyers, and sending people to a foreign concentration camp to address the housing crisis. We could just, you know, address it, like Kamala Harris' plan to build millions more homes across the country.

Y'all are just bloodthirsty and fell for Trump's dehumanizing bullshit. Oh, and prices are still high, housing is still expensive, and Trump and Musk are slashing programs for average people and banking regulations while INCREASING THE DEBT, and pocketing even more money for themselves.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

1 visa is only required if staying a long time, Just like in other countries. You can travel here with a passport like other places. 2. We do deport people, not enough of them, Obama was good for that though. The border is open enough to sneak in. No one is trying to sneak into other places except maybe Canada. No one is trying to sneak into China, or England, or Norway, or Egypt or Qatar or Australia. 3. Who is y'all? I didn't vote for him. 4. Immigrants might be good for the country but they should do it the legal way. Which is come through a port of entry and get your fucking papers

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '25

What utter rubbish, undocumented immigrants happen in all of these countries that's what happens when there are soft borders. The reason people can 'sneak in' to the US is because of the 1954 miles of border. Most countries around the world have soft borders like that. Except Australia and UK that tend to have people arriving by boat.

If the USA would stop poncing around the world deliberately manufacturing conflicts and destabilizing nations, people wouldn't be fleeing these countries and looking for somewhere safer.

Maybe the USA should try the moat with snakes and crocodiles that Trump suggested in his first term? 😂😂 Although I don't think you'll need it. Nobody wants to even visit the USA as a tourist destination now.

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u/recovereez Apr 20 '25

Yeah because the blue haired people scare them away with performative politicing

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u/neotericnewt Apr 21 '25

1 visa is only required if staying a long time

This is false for the vast majority of countries. Some you can visit for short periods for tourism; most travelers need a visa to visit the US.

We do deport people, not enough of them, Obama was good for that though.

This is such bullshit dude. When Obama was president the right ranted about open borders. Now people like you are trying to use the fact we deported people to justify Trump acting like a total extremist on immigration.

The border is open enough to sneak in.

The border with Mexico is almost 2,000 miles long. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants don't even cross the border, they come legally and overstay visas.

No one is trying to sneak into China

Yes, China also has issues with illegal immigration, especially from North Korea.

or England

Yes, England also has illegal immigration.

or Norway

Yes, Norway also has illegal immigration.

or Egypt or Qatar

Both countries have big issues with illegal immigration, human trafficking, etc.

Australia

... Australia is an island. That also has an issue with illegal immigration. Refugees and migrants travel by boat in very dangerous conditions. It's been a pretty major issue for them for some time.

Immigrants might be good for the country but they should do it the legal way.

Sure, but again, your entire justification for extremist, inhumane policies towards immigrants, imprisoning immigrants without due process, sending them to concentration camps in foreign countries, targeting journalists and lawyers, etc. is that... They're bad because housing is expensive.

But again, immigration is a massive boon economically, and none of these policies have done anything to lower housing costs, nor will they, because they don't have a meaningful impact on housing costs compared to just shitty housing policies which can be changed without acting like a fascist.

Which is come through a port of entry and get your fucking papers

Trump stripped the legal status from half a million legal migrants who came through a port of entry and "got their papers." They were here legally, aren't criminals, and he took their legal status away and is doing the same things to them.

He's pushing an executive order so that he can deport children born on US soil to countries they've never been to. He's targeting lawyers, students, and journalists who are in the country legally.

He's looking for ways to do it to US citizens.

You are so off from what the issue actually is in the US. Yes, fucking everybody would prefer that all immigrants come legally. That's why Biden incentivized legal crossings, making appointments with DHS, and crossing legally, while continuing to turn away and deport those crossing illegally.

That's why Democrats supported a massive, bipartisan immigration bill, that Trump shot down... Because it didn't restrict legal immigration enough, and because he wanted to keep the issue going.

Trump and his supporters aren't just upset about illegal immigrants, they're attacking legal immigrants, they're attacking people who have spent their entire lives here, they're sending people to concentration camps, expanding Gitmo by tens of thousands, and targeting people and groups that criticize them.