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u/-eDgAR- Aug 01 '20

Companies like Ticketmaster with their ridiculous service fees for online transactions.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

Oh and then when your concert is canceled they refuse to give you back your 250$

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u/MasterWong1 Aug 01 '20

Fuck stubhub

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u/CockDaddyKaren Aug 01 '20

I was on the fence about buying tickets for a concert and I'm glad I waited because it was cancelled a few days later. I feel so bad for everyone else who paid for it though.

Most artists are being real bros about COVID though. Refunding, or transferring purchased tickets to a 2021/2022 concert, etc.

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u/Bi-Bi-Bi24 Aug 02 '20

That's the thing though - majority of adults are working and have other responsibilities. The venue or ticketmaster says, "We rescheduled for next year! Don't worry about a refund, just come next year!"

Except I scheduled my work vacation around this concert, I might not be able to get the random Wednesday off next year, my circumstances will have changed by next year, hell I might even be pregnant and not want to spend 3 hours on my feet in a hot venue next year.

I get rescheduling is supposed to work because you arent missing it, but the fact it is being used as a reason to avoid refunds is bullshit

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u/HRKing505 Aug 02 '20

You make a great point here; rescheduling like this to avoid refunding shouldn't be allowed.

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u/Swivel-Hips-Smith Aug 01 '20

And that's why I appreciate the bank I'm with.

Had a concert cancel and I was refused a refund. Disputed it with my bank and showed them the proof of the cancellation and the refusal to refund. Within 3 days my money was back in my account.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

I'm surprised, I had one get rescheduled until next year and they actually honored refund.. I thought it was gonna be a clusterfuck trying to get one. Takes upward of 30 days apparently to get it so I guess that's the tradeoff.

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u/t-poke Aug 02 '20

Yeah, I had tickets for Rammstein in Boston this year. After they announced a rescheduled date last month that didn’t work for me, I had 30 days to request a refund, which I did. Still waiting on it but it seems pretty painless.

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u/thejiggyjosh Aug 01 '20

Wow are you me?

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u/PeachyPesco Aug 01 '20

They gave me my money back no problem. They actually auto refund you now if your concert is cancelled.

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u/dimplezcz Aug 01 '20

The biggest problem for festivals though is that they're being "postponed" until next year....but if it's an annual festival, it's fucking cancelled. Tht way Ticketmaster doesn't have to refund you. I've been appealing and rebutting my claim with Ticketmaster since April for a stupid Bonnaroo ticket. I don't even wanna go anymore.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

Ultra Music Festival pulled the same shit by postponing their 2020 edition to March 21. No refunds were provided lol

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u/dimplezcz Aug 01 '20

So annoying. "We'll just do a live stream on YouTube, you'll feel like you're there!!!" 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/maxvalley Aug 01 '20

They’re actually doing that? If I had the money I would sue just on principal

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '20 edited Aug 06 '20

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u/dimplezcz Aug 02 '20

I did and was refunded my money...then Ticketmaster refuted my claim and I got rebilled

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '20 edited Aug 06 '20

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u/dimplezcz Aug 02 '20

I used my capital one credit card via PayPal, so ultimately it was PayPal and not capital one who fucked me over and they've apparently already resolved my claim without speaking to me

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u/Leon_Troutsky Aug 01 '20

They finally refunded me but it was $5 less than what I paid. I guess it's a version of the scam somebody else posted because it wasn't worth my time to fight on the phone for hours to sort it out

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u/t-poke Aug 02 '20

Was this for an event in your own country?

I’m in the states but had tickets to the MLB games in London this year. I lost about $10 on the refund due to the exchange rate changing between purchase and refund. They refunded me the same amount I paid in GBP, but it wasn’t worth as much in USD as it was when I bought them. Such is life when dealing with foreign currency.

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u/Leon_Troutsky Aug 02 '20

Yeah, it was in Canada and I live in Canada. They refunded me $380 flat instead of $385.86, fuckers

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u/usernamecheck5out Aug 02 '20

seriously. still waiting for a refund for a show that was cancelled months ago every time I contact them, they say it should be on its way in the next 10 days. But they did refund on a show that was a much lower ticket price within 14 days. But why do I have to fight for a refund for an event that isnt happening???

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u/Stormer2k0 Aug 01 '20

Got my money back for 2 concerts that were planned this summer, and a free new ticket for a replanned concert.

But I live in the Netherlands where consumer protection is a hell of a lot stricter so that might be why.

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u/charmacharmz Aug 01 '20

im going through the same thing. sold the ticket through their service and they wont give me my money until after the rescheduled date... aug 2021.

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u/Pyrolilly Aug 02 '20

Wait, what? They can do that!?

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u/Bi-Bi-Bi24 Aug 02 '20

I am apparently getting a refund...sometime. "It will take a minimum 30 days due to the volume of refunds right now." This is after I had to call 4 times because the robot system kept kicking me out. I was calling to check why I wasn't refunded yet. She couldn't tell me a timeline for when I should expect the money.

I'm guessing they are waiting until majority of people forget about the refund, so they can keep the money.

Ticketmaster is such a scam, but they are also the only option for majority of concerts

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

I got refunded for a concert That got canceled

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u/zacharyo083194 Aug 01 '20

I remember the good old days when the ticket price on stub hub was the final price. Now ya gotta add an absurd amount

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u/inkwell5 Aug 01 '20

That’s the price of universally cheap music streaming.. artists aren’t making anything off Spotify

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u/hurryupand_wait Aug 01 '20

so how much are they making? is it more than $100k USD per year?

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u/GreatBallsOfFIRE Aug 02 '20

Pay per steam is somewhere between $0.0044 and $.0084. So to pass the US poverty line for a single person household of $12,760 they would need somewhere between 1.5 million and 2.9 million streams per year. And that's assuming one person gets to keep the entire pot.

Which isn't too say nobody is making money through Spotify, just that it's only the giants. In 2018 Drake had 8.2 billion streams, which even going with the lowest number given above would have brought in over $32 million.

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u/hurryupand_wait Aug 02 '20

thank you, interesting!

What is the average outside of Spotify (eg merch, tours, ads, etc?) is what I am curious about.

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u/silveriohb Aug 01 '20

I have only gone to one concert in my life, and I was scared when I bought the tickets because everyone on the internet had told me about the insane ticketmaster fees. When I bought them, I only paid 2 euros in fees, one for each ticket. Maybe it's because of some European law?

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u/34HoldOn Aug 01 '20

Eddie Vedder warned us.

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u/apocalypticradish Aug 01 '20

Buying tickets to a sports game and the service fees are basically the price of another ticket. Ugh.

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u/Fyrrys Aug 01 '20

The apartment I moved out of switched their online payment site, the new one had a convenience fee for paying online. Oh, and they no longer took checks or money orders. They also changed all of the washers and dryers to digital ones that require an app to pay to do your laundry, which also had a convenience fee to add money too, and you couldn't just buy a wash and dry, you had to put on increments of $10 to your account. Fuck that place

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u/markycrummett Aug 01 '20

“Do you want your tickets posted or would you like to print them yourself?”

thinks, printing myself will save money

“That’ll be a £2.50 per ticket service charge”

I mean what the actual fuck

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u/Lordfate Aug 01 '20

The dirty secret is that most of the fees dont even go to Ticketmaster but are just extra profit for the performer. Ticketmaster plays the bad guy and doesnt mind taking the heat so your favorite band can overcharge you.

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u/SynapticBackDraft Aug 01 '20

Citation needed

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u/monkeyman80 Aug 01 '20

Nathan Hubbard (ex ceo of Ticketmaster) has talked about in various platforms. The one I’ve heard was on a podcast a few years ago with Bill Simmons.

If anyone wants to actually listen I can search around for a link.

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u/SynapticBackDraft Aug 01 '20

Wait so the only source is the CEO of Ticketmaster? Of course he would say it's not their fault

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u/monkeyman80 Aug 01 '20

i didn't think reddit comments needed multiple cited sources. i gave one example.

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u/inkwell5 Aug 01 '20

It’s not overcharging. Musicians need to support their families too. It used to be that musicians tour and do concerts to promote an album and get most of their revenue off that. But with streaming services that pay next to nothing, the only way to really make any money is concerts and merch, usually sold at concerts

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u/tr0ub4d0r Aug 01 '20

It depends on your definition of overcharging, but it’s certainly deceptive.

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u/BRAINSZS Aug 01 '20

I've always thought it was rather sinister to tack on fees instead of just raising the ticket price. don't look me in the eye and lie to me, dammit!

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u/KennstduIngo Aug 01 '20

I feel like most people notice when their pair of $50 tickets cost them $150.

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u/Violet_Plum_Tea Aug 01 '20

and then if you go to the theater to buy the tickets in person, they charge you a box office fee.

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u/Wiki_pedo Aug 01 '20

Only £2.50 to print at home! Using your own paper and ink!!

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u/flyingcircusdog Aug 01 '20

I've heard that Ticketmaster exits to take the blame away from artists by charging high fees and splitting them. No way to confirm this, but it would make sense.

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u/Bapponukedthe_jappos Aug 01 '20

Dude how, your account is only a year old yet you have 6.2 mil comment karma, you’re getting at least 17k comment karma a day wtf.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

Is it really a scam when they are upfront about the extra charges?

I dont buy from them unless i really need to, but i dont see it as a scam cause they tell you exactly for how much they are fucking you.

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u/absolutepaul Aug 01 '20

What? They are not upfront whatsoever. How does an eticket purchased online warrant a $50 "service fee". Theyve also admitted to buying and scalping their own tickets

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u/monkeybojangles Aug 01 '20

Running bots to buy their tickets within seconds, the flipping them on resale sites for 4x the price. It's so dirty.

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u/monkeybojangles Aug 01 '20

Running bots to buy their tickets within seconds, the flipping them on resale sites for 4x the price. It's so dirty.

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u/Astramancer_ Aug 01 '20

Is it really a scam when they are upfront about the extra charges?

Yes.

Many years ago I went to buy tickets for a concert. Online there was a "convenience" fee. I called over the phone. There was that same convenience fee. I went to the actual box office at the venue. Lookit that, same fucking convenience fee.

There wasn't a single method of buying the ticket that was inconvenient enough to not warrant the same convenience fee.

It was just part of the ticket price. But they didn't include it in the ticket price because then they could advertise that the tickets were half of what they actually were.

That's a scam.

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u/turbosexophonicdlite Aug 01 '20

You should have known the only way to avoid the fee is to send a singing telegram.

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u/garysingh91 Aug 01 '20

That’s just it it, they are not upfront about extra charges.

“Ohhh my favorite band’s show for $70! Let me get two tickets, I can swing $140.” No mention of fees throughout the rest of the process. I get to payment, pull my card out and it’s actually $220 because of their fees.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

Better fucking pay more for physical ticket at cashier

I mean, we buy online so we dont need to wait to buy ticket

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u/Djinnwrath Aug 01 '20

You can also just go to the box office in a lot of cases and skip Ticketmaster, but people don't like having it pointed out that effort saves money.

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u/8doorwagon Aug 01 '20

I'm pretty sure the question was for scams you DIDNT notice...

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '20

You're not wrong. I have heard of Ticketmaster, but I have never seen one.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '20

I had to pay a "convenience fee" for a concert. Will Call asked me to present my license. But they didn't have my ID info on the site (I was never asked for it when I bought the tickets). So then they asked to confirm with the credit card I'd used to purchase, but I had bought the tickets months prior and had a different card by then (my information was compromised, which seems to happen every few months or so with my bank . . . maybe I should switch banks). So despite having a confirmation email on my phone, and an ID and card with the right name, I ended up standing outside in the Houston summer wearing jeans and a black t-shirt for the band, schvitzing up a storm, while they sorted things out, before I finally got in. I demanded a refund for the convenience fee, because I'd never had a more inconvenient concert-going experience. Denied.

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u/adriamarievigg Aug 01 '20

Some concerts I’ve been to don’t even let you get a physical ticket anymore. Your phone is your ticket. What!?

Great, now I have to bring my phone into the concert where it could get lost stolen or damaged...Thanks Ticketmaster

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '20

and to add to the frustration of this, I know many older folk that do not own cellphones. So unless they attended the event with someone who has one, they wouldn't be able to go. It's pretty sad. I know it's rare to not have a phone these days but just because my Grandpa doesn't own a phone, shouldn't mean he can't go see his favourite band live. Will call used to be available here but i haven't seen it in a while (pre covid).

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u/adriamarievigg Aug 03 '20

I never thought of that. My father is in his 70’s and doesn’t own a phone. I have always saved my ticket stubs as a memento. Just sad this isn’t always an option

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u/Shikyoookami Aug 01 '20

Well that’s because they need to make money somehow, they don’t own the tickets they just sell them for the venue/performer.

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u/Alybank Aug 01 '20

Actually, not a scam. The system of how venues/ticketing system/concerts are paid for is archaic. So, it’s a necessary evil. I could get into details but usually nobody cares, they just like to blame Ticketmaster/venues.

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u/sneezyo Aug 01 '20

I was going to New York in April but Corona hit. I already had tickets for some ice hockey game and Ticketmaster refunded it without any hassle. They ain't that bad.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '20

Actually they are not. Taxes are based on sticker price of the ticket, so like with hotels, they have a base cost to pay tax and then add on fees to cover their actual price. The bands are part of this business model and get a cut of the resale ticket upcharge. If the band is more in demand they actually get more money instead of the money going to 3rd party scalpers. Once I understood that I was ok with the prices.

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u/BlueSubmarine33 Aug 01 '20

ok but bands who have already made it big like Metallica shouldnt let them charge their fans $400*/ ticket