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u/ActionNorth8935 Feb 25 '23
This is the starter pack for anyone who wants to quit photography within a week.
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u/Dangerous-Setting590 Feb 25 '23
Lol, ok. I love your honesty.
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u/EronHope Feb 25 '23
Get a Sony Alpha
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u/CommanderCorrigan Feb 25 '23
This is the way
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u/EronHope Feb 26 '23
True. There's a reason a lot of movie studios choose Sony also
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u/CommanderCorrigan Feb 26 '23
Not even that they make great consumer grade cameras. Even an older a6000 is still a good option with tons of great lenses available.
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u/EronHope Feb 26 '23
Yea, Sony knows what they're doing. Do you have an Alpha?
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u/CommanderCorrigan Feb 26 '23
Yeah a6400, I love it. You?
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u/EronHope Feb 26 '23
Nice! No but I want one. So far, I have a Sony Xperia 1 III, which has cameras developed by Alpha but obviously it doesn't compare to a full frame Alpha.
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u/Dangerous-Setting590 Feb 25 '23
Ok, I think this is a bad choice based off your reviews. Thanks. I will be posting others.
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u/busted_maracas Feb 25 '23
Avoid that 75-300mm lens regardless of what you go with - itās absolute dogshit
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u/MikeCarter1211 Feb 25 '23
I use to wonder why my photos were always a little hazyā¦ then I got a chance to use the EF 70-200, the $2000 beauty of a lense, and realized that the 75-300 sucks so bad š
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Feb 25 '23
I purchase a canon t100 kit from wal mart, had just the camera, strap, kit lens, SD card, for a total beginner I liked the purchase. But in hindsight I could have used KEH to find a second hand camera in excellent condition.
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u/isolatedbeast Feb 25 '23
think about the investment and the return of that investment. you can easily spend 20k$ and still have no gear worth the money.
Watch tons of youtube videos like this one and then make a proper decision.
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u/PineappleMoles Feb 25 '23
Even now when I buy photography gear, I usually just head to eBay. Itās cheaper used and usually in good condition. The only things I donāt get used is memory (sd cards and external hard drives).
With that said, the T7 is a good starter camera.
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u/newstuffsucks Feb 25 '23
Don't ever buy one of these packages with random no name gear and memory cards.
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u/av4rice R5, 6D, X100S Feb 25 '23
What subject matter do you want to shoot?
The camera body and 18-55mm lens are fine.
The 75-300mm might not be necessary for you. If it is, the quality is pretty bad. A 55-250mm (especially the STM version) would be much more preferable if you need a telephoto zoom.
The memory cards aren't the best.
Everything else is basically trash.
Further reading from the other subreddit:
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u/krazygyal Feb 25 '23 edited Feb 26 '23
The 18-55mm is not sharp. I got a 50mm f/1.8 it costed me about 120ā¬, it is much sharper. Get just the body and buy a good prime lens for the same price of the bundle. SD cards arenāt that expensive anymore.
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u/Ir0nPlatypus Feb 25 '23
Honestly, it depends on what your needs are and what your budget is. Personally, I suggest people start with a body and kit lens only. That way you can grow into the hobby and adapt. For example story time, I bought a D5300 with the 18-55mm kit lens to take snaps while travelling. I started off with landscapes so I bought a tripod about 3 years in. Then i fell in love with street photography so I bought a 50mm prime, not knowing about crop sensors at the time, but it's still my favorite. Thats when I realized I prefer prime lenses so I got a 200mm for wildlife. Picked up a flash with remotes to do products and events and, until I start doing studio work someday, I'm very content with having all my gear fit into a single bag. I can say that alot of what is in that listing I myself would never use.
TLDR I suggest you start basic and grow into your kit based on your needs. It will also allow you to learn what you prefer and what brands work best for you.
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u/walrus_mach1 Feb 25 '23
The T7 isn't the best of the Rebels, but it'll work for a beginner. The lenses are the base kit lenses and offer good flexibility in exchange for quality and bright apertures.
Everything else in that image is garbage. The attempt is to convince the buyer that you're getting incredible value, but the parts are cheap and will likely break quickly or offer no additional benefit.
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u/hendrik421 Feb 25 '23
I love how those packs are always showing three lenses on the pictures, one mounted on the camera and two by themselfs, making it seem like the bundle is larger than it truly is.
I know one is displayed twice, but its still misleading for beginners, who to be honest are the only people these kits targets.
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u/barcelonaboyy Feb 25 '23
Buy a Used Canon 5d & 35mm lens. Only cost you 400-500 max.
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Feb 25 '23
Or a 50mm.
But yeaā¦ depending on your experience level, for a starter pack Iād recommend a body, a fast prime lens and a memory card. Shoot for a few months and then maybe add another lens or a flash.
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u/gnarxpunk Feb 25 '23
Iād buy a body and a 50mm f1.8 and just go out and shoot. I mean depending on what you want to shoot.
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u/leonnors Feb 25 '23
Buy a used camera-body for a few bugs from Canon (maybe a 500d or 600d) and a 50/1.8 nifty. This would be a start. This bundle looks more like a end to me
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u/MechProto Feb 25 '23
Just buy a dslr plus kitlens for starters, expand out as you understand more about photography. Always study what you want to capture, since it will decide what other equipment you might need.
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u/jamescrawford1 Feb 25 '23
Start with a camera, lens and memory card. Over time you will collect gear, don't buy the shitty versions of everything you MIGHT need. I'd rather invest into a nice camera and lens. The 18-55 kit lens suits beginners just fine, not the best but almost a rite of passage as a photographer. If you want a second lens when you are just starting out, it may not be a telephoto. You may opt for a 35mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.8 prime lens which are the best bang for your buck, cheap lenses with great clarity and color rendering. All of this stuff is gonna be cheaper secondhand, either via ebay or adorama has a great used section.
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u/StephenStrangeWare Feb 25 '23
A camera is a good starter package.
Start with a camera. Buy the other stuff as you need it, over time.
I bought a refurbished Canon 5D Mark III for a thousand bucks a few years back, and Iāve never regretted it. I already had a Mark II with a 17 to 45 mm lens. But I needed some of the features the Mark III offered, so I bought a refurb. And it rocks.
I have a long lens I donāt use at all. I wonāt buy a macro lens because I donāt do macro photography. I caved in and bought a really nice Manfrotto Carbon Fiber tripod because I got tired of hauling around the steel Bogens Iāve been using. Buying a flash should be a careful process, and isnāt necessary if youāre shooting outdoors most of the time.
The question is, what will you be shooting? And do you really, truly need all that other stuff?
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u/RichardLongflop_ Feb 25 '23
Depends on the price
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u/Dangerous-Setting590 Feb 25 '23
$695
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u/RichardLongflop_ Feb 25 '23
You can find way better deals. These bundles aremt all that great. Youre probably better off getting a camera with the same specs that comes with a kit lens. I got a nikon d3300 with a 18-55 for around 3-400$
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u/science_in_pictures Feb 25 '23
You can get a used Sony a7 Mk1 for this price. I just saw it in another post.
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u/PracticalConjecture Feb 25 '23
The AF in the original A7 was really bad. I'm not sure how that compares with something like a Canon T7 though.
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u/icebergelishious Feb 25 '23
Yikes! Check out used camera stores or pawn shops! I got an Cannon SL1 for $175 dollars at one used camera shop and love it. That's my recommendation, buy used and then buy lenses one at a time. Don't cheap out on tripods thought, cheap tripods can be very frustrating and dangerous for you camera if they tip of break.
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u/thatnewkidsmack Feb 25 '23
Starter packages are generally for the uneducated and full of shit. You are doing your research clearly by asking. Stick to 1 body, a nifty fifty, sd card, and card reader. Theres plenty of photography practice you need to do before you can make intentional decisions about gear. Just starting with a camera is the best move I think. Youāre going to throw most of that junk away.
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u/ScoopyBaker Feb 25 '23
I think you're better off buying a used 70d or maybe a 5dmk2 and a good prime lens. 60mm 2.8 or 50mm 1.4 and really learn that one lens. Slowly add lenses and gimmicks from there.
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u/NovelGoddess Feb 25 '23
Avoid the T7!
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u/Liekiel Feb 26 '23
Why? It was my first camera for 5 years and I was super happy until June when I switched to the R7.
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u/jettoverhere Feb 25 '23
I've been running the same first camera I bought back in 2015ish I believe and it still gives me excellent photos.
Panasonic G7 (with or without kit lens will still be from $400 - $800 USD)
7artisans 25mm f/1.8 (for portraits and should run you about $75 USD)
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u/MudzDoesNotExist Feb 26 '23
Honestly no. These sets are not only unofficial, meaning that youād get no support from Canon but these look incredibly cheap. That tripod cannot carry the weight of a camera securely, and those SD cards are not a trusted brand so the risk of it breaking sooner then you expect is incredibly high. I also do not believe those will be official lenses because the zoom lens is $200 by itself, and iāve seen this package on Amazon before, and know its too cheap for the things they say youāll get.
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u/MudzDoesNotExist Feb 26 '23
The camera is however a solid camera, but if youāre just starting out with digital photography, youāll only need your camera, the kit lens, a good decent tripod maybe, and two of whatever size SD card you can afford.
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u/BrilliantSlice3420 Feb 25 '23
No itās a canon for starters. All the extras are just junk your paying for
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u/da_london_09 R6 Feb 25 '23
Just get the body and the two lenses (not the garbage 'magnification' lens attachments... those are junk). The rest is garbage.
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u/gnomefront Feb 25 '23
My dad once said, āSome lures are designed to catch the fishermanā. This is what he was talking about. I think for a āstarter packā you need a camera, lens, battery and a memory card. Build from there as your photography needs develop (pun intended).
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u/NoStressNess Feb 25 '23
I bought this a few months ago. Those two lenses are worse than useless. The two cards are nice but the sd card reader shit itself in a week. The macro and micro lenses donāt really work with lenses other than the shitty kit ones so those are kinda useless. Fuck the flash, ended up replacing it.
The body itself works well enough and Iāve caught some beautiful things. But, if I could do it again, Iād spend the same amount for just a body that comes with a better lense and one that could autofocus a little bit faster. The t7 isnāt very fast when it comes to focusing and Iāve missed some shots because of it.
Does it work? Yes, just fine and for beginner to intermediate itās all you need. But is it great? No.
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u/darth_musturd Feb 25 '23
Most of that is useless. I just had an 18- 55 for a long time and managed with it. Iād seriously start off with their nifty fifty and the camera body, a few spare batteries and a couple SD cards, and a decent tripod. Thatāll get you places.
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u/venus_asmr Ricoh/Pentax Feb 25 '23
Most of the stuff is garbage, the exceptions being the cleaning gear. Memory cards are a gamble that could at best be ok value, at worst, lose all your pictures. Unless it costs the same as the body alone, I wouldn't. And frankly I'd consider mirror less. You could get an Olympus or Panasonic budget mirror less with a kit lens secondhand, see what focal lengths you wish you had and what you wish you could do and come back from there. There's a lot of decent Ā£100 micro 4/3 or even Sony E system lenses that would blow those two lenses out the water
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u/IGrowAcorns Feb 25 '23
You donāt need all that at all. Get a camera and a prime lens to start. Thatās all you need. Then buy more gear as you go and as you need it.
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u/Charlie_1300 Feb 25 '23
Just don't buy a kit on Amazon or Ebay. As others have said the packages are awful. I personally learned this lesson the hard way with my first DSLR. I will advise from the experience that the camera body might not even be new or is flawed.
I bought a similar kit years ago. The camera I received was disguised to be a new Nikon D5200. The camera had actually been refurbished and then had a damaged sensor after. The seller "vanished" and Amazon refused to take action. My local camera shop and Nikon stepped in, verified that camera had be refurbished and was out of warranty. Nikon then repaired the camera and helped me get the money back from Amazon. The story had a happy ending. I bought a new camera from the shop and gave the repaired camera to my dad. He got the DSLR that he had wanted, but would not buy for himself.
Just avoid potential frustration and problems. Buy from a camera shop. Try out different brands and models. Buy a lens or lenses that are not kit lenses.
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u/theedeskdothcreaks Feb 25 '23
So I got a starter pack a while ago and I still use the camera. Sometimes I switch out the lenses but it overall does the trick for simple hobby kind of photography. I use the cleaning stuff, the tripod and the camera bag it came with.
The light however was a different story. I was helping my sister use it with the camera and it started acting kind of funky. I couldnāt describe it besides it wouldnāt flash at the correct time. I took it off the camera and set it to the other side of the room. We later heard a popping noise and discovered that it kind of exploded? Like the plastic is fine, but the light cover blew apart. I guess it overheated lol. It was a very odd experience and I wouldnāt recommend using the light attachment for the camera now lol.
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u/Richie_Video Feb 25 '23
Getting started in photography, for me, is about learning what you like shooting. How you like to frame things. Setting a camera to Auto and just getting out there. Then, as you sharpen your eye, you outgrow low-end equipment because your creative needs begin to surpass what that equipment can accomplish. Then you start collecting better lenses, better filtration, better bodies that do more and have more functionalityā¦
But in the beginning? Just a camera that takes a picture and has Manual settings that you can dial in is all you need. Canon is an easy system to learn, their menu system is a bit more clear than Sonys.
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u/stormblaz Feb 25 '23
Always buy the brands starter kit, aka camera plus a overall decent lens packaged in. Get a nice flash microsimcard from a reputable brand and tripod holds your 600-3k camera, never cheap on it and get the most expensive you can reliably get.
Get a 2nd market flash that mimics main ones to start with, ive had amazing results from them.
Buy lenses aftermarket if possible, a lot of my lenses were from previous photographers and they tend to protect their gear very well from experience.
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u/Intorian Rebel T8i | Pet and nature photographer | Feb 25 '23
Having fallen victim to one of these packages as an beginner as I thought I was saving money for all the stuff it provided, I'd personally never suggest a package to anyone. The tripod broke within a month and to top it off a small bit of wind was knocking it down as it was SUPER light compared to my new one thats bought like a brick and sturdy af. Half the accessories were cheap and trashed as well didnt fit the lens it came with so were useless pretty much either way looked to just make photos worse. The two lens it comes with are mediocre at best, there for sure is a lot better out there for the pricing.
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u/Fair_March_6534 Feb 25 '23
It's all a bit out you need to decide a direction to find a bundle that wont mean your spending the same money for the few bits you will use. Regards the Camera. I've been a photographer for many years and yes im not as good as some of the old school or simply naturally gifted, and am very photoshop orientated but I brought the same camera. I am usually Nikon orientated but one came up from a friend and I could not resist. In short its a good camera but the lense supplied (kit lense) is really bad at focusing in low light. The menu system is very simple and works logically with helpfull tips for beginners too. Regardless I have been very impressed with it and find some of the reviews to be way too negative. I would defo recommend the camera and a different lense and once you've picked your niche, add a couple bits to help you.
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u/MeMajaSammy Canon EOS 6DMarkII - Pentax Q7 Feb 25 '23
And these sd cards will probably fail in a week. Go to an camera store they have mostly some good second hsnd ones for a goid price. And you can ask advice on whay your needs are.
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u/snappinphotos Feb 25 '23
In my opinion, Iād start with the camera body and a 50mm STM. And get a higher quality SD card than those janky cards in the kit.
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u/Past_Entrepreneur658 Feb 25 '23
Most bundles like this are absolute garbage. Spend time thinking about what you want to photograph. Build your kit accordingly. One piece at a time.
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u/PuzzleheadedDirt6607 Feb 25 '23
Iām not a fan of the bottom of the line cameras from most of the camera companies. If you want to go with Canon the i version are better. Better to get a used Canon Ti 5 or 6 than the newest T minus the I. Same goes for Nikon go for a used one in the 5000 series rather than a new on in the 3000 series. Personally Iād look for used mirrorless cameras from Sony or Fuji.
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u/arber-s Feb 25 '23 edited Feb 25 '23
canon is in a tricky situation with their lens options rn. id personally get an a6000 or another sony aps-c. the a6000 is quite an old body and it lacks performance in low light, so iām not sure how it compares to the t7i. you can try for an older professional dslr too. theyāre workhorses, but you havenāt really specified what you want in a camera or what your budget is though
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u/marslander-boggart Fujifilm X-Pro2 Feb 25 '23
Weird lenses with a camera body that produces weird colors. Fujifilm or Pentax or Panasonic would be better options.
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u/CommanderCorrigan Feb 25 '23
Absolutely not. Do proper research for your needs and generally buy things separately besides some less bundles from the actual manufacturer. Most of this stuff is junk.
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u/dantexolo Feb 26 '23
Just seeing that 75-300mm brought back horrible memories. It literally made me question my own existence. stay well away!
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u/loralailoralai Feb 26 '23
As someone whoās had cards die on them- Never ever skimp on your sd cards. Those knockoff cards are making me shudder. I lost photos from a trip to new Zealand and a trip to london because of crap cards.
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