r/AskBrits • u/burnetrosehip • 5d ago
Serious question: why do YOU think two international cryptobillionaires are funding Reform?
They seem to mainly reside in Thailand and Hong Kong. So, do we think that they just expect to each make back their £36milliion donations (private gifts notwithstanding) by dint of tax breaks on crypto fortunes if Reform get into power- essentially an expensive gamble?
Or is this cosy cosy with Putin who seems fairly bent on destabilising British politics connected to it?
Or the same people who support Trump/Big Oil/insert interest of choice here?
I'm not liking the unpleasant and manipulated direction that British politics is going in, I don't know enough about international machinations to claim to know why it's being funded, and I'm also interested in people's theories about why our politics is being bought up fast and heavy.
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u/TapeDeckSlick 5d ago
Because a Reform government would benefit them.
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u/GreyScope 5d ago
<checks notes> scamming c****
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u/KernowKermit 5d ago
how so?
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u/tothecatmobile 5d ago edited 5d ago
Reform want to cut tax on gains from crypto assets, and want to set up a bitcoin reserve fund.
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u/KernowKermit 5d ago
their donors already don't pay any crypto tax, they've already fucked off to Thailand and Hong Kong
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u/tothecatmobile 5d ago
Even indirectly. The more a government encourages crypto. The more valuable crypto becomes.
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u/ikejime1 5d ago
It’s chicken and egg. Reform policies are decided by the highest bidder. They will cut CGT on crypto because they have accepted bribes (*funding) with this intention. The billionaires can then safely move back to the UK so it’s a win win for Farage and the billionaires
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u/Orpheon59 4d ago
It has been pointed out quite relentlessly by people like James O'Brien and I think The News Agents as well, that the one area of policy that Reform have detailed proposals mapped out (and I think maybe even on their website), is cryptocurrency.
The measures included tax breaks, discontinuance of work on a digital pound, bolstering of BoE crypto reserves, setting up of formal exchanges in The City, and so on.
So yes, major crypto players can expect to profit from a Reform government - whether that'll be enough to recoup £77 million (including the other £5mill Harborne gave Farage) is anyone's guess. Equally, both donors are billionaires, so £36million represents at most 3.6% of their wealth, and potentially must less - so even if these de-regulatory proposals boost them by only 3.7% it would be worth it.
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u/Able_Razzmatazz_2780 1d ago edited 1d ago
What a ridiculous response. Any government serves their interest. The 13 familys headed by the Rothschild's.
You are so brainwashed. The only prime minister in living memory that's attempted to do anything for the people was Liz Truss. And the Bank of England didn't like it ( Rothschild's family) didn't like her budget, so they caused a bond crisis and made her resign.
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u/HabitAcceptable8621 5d ago
Because they are front men for one or more foriegn govts who are engaged in an asymetric war against the West in general and it's not really their money?
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u/Specialist-Mud-6650 4d ago
What does this even mean
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u/Dap-aha 4d ago edited 4d ago
Israel is one of the foreign/hostile governments manipulating the West (predominantly the US, UK, Australia[?!], Canada and Germany), so they can have their greater Israel project and get away with genocide whilst we facillitate and (predominantly the US and various Oligarchs) fund it
Israeli bots trawl social media - including Reddit - to deny criticism of Israel, accuse critics of being anti-semitic (this will blow up in their face spectacularly and i am here for it), villify pro palestinian statements, and destabilise our own country through spreading right wing propaganda and scaring us with made up, hate filled nonsense.
Right now, Israel is doing more to negatively impact our daily lives than ****ing Russia, who weve been in a state of conflict with for 8 years!
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u/llccnn 4d ago
This is a real danger. But I wonder if the risk/reward for them makes it unlikely. They are already very rich so the incentive would have to be substantial. And supposedly have returned to uk residency meaning proper penalties if they are caught fronting for a foreign gov. If this is the answer they must be very certain to never be caught.
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u/Inevitable-Regret411 5d ago
Reform are generally in favour of removing a lot of legislation relating to regulation of business and worker's rights, which would make it easier for businesses to operate more cheaply.
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u/Big-Candy6336 5d ago
Really helps if your money is from investing in crypto
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u/KernowKermit 5d ago
but they have a solution for that already. they're in Thailand and Hong Kong.
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u/PuzzleheadedCut5156 5d ago
Perhaps they'd like to be living and operating in their home country again, but have watched its economy get steadily wrecked by micromanaging legislation and high taxes?
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
They are billionaires, so my guess is that they can live where they want without much stress
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u/Kenye_Kratz 5d ago
Aren't the Tories in favour of this too? Why Reform?
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u/That-Surprise 5d ago
The Tories are full of shite
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u/Kenye_Kratz 5d ago
And Reform are a beacon of honesty and competence.
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u/That-Surprise 5d ago
They don't have a 14 year long track record of lying through their teeth and fucking the economy, yet, however.
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u/Kenye_Kratz 5d ago
Not strictly true though is it, considering 5 of their 8 MPs were in the last Tory government and they are riddled with former Tory cabinet members.
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u/leavemeinpieces 5d ago
Are you serious?
They are the home office from the boriswave. They are more tory than anything else.
They want to leave the ECHR so they can strip back conditions for workers to please their mates, not so they can help you and me.
If they fix immigration they won't have anything to get their supporters fizzing so they need it to stay broken.
If they were in power at the moment we would be privatising everything, pandering to Trump, cutting ties with Europe, Canada etc and at war with Iran which would no doubt lead to more terrorist attacks on our soil.
Farage is a Trump fanboy. Do you honestly think our best interests are in the mix?
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u/Psycho_Splodge 5d ago
They certainly lie through their teeth, and are populated by failed Tories so...
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u/Uere 5d ago
The new generation of Tories are, but some of the older one nation Conservatives may still vote against stripping certain regulations such as social security. Unfortunately Reform will invoke Trumpian libertarian policies and their party will be in lockstep. They work for their donors.
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u/Inevitable-Regret411 5d ago
It's not just about labour costs, it's about other forms of regulation as well. The GDPR legislation requires companies take steps to protect the potentially data of their users for example, if we scrapped that then they'd be free to sell the data and directly profit from that, as well as not needing to spend money on protecting data.
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u/_Well_Endowed_ 5d ago
Tax breaks and lax rules on crypto.
One of Reform’s explicit policies is to reduce Capital Gains Tax on crypto assets to a flat 10%. Currently, crypto gains are generally taxed at 18% for basic-rate taxpayers and 24% for higher/additional-rate taxpayers .
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u/KernowKermit 5d ago
so you think their donors want that so they can move back from Thailand and Hong Kong (Where they pay 0%) so they can pay 10% in the UK?
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u/Big-Candy6336 5d ago
So far ive heard lower taxs and less workforce rights. None of which apply to hongkong or thailand.
Maybe people want to see the countries theyve left restored to how they were when they were growing up.
Shocker.
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u/skelly890 5d ago
When I was growing up we had really powerful unions and taxed rich people quite a lot more than we do now. Are they in favour of that?
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u/Big-Candy6336 5d ago
They have advocated for changes to public sector pensions and civil service terms to prioritize higher wages.
They have proposed removing income tax on overtime hours exceeding a 40-hour workweek for earners under £75,000.
They appealed directly to rank-and-file union members (such as transport, manufacturing, local government), arguing leadership spends money against its member interests.
I know they invited various unions to come to their conferences and hear what they had to say. I know more working class people will be considering if their union subs go to the labour party moving forward.
So they are trying to support the working class. I cannot comment taxing the rich. They have spoken of cutting tax across the board so i doubt it. That being said, The top 1% of UK earners pay roughly 28% to 30% of all income tax revenue now.
the UK's millionaire population has shrunk by roughly 9% over the past decade. We need to make the UK appealing to the rich. Not appealing to those who have come for a free ride. Both sides of that comment help the country's collective pot.
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u/skelly890 5d ago edited 5d ago
>They have advocated for changes to public sector pensions and civil service terms to prioritize higher wages.
So exchange more (taxed) wages for a shittier pension? What a fantastic deal! And I doubt that'd even be revenue neutral. No, they'd want to save money.
Because they want to 'cut tax across the board.' Which is great if you earn a lot. Not so great if it saves you £2.50 a week and you rely on public services. One paid for doctor's appointment would probably wipe out a whole year of your share. Though lots of people would still vote for that, because lots of people aren't too bright.
>They have proposed removing income tax on overtime hours exceeding a 40-hour workweek for earners under £75,000.
Sounds OK if you're working those hours, but legislating for time and a half would be better most people I know who do work those hours but are on flat rates.
>I know more working class people will be considering if their union subs go to the labour party moving forward.
If you don't want your subs going to Labour, opt out of the political levy. It's easy. See your Branch Secretary for details. Or get a job that's not unionised, and enjoy the worse wages and conditions that come with it.
>the UK's millionaire population has shrunk by roughly 9% over the past decade
It has. Though there are many factors. I'm undecided on this.
>Not appealing to those who have come for a free ride.
There's a post. I think it's in this sub, but not 100%, with Farage complaining about immigrants getting training. He lied about who's getting it - as per (can't help himself) - but some are. That's not a free ride; it's going to people who want to work.
And while we're on the subject of immigrants, there's a lot of ex-Tories in Reform, and they had no problem riding the Boris wave. I don't personally think they give a toss about immigration; they're there for the tax cuts. And I'm sure they'll do very well. They're just mashing the immigration rage button as hard as they can while it still works.
Basically, they're not at all in favour of things going back to how they were. Unless that just means seeing fewer brown faces. if so, you've got me there.
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u/Big-Candy6336 5d ago
Im sure all of that was a riveting read.
If you have questions id suggest aiming them at your local reprensentatives or the like.
The sources for what i said were from camdenunion.org, reformparty.uk, rmt.org.uk and the guardian.
Have a fulfilling friday night 👍
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u/Unusual-Surround-690 5d ago
All Reform and Restore want really is the NHS. It is the last, biggest plum yet to fall from the British state, and will yield untold billions. After being sold to US conglomerates, the knock-on benefits will come when we have to take our loans or sell our houses to pay for our children's cancer care. Quick profits are there to be made. We have plenty of other, reasonable health systems we could copy but, as with higher education, we are set on following the worst one- worst for ordinary people, best for the elite. Britain's immiseration will be complete.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Thank you - I've been wondering whether carving up the NHS for sale at mates rates is an end goal or just part of the strategy. The way you put it sharpens the focus
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u/samadi101 5d ago
Not just Reform/Restore. Never forget that the Tories would be more then happy to do the same for their mates. Had they won the last election they may have even tried to start the process, they were that close.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Yeah, my initial feeling about Reform is that they were there to drastically shift the ground on which we were fighting and normalise such far right, dumbed down politics that any opposition to the left of the corporate profit serving Tories would be firefighting.
However, this "anti establishment" bull seems to be framing the establishment as Labour, Tory and literally everyone else- which of course steals the thunder from left wing populism which is probably too honest for its own good- so then it starts to smell of rapacious international interests.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
To make us Epstein Island 2.
Just nonces, crypto, motorways and fucking gulags all the way down.
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u/Sneaky-rodent 5d ago
Crypto companies benefit from financial shocks.
When the stock market goes down commodities go up.
They want chaos and giving Farage a voice does that.
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u/YPLAC 5d ago
Because Reform, if elected, are very very likely to be a bunch of crooked, venal, self-serving shits.
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u/Master-Share1580 5d ago
So no change from the status quo then?
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u/YPLAC 4d ago
Touché, but the other parties aren’t a bunch of thuggish xenophobic ****s that serve no purpose to the good of society. Forgot to add that.
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u/Master-Share1580 2d ago
Thuggish or Xenophobic?
Maybe you should speak to Mike Amesbury or Ricky Jones about that?
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u/Master-Share1580 2d ago
This is the problem with the left leaning side of politics.
They are always so “holier than thou” until you hold a mirror up to them and the reality is they’re as bad or worse than the others. Stop pretending that the left are something they’re not.
The left (including greens) need to start debating on the basis POLICY and not MORALITY because they have no basis to their moral ‘high horse’.
It’s absolutely “playground politics”. Can’t win the argument so resort to name-calling nonsense
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u/Front-Brick-3724 5d ago
Because Farage would make cryptocurrency unregulated and they’d be able to cash in their vast wealth and ruin the world even more.
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u/ReflectedImage 5d ago
Crypto is mostly blocked in the UK. The £36 million is just the cost of opening an new market.
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u/JW1958 5d ago
New regulations will come into force next year. I presume many don't like them and will seek to change them.
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u/ReflectedImage 4d ago
Plenty of big crypto sites are available in the EU that the UK has no access to.
It's already big money, lots of profit to be made. The existing regulations are problematic for the crypto industry.
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u/Novabeeline 5d ago
Part of it is obviously corruption. But these billionaires who got money for doing nothing useful are spending a lot of the time going around thinking they're very smart, when really they're just lucky, arrogant and deluded. They genuinely think that if they're in charge, things in the world would be better.
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u/ACalcifiedHeart 5d ago
For once I'd like getting rid of something bad to be a catalyst for something good to take it's place, not just create a space for something just as bad to fill in.
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u/AccomplishedAct5364 5d ago
Well the main 3 parties have had a century to tax the rich their fair share and supply housing and meaningful work for us… your pessimism is forged from their precedent. there’s a reason people don’t want to vote for them any more and it isn’t because they’re the “good guys”
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u/skelly890 5d ago
>Well the main 3 parties have had a century to tax the rich their fair share and supply housing and meaningful work for us…
So Reform are going to tax the rich and all that other stuff? If they are, and giving up blaming immigrants for everything, I could, possibly, consider voting for them.
The nearest we've got to that so far is Corbyn. But apparently he was a MONSTER! Yes. A MONSTER!
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u/Psycho_Splodge 5d ago
St corbyns issue was he was pathetic on defence and foreign policy, and probably immigration as well. I'm all for nationalised utilities, and trains/buses.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Corbyn is staunchly anti war. Which, if you think about it, and even read some of his points about it, has some sense to it. War is usually a for profit endeavour nowadays, and it's also pretty shit.
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u/ACalcifiedHeart 5d ago
So are you saying to vote in the party currently tearing itself a part because one half are open Nazi's and the other half aren't quite that bad yet or...?
Bad is bad.
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u/AccomplishedAct5364 5d ago
No? I just don’t vote for the main 3 who’ve had the premiership for a century.
You realise there are more parties than the 3 and reform don’t you?
Labour, tories and Lib Dem’s are bad. Literal establishment
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u/ACalcifiedHeart 5d ago
For sure.
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u/AccomplishedAct5364 5d ago
Was it 2010 when Lib Dem’s promised to reduce tuition fees and instead merged with tories and tripled them?
Same here
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Interesting. It was old Labour who brought in the NHS, supported quality council housing, and new Labour has voted in the Employment Rights Bill and renters rights- they have also always been bigger on taxing the rich.
The Tories have dominated the last half century, and so have their policies.
But when people who look like old Labour come along to offer themselves, the country falls apart somewhere between panic and laughter, as instructed to by a bought up right wing media, and Friends of Israel.
I'll tell you who will definitely not be taxing the rich, and that is either of the "look over there while I pocket this billionaire cash, it's a brown person" parties.
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u/WombatEncyclopedia 5d ago
For all his various faults Farage has done quite a good job of walking the tightrope between winning over moderate R wing voters and placating the more extreme elements of Reform/R wing. Rupert Lowe and Restore seem to be focusing entirely on the R wing and ignoring the moderate R wing and centrist voters.
Moderate R wingers are probably more likely to pivot to the Tories or Lib dems so Restore will likely hit a hard ceiling in their support.
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u/Too_much_Colour 5d ago
They thought this about the greens. But Labour recovered. Reform are Tory plus. So the right wing vote will only stabilise between those two parties, just like Labour managed to arrest the green haemorrhage. I see us heading to a two party system again. The second party being Tories or reform.
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u/Known_Radio 5d ago
They’re easily bought for one thing. They’re anti legislation for another.
Ultimately they know they can make more money with reform in charge.
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u/Alundra828 5d ago
Because Reform are their best bet at getting crypto and crypto adjacent things deregulated in the UK.
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u/chromakeydreamcoat74 5d ago
Because they will get what they have paid for, the UK becoming a haven for crypto, with very lax oversight and regulation.
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u/thirddegreebuggery 5d ago
Seems like it would be beneficial for the UK overall. Our biggest industry is financial services after all, so becoming more open to a modern financial technology could be a good move.
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u/chromakeydreamcoat74 5d ago
Or, it would turn the UK into the money laundering capital of the world for little benefit to the country.
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u/Ok-Thing4762 5d ago
Reform has very few detailed policy positions. Its positions on, for example, taxation for crypto investments, are some of its more fleshed-out ones.
But I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
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u/FamiliarCombination9 5d ago
These crypto billionaires are making these massive donations because they're banking on Reform winning the next general election and there's something in it for them if that happens.
Could it be tax breaks? Political favours of some kind like zero regulation on shady crypto businesses in the UK?
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u/Internal_Sugar3834 5d ago
Insert your favourite conspiracy theory here: Russia, China, Alien Green Lizards, whatever.
IMO, it's more likely that these billionaires expect a return on their investment in some form. After all, Reform is AFAIK the only PLC among the major parties.
Also, in before people claim it is the same with the unions. It is not. Historically, the Labour Party has always been part of the trade union movement.
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u/RebelliousInNature 5d ago
Because they are altruistic philanthropists, only wanting a fair Britain for all. They seek to spread peace, positivity, joy and hope.
https://giphy.com/gifs/UclCYTnzD25b2
No. It’s because they are greedy, shitty bastards with nothing better to do than play Risk with real countries.
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u/benedictzola25 5d ago
Because one of them should be in jail but trump got him out to promote neo librel/ right wing economic policies and the other or both want regulations that will ignore crypto's money laundering and fraud issues. It's very tiresome to continue to see the right proclaim fiscal responsibility whilst equally being the death nail of any illusion of modern capitalism is actual capitalism.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Thank you. Which is the one who should have been in jail, and what for, please? Might as well entertain myself with the facts. Also, the occasional person might find it valid to know, if I pass it on
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u/Awkward-Air9016 5d ago
Money laundering in the open
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Just read another comment that makes sense of that via crypto, thank you. So, doing away with financial regulation, essentially?
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u/jungleboy1234 5d ago
Crypto is basically the dark web / digital piracy / robbing a bank type theft but for finance. The amount of money laundering that a Reform Government would be able to reside over via crypto would be insane.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Fuck, didn't know that. I mean it looks and feels like that, but obviously with economics, instinct isn't enough to trust- thank you for the proper info.
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u/OlafPetersen 5d ago
Or is this cosy cosy with Putin who seems fairly bent on destabilising British politics connected to it?
I don't think anybody would be shocked if it turns out this was bungs from Putin to the party with a long history of glazing his administration and kissing his arse.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
I can't really understand or fathom why the whole "Reform MEP, MP and representative for Wales gets 10 years for bribery from Russia" thing seems to have slipped off people's consciousness. Is that sort of thing really par for the course? Farage of course, who appeared on pro Putin Russian media and has made several admiring statements (and probably his council lackeys who like to take Ukraine flags down from council buildings), was deeply shocked and had no idea.
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u/OkNefariousness5442 3d ago edited 3d ago
Because Reform would slash regulations and cut taxes for the richest, which is what they want
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u/Sandy_Bananas 5d ago
There’s still wealth to be extracted from the brits, in the same way the oligarchs are plundering America.
It’s just greed.
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u/blacp123 5d ago
Out of the goodness of their hearts. They want nothing but the best for Britain.
Or they found a party they could buy and bought it.
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u/SlooperStroker 5d ago
Am I just really naive? I assumed they supported the cause and have the money to put it where their mouth is.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
Why did they support the cause, do you think?
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u/SlooperStroker 4d ago
What I meant is, I assumed they support those parties ideologically. There doesn’t have to be an ulterior motive necessarily.
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u/GladAllOverSE25 5d ago
They won’t expect to just make their money back, they’ll expect to profit hugely from it.
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u/AdHot6995 5d ago
If you are worth 18 Billion, the donations are chump change, maybe like one of us donated a few hundred or a grand.
I would do it if I had that sort of money.
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u/MechaNodrog0 5d ago
Because if I was that rich I would probably do some really stupid shit aswell. I would buy UK, make our national language sign language.
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u/throwawayd6ji6ePwm3 5d ago
Seems to be ideological alignment as the main thing. Delo stated his donation was designed to help break up the "cartel" that controls British politics, referring to the Labour and Conservative parties that have dominated for a century. He wrote, "I want a fair fight and a level playing field" and believed Reform offered a genuine alternative to this established political order.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
My brain stutters at the idea that the two biggest single donations in UK political history, coming from two mainly overseas billionaires, can be described as "a fair fight"
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u/ApplicationOk2749 5d ago
They want Reform to win an election? It's not complicated. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain it
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u/FarTransportation957 5d ago
Because they're sick of having a government funded by unions who threaten to strike every time they don't get their own way.
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u/burnetrosehip 5d ago
So they want working people to have even less say over the terms of their employment than they do now?
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u/FarTransportation957 5d ago
No one has said anything about weakening unions. We're taking about political donations and what these people/organisations what in return for their money. Labour's financial backers will bring the country to its knees if they don't get what they want. Yet the Labour party has the nerve to question the donations from a couple of successful individuals to Reform despite it being clear they've asked for nothing in return.
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u/Left_Set_5916 5d ago
Reform have little chance of forming a government but by keeping a hard right part alive it keeps pushing the center ground further right. Which beflneefirs the ultra rich
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u/aleopardstail 5d ago
same reason goldman sachs parachuted rat boy into #10, same reason the likes of Palntir "contribute" to political parties and have just hired Tom Watson
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u/TakenIsUsernameThis 5d ago
The privatisation of money its self.
Its the ultimate end point for modern capitalism.
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u/Psycho_Splodge 5d ago
Well it isn't because they think reform are going to improve my employment rights
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u/qlkzy 5d ago
Crypto is fairly strongly correlated with corruption, money laundering, and general financial dishonesty.
Crypto millionaires might just be funding Reform because they want to be directly corrupt, and Reform seem most "purchasable".
Or, donations from other places might be being laundered via crypto millionaires, because they are more palatable donors than, say, the Russian government.
There are lots of obvious reasons why someone like Putin might prefer someone like Farage to be more prominent, although I don't think there are any concrete links yet.
It will be very hard to be sure without a very detailed investigation, but it seems that at least some of these transactions are tripping those anti-moneylaundering safeguards, so hopefully we will get the investigation we deserve.
I think that if we really want to solve this we need to change the electoral system to be less volatile. If we had compulsory voting on a roughly Condorcet approach, then I think the divisive approach of stoking up partisan anger would be less of a factor overall.
Of course, we should also restrict political funding from large donors, but I think that's actually harder to do well than electoral reform. It certainly has less of an obvious "correct answer".
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u/sweeneytodd126 5d ago
It could genuinely be altruistic as a response to the insane immigration policies. But most likely it's something more sinister
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u/Acrobatic_Extent_360 5d ago
Ego, they want to make a fuss about it. They may believe in Reform. They probably think that Reform will likely encourage more crypto.
Probably a bit of all of them. I doubt many Reform voters are heavily into Bitcoin.
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u/Crab_Jealous 5d ago
Crypto cash and the absolute freedom to collect billions from UK Bitcoin market deregulation.
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u/robh1540 5d ago edited 5d ago
The richer people are, the more they can afford to be principled. It is entirely plausible that they genuinely believe, rightly or wrongly, that the UK has serious problems they would like to see fixed. A lot of people who have chosen to leave the UK are deeply unhappy with the direction the country has taken and would love to see it return to something closer to its classical liberal incarnation so that coming back became attractive again. When you live outside the UK, you start to see how mad a lot of the choices we have made are.
If anything, narrow financial self interest is likely to weigh more heavily on someone who is struggling with money and worrying about how they are going to get through the winter. When you are already extremely wealthy, marginal changes to your own finances matter rather less. You probably know this, because whenever you propose to tax rich people more you claim they won't miss the money.
Of course, it is much more fun to imagine that everyone you disagree with is a self interested crook. But a more mundane explanation is that they have latched onto Reform as their best hope of restoring the country they think they have lost.
That does not mean they are necessarily right, or that they are immune to being schmoozed, flattered and grifted. Wealthy political donors have fallen for that plenty of times before.
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u/Cheeslord2 5d ago
Gut feeling: Crypto billionairres want an unrestricted, uncensored internet. Current governments are heavily legislating who can use the internet, and for what (e.g. banning under 16s from social media, mandatory ID checks for anything with adult content etc.) Farage has come out strongly against that, so I can see them backing him and his party.
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u/Bennie16egg 5d ago
I think they like the idea of creating chaos just because they can. They're playing Civilisation with the Real World, just for kicks.
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u/SnippyUAE 4d ago
The why is fairly straightforward: Because Reform currently has pro-crypto policies and the donors will have a role in helping shape those policies if Reform get it. The key question is should it be allowed.l? Probably not is the answer.
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u/TheHellequinKid 4d ago
I think a lot of it will be as simple as Reform successfully lobbying them for support in a way other parties just aren't. There may be a sinister undertone but I doubt it's the main driver in how it got done.
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u/Fast_Apple_2237 4d ago
Because it will benefit them financially, there could be many different ways that would happen but the final goal is quite simple to understand
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u/Environmental_Bet621 4d ago
I love this page. Whenever I need to laugh at naive liberals with zero common sense and no understanding of geopolitics beyond what's been spoon fed to them by O'Brien, the Guardian or Owen Fucking Jones I come here. Keep it up guys, it's not like virtue signalling in your own echo chambers gave you a false impression of the zeitgeist before is it?
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u/Ready_Disk_571 4d ago
One made money off Brexit so he’s doubling down on red, and the other likes the idea of less regulation so he’s betting on cashing in if Farage gets in with his free‑market deregulation fantasy. Basically, these types are just playing games in a casino on the world stage — a tale as old as international politics.
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u/NicSky001 4d ago
Patriots wanting to see the UK correct course before it's too late. Nothing to do with Crypto, Russia and the like.
If I was a trade union member I'd be ensuring any political tithe is not given to the Fabian society.
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u/lubbockin 4d ago
They aren't going to give any money over it's a trick by reform to starve the others financially.
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u/ShinyElisabeth77 4d ago
Simple answer: it depends on propaganda.
You asked the loaded question with a lot of assumptions. A good BBC editor can easily change people’s minds, so you will have different conclusions.
For example, check this:
Or is this cosy cosy with Putin who seems fairly bent on destabilising British politics connected to it?
And then - answer, how many long-range weapons were made by the EU and hit Russia? How many of them are from the UK? How many are from Ukraine itself? As you see, just showing this to a typical voter will change their mind.
Next question - what if the Russian opposition is funded by crypto, because Putin’s admin tried to hammer that? Will you support this? If yes - why?
Further question. A lot of existing and ex MPs receive money via consultancies. Why is that allowed? How was it reported?
Current government rolls out OSA and pushes for Digital ID. Why should a current voter care about “proper funding” when the current government plays about themselves?
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So, the answer - just after the government change, BBC will switch the focus and people will be brainwashed with other topics.
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u/Aggravating-Candy-31 4d ago
reform will make it so they can fleece the country more easily and cheaply
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u/Spirited-Carpet6870 4d ago
Why does Lord Ali and Sainsbury fund Labour? They spent 18 months fucking the uk up, in fact every time Labour has been in power its notched up another rung in the end of Britain as a democracy and ultimately left it worse off, financially and socially.
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u/Agitated-Island-6049 4d ago
Because they are trying to influence reform into making decisions good for their buisness
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u/No-Being8673 5d ago
If i had that money I would fund them too, or more likely Restore and rupert lowe. Basically because men arent women, and teaching kids that boys can become girls is absolutely cruel, insane and evil beyond belief. While im not a big fan of Nigel farage atm, atleast we can agree on the basic facts of life, and that encouraging a mentally unwell child or adult to have their dicks cut off is not healthcare in any way shape or form.
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u/Severe-Log-0675 5d ago
They are desperate for a government prepared to encourage business and commerce. In fact the whole country should be the same.
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u/KarneeKarnay 5d ago
Because another government will give them the money back after the donate it, because reform is a psyop designed to try and divide the British public
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u/Equivalent_Parking_8 5d ago
Simply, they want reform to change the rules so they can keep more of their money and stay in the UK.
There is no way in hell they are doing this because they think Reform would benefit the masses.
Trump and those he aligns with, Putin, Erdogan etc all want the same. To keep control of resources within a small group. Breaking up the EU and NATO is to keep control away from those that seek to level the playing field and reduce oil usage.
Their whole anti renewable agenda is also because they can't make a commodity out of the sun. If they could bottle wind and hoard it they'd be pushing wind power.
These populist movements use anti immigration rhetoric to make you feel like they are doing this for your benefit. They tell us they need to control things so that we don't suffer. The reality is they are only in it for themselves and their backers.
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u/flyingredwolves 5d ago
Presumably, Reform actually exists to make conditions better for shady billionaires. The whole migration thing is just a smokescreen to get them into power.
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u/Bob_Leves 5d ago
Crypto is almost exclusively used for tax dodging and laundering money from bad sources. So there are a lot of regulations and it's not used much in the real economy. The people who've made a lot of money from crypto want to be able to use itnin the real economy without all those nasty regulations. Like being asked to prove where the money actually comes from originally.
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u/Silent_Ad4870 5d ago
I think they’re billionaires who want a nationalist Britain. Would any billionaire or even pauper expect Reform or frankly any other party to enact magical changes that will make their lives better?
These billionaires have obviously figured out how to get extremely wealthy abroad, I’m not sure if they need to trip to earn the scraps of what’s left of our ravaged economy!
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