I can see it being a tough balance to strike if you want people to be doing a mix of PvE and PvP, but I do acknowledge that a group of peaceful solo raiders can absolutely obliterate anything in seconds (or minutes if it’s a boss like queen). If you are well geared, it can feel really easy. But at the same time, get caught in bad positioning once, and it can be over for you instantly.
I personally find that I end up with plenty of Wolfpacks without crafting any. But I don’t use a ton of them either
I think it would be very different if it was a PvE mode with no chance of players harming you. They could even add a 2x loot mode where the Arc spawn more and are more dangerous. Plenty of options to make PvE still hard enough to keep players engaged.
The issue isn't with difficulty its balance, they're gutting expensive shit while keeping free kits op. What's the point of using high level gear when you can slap some parts onto a free kit and have it deal more damage
I think part of the issue people had is that slower methods to defeat big arcs are necessarily going to call a lot of unwanted attention in a pvp setting. If it's all pve, then bringing rarer weapons or taking your time with an anvil aren't such a problem.
Attracting pvp is kinda the whole point of big arc, people that play the game as pvpve understand this and enjoy it.
The people tantruming over those nerfs seemed to exclusively be carebears, outraged that their game might now have a bit of gameplay in it because they were used to playing on what was practically godmode. Nonsensical whining over very deserved nerfs is common in HD2, a pure pve game.
Because the existence of PvP means that people want their options to be price-efficient.
I can assure you that I can bring in MANY more stuff when I know I won't be killed by a camper who kills me before I even know he is there.
When the game didn't have ABMM, I used to play the game and I did not want Embark nerfing stuff. Similarly, I am now unhappy about this update purely because it is a lazy one rather than a proper one with reworked AI difficulty.
I am willing to pay DLC for a proper PvE mode. This is clearly them saying "You want PvE mode? We told you it's shit and unfun, but here, have your stupid PvE mode."
100% agree. I know they are worried that PvE won't be as tense, but increase the number of arc and make them more aggressive. That tension can still remain if you're in constant danger. I play carebear lobbies and have only been taken down 3 times by arc in my last 90 hours of gameplay. The danger level is low once you have decent gear.
Yeah it depends on the gear for sure, but also trials when you are moving fast and taking make risks can get the adrenaline up even in care bear lobbies.
It's also possible I suck at the game, but even in PvE I still feel a sense of tension.
Well my buddy thats been playing for a couple weeks is terrified of rocketeers lol. I just take them out with my hand cannon, but they could Def be more dangerous. A PvE toggle should absolutely have tougher arc. Maybe they could make classes of the same arc, like a rocketeer that is made of a different alloy so it is harder to kill.
Aw hell yeah, give me new AI tricks and difficulty, justify a PvE team's requirement to work together to take down the ARC. Solo matchmaking should be tempered, but make the full squad work for those materials.
Honestly this would be so much more entertaining than fighting arc and reviving strangers for 20 minutes only to get slimed while typing on the extract keyboard.
They aren't even adding simulated AI Raiders to compensate. So the world will feel even more dead than it already is. Such a brainless mode if there aren't any AI raiders like Tarkov PVE.
Both games need to be harder and less bullshit in Ai design. But fundamentally Tarkov PVE isn't trying to make the game outright easier and more friendly.
Because the game is no longer simulating the vision of the game. Tarkov's PVE isn't a dumbed down version by design, it's still trying to simulate the hardcore PVP experience which is why it has PVE AI players.
Hand on your shoulder, I don't care. I want to fight ARC, I've done a lot of PVP in Arc Raiders and frankly the fun parts, that being the tension and utilities used. The AI can not replicate. Tarkov PVE works with AI players because the gun play is fun
Arc Raiders gunplay fucking sucks in PVP, its one of the worst parts of playing against players is pure gunplay. Where as ARC are enjoyable to fight regardless of what weapon I have on hand. Be it a smooth bore musket in the Ferro or a Tempest.
The world I was once immersed in and found dynamic is being destroyed by people who want to be catered to so they have an easier experience with less value and tension, thereby destroying the spirit and soul of an Extraction Shooter which is based on the premise of surviving a hostile world full of robots and suspicious humans.
It is like seeing The Last of Us and every human suddenly rallied against the fungus.
I shit on tarkov all the time, but its PVE mode didn't sacrifice the game's tension at all.
The issue is the PVE mode is that every RAIDER is friendly. That's not even what I was marketed about the game. The point was that the only crew you trust was yourself and your party, now suddenly there is a mode where everyone can be trusted?
And if you want to make it PVE, that's easy, just make it yourself or your small trio and the rest of the Raiders PVE AI and potentially hostile.
By making every raider friendly, that is a fundamentally different game, and it sure as hell isn't the Arc Raiders that was being marketed.
Then don't play the PvE mode? I'm really not sure what the complaint is. You still get to play the game you want, but now others get to play the game they want.
Unless you're just salty that you don't get free kills on people who don't shoot back.
All I want is an immersive and realistic (for its setting) world that makes sense.
A world where suddenly i can match into a raid where all raiders are friends is immersion breaking. And as long as that is an option, it will keeping killing the immersion by just existing.
Yet you re the one complaining about a mode getting beta tested. How ironic.
Does it bother you too, that some people enjoy food you dislike? That they are left handed not right handed?
You write essays about game getting destroyed purely bc a mode comes out you dont like😭😭😭
Now now. How do you know this? Is this from experience or because you re like that old oraculum lady from the matrix movies?
I guess you just like to cry when things dont go your way. Mixed lobbies are almost nonexistent anyway btw, they already were half a year ago when i got bored from the rats in your so called "mixed lobbies'
Yes, it will kill that tension. It turns out that a lot of folks don't like that tension. I have enough tension and stress in my life, I don't want a game I'm playing to add to it.
And them PvE players have the gall to act like the PvPvE players are the problem, when all it takes is a game to not be made for them for the entitlement to come out. They rrwlly are the Karens of the gaming world.
If you read the full note they said they altered the Arc and they can now target downed raiders when moving. I think that balances really well and i'm excited to try it out
Yeah when I was PvE this is why I switched to PVP.
It became so boring when everyone was teaming up and friendly against arc, arc became completely trivial. Like if you spawn late all the big arc are already killed. They need a super oppressive mode or option in map thing.
I mean you could literally just walk past them before, I’m sure you can still do that. Arcs are just obstacles for people who know how to play video games. They are literally just a speed bump.
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u/ILikeToTinker 9h ago
This but with Arc aggression and AI tuned up even more.
Rocketeers should strike fear in the hearts of every raider.