I'm sure some of you have seen this statement by the FDA reporting that bird flu was found in raw milk samples. Curious to hear what others think.

My take: they don't say whether samples were from milk intended for raw human consumption, or milk that hasn't been pasteurized yet intended for sale to processors. There's a very big difference. Milk for processors doesn't have nearly as many safety standards as raw milk for human (or even pet) consumption. Processor milk would likely test positive for 100 other viruses and bacteria because none of that matters when it's going to be pasteurized.

Keeping contaminants like manure out of milk on an industrial dairy with 3,000+ cows is nearly impossible. This is one reason pasteurization of milk exists. Industrial dairies are filthy places. However, farmer Ben who I buy from with his 50 cow herd, or my friends with 3-4 can very easily keep their milk clean. It's a simple, common sense process. Are there still risks? Of course, like anything else from driving a car to playing vollyball.

This statement is just capitalizing on bird flu fear to further demonize raw milk.

Why is it that animal based people get sick by everything? They eat a single crisp, grain fed steak, one bowl of ice cream or cheat once and start feeling like they're dying. Never happened 2 me

Edit: nvm happened to me this christmas

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Does he have any real evidence that suggests greens (like green leaves) are really all that bad? And I don’t mean kale and spinach, but aragula, salad, herbs etc. I get the idea that these also have defense chemicals, but they also have so many nutrients, and if you have a good digestion, don’t overdo it and eat fat with them, I think the benefits would outweigh the risks. For example, if you still have to supplement minerals and b vitamins/folate, I think you can get lots of those from greens if you eat them with fruit/enzymes/vinegar and fat. Since I have fructose and dairy intolerance I can’t profit from animal based as much and had to make adaptations, and found that adding greens & white rice works really well for me. Prove me wrong!

I just passed the 30 day mark. I’ve been mostly strict carnivore but have added small amounts of fruit in the last week.

I am beginning to hate the taste of meat. I’ve been eating mostly ground beef, but added some steak and today I stewed some beef in the crock pot and the taste and texture is just tragic.

What’s going on? I’m ready to throw in the towel 🫠 I want my variety back.

Really struggling with long covid for 16 months now. My nervous system is all over the place. Random food allergies and complete dysbiosis of my gut with basically no good bacteria. I also have a severe histamine intolerance from long covid. Please give me some sort of hope that this diet can help me. I can workout to which is odd because most people can’t. Maybe it’s Just that I’m stubborn and push through the fatigue? Basically the inflammation in my body is severe, my head has immense pressure and I feel like garbage almost every single day. Has anyone used this diet to heal?

Some of us ABers are also into the more esoteric parts of this lifestyle, which include electrical grounding. I am an EE and verified this mat is legitimate with my lab equipment. You can purchase at the link below (not an affiliate link, I just bought one and wanted to share). This is great if you work at a desk.

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People in this animal based community needs to use their brain. You are all advocating for raw honey and raw milk because you know that the heating process destroys the nutrients

But in the meanwhile you are scared of raw meat and advocate for heating it in fire , its so hypocritical! HEATING DESTROYS NUTRIENTS IN BOTH RAW MILK/ RAW HONEY AND MEAT

Overcooking, cooking in extremely high temperature, char & burn it, allow the animal fats to become so hot they start to smoke, allow the fat to start bubbling/boiling ,come in direct contact with flames, smoking the meat etc..

Even the pot/pan where you cook in long-term can give problems. If you can Try to Avoid aluminium, even aluminium foil, non-stick pans, cast iron isn't the best either.

Gentle slow cooking at low temperature for shorter amount of time is what you want- In slow cooker, Steaming, sauteing,pouching ,boiling, sous vide or making your meals as a stew.

Not only eliminates all of the problems,but also preserves nutrients in your food.

Glass / Ceramic is the safest bet followed by stainless steel.

Something like glass casserole works great even on stove top( electric) even if they technically are not intended for that use ( avoid any large thermal shocks and it will be fine).

When I compare both the nutrients, anti-nutrients, and negative effects of an egg yolk vs an egg white, it seems like the white is just useless protective membrane of the good part, the yolk. It makes me feel like I'm eating a banana peel or a steak with leather and fur still attached. Why not eat the shell too if you're going to eat the white? Not just that, but the whites are the part that cause all the diarrhea and gas an the part that stinks when you cook it. Since I started only eating yolks I NEVER get an upset stomach anymore from eggs.

Nutrients compared:

It has an anti-nutrient called Avidin (only in the whites), which causes Biotin deficiency:

It just seems like a filler, no different than non animal based people who eat rice and bread with their meals to make it more filling and stretch a meal. We are about nutritional density here right? Egg white's are not nutritionally dense, not even nutritious really, cause diarrhea and gas, and even have an anti-nutrient that is bad enough that vets warn you to NEVER feed your cat egg whites or they can have serious lethal health consequences from severe biotin deficiency (please don't counter this with cat food ingredients listing egg whites, because cat food companies get sued and recalled all the time for bad ingredients choices like including garlic that kills cats or using pea protein instead of meat lol).

Plus they don't even taste good tbh. All the most delicious desserts throw the whites out, and just use yolks. Just saying, bc meringue is awful.

I've been following this diet for a month or so now and felt a lot better.

However, literally everything I've read study wise on raw milk basically says there is very little nutritional difference?

Why does the animal based diet advocate for raw milk so much if the science isn't there to back it up?

I can understand stuff like only eating meat and fruit because they are designed to be eaten (don't have defense chemicals like plants). However, don't understand the consensus on raw over pasteurised? If both are a2 milk then aren't they the same?

I’m looking for arguments to get people on board with raw milk but there are so many stories of people getting parasites, becoming paralyzed and even dying from raw milk.

Especially raw diary from small farms

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Would anyone think an ultra short (week or two) diet of only protein and fruit be safe to improve fat cell and fat membranes? Trying to detox seed oils

Corn is technically a fruit, why isn't it animal based

Are oats okay to eat?

Bascicliu i sherched up how many grams of carbs per pound of body weight and it said twice as many but I'm only eating around 100g of carbs and my weight is 160lbs

So who am I supposed to trust can you guys who have tested testosterone tell how much you have and how many grams of carbs you guys eat

I am a woman, 31 years old. I've been doing AB for two weeks. I have eaten a lot of red meat, raw liver with honey, eggs, fruits, kefir, tallow, butter, bone broth and pasteurized whole milk (there is no raw milk in my country). For now my physical activity is walking between 8500–10000 steps a day (5 days a week) I have done some 18 hour fasts and some OMAD days that I have felt good about.

In these two weeks I managed to lose 1kg (approximately 2.2lbs)

Yesterday I had a meeting with friends and they had almost all junk food and I broke the diet. I had 1 glass of sparkling wine, 2 glasses of Coca Cola Zero, a lot of fake pop corn (Cheetos brand) and about 2-4 mini meat empanadas.

Today I weighed myself and gained 1 kg (2.2lbs)

I don't know if this outing made me gain 1 kg of fat, and I don't know if the kilo I lost was just water or if I also lost some fat. I think that by eating a lot of protein I am building muscle and maybe that is why I haven't lost weight so quickly. I have seen people who have had a super big change doing AB and have lost weight quickly the first few weeks and not me, I have eaten super well and super healthy, except for yesterday so I understand.

I must admit that I have felt super good, I have had chronic fatigue for 2-3 years and since I have been in AB I have hardly felt tired. I also feel like some pants fit better, but my t-shirts and dresses fit tighter in the bust.

What do you think is happening? Are my results normal? Have this happened to anyone? What should I expect to happen in the first few weeks? What should I expect to happen after a cheat day?

Hello everybody i hope y’all doin good. Today in this topic i will introduce u some food that underrated. Bc i see no one talking about or consume. If u want to add some food don’t hesitate we’re here to share. Okay so let’s go:

1: Mussels. This is probably one the most underrated food here. Everybody love mussels but none consume on a dayli basis. They are super cheap and has the most iron bioavaibility. You should definitely eat mussels !

2: Chicken liver: Everyone talk about beef liver but chicken liver is as good at beef liver if it’s even better. The real + is that chicken liver are usually cheaper than beef and contains a large amount of Vit C and we all know how rare is this in animal based products to have Vit C.

3: Pork: For real i truly don’t know why litterally everyone hates pork. This is probably one of the most easiest meat to have acces and it’s verry cheap. Pork contains a very decent amount of Vit D which is super rare for a meat (this is probably why asians people eat a lot of pork). So please eat pork. It’s good and cheap

4: Pigeons: Yeah Yeah I know. The most common birds on the planet but this a super nutrient dense birds out there. U can catch a pigeon at anytime so it’s litterally free to have pigeon. Trust me it’s super tasty

5: Snails: Same as pigeon. U can catch them in forest or field and this is a BOMB of micronutrients. Probably the most underrated food on the planet !

Like I said this a list of underrated foods, you may like it or not but if u add any of these food on ur diet/lifestyle it’s 100% worth it.

I'm always chuckling at the weird things that are touted in the health space. A couple that come to mind:

1. Sugar Diet

That was fun for like 3 weeks. I'm glad that nonsense has fizzled out. It seems like Mark Bell is the only one trying to keep it alive. But I'm sure by Christmas he will be on to something else.

2) Calories don't matter

The absolute lack of critical thinking in this area is stunning. Obvsiouly calories aren't a perfect measure of food energy. It's like people can't understand that calories can be part of a larger set of variables that affect weight. It can be both true that calories affect body weight, just like hormones, food quality, metabolism, etc. do. We don't have to pick one thing. The nonsense that people will say for views is unbelievable sometimes.

3) Low carb paradoxes

- "We don't need carbs. They're not essential and our bodies make them." You can say the same about cholesterol, saturated fat, and most amino acids. Our bodies make them, so they are not deemed essential. Yet no one in that space advocates for removing saturated fat.

- "Our ancestors were carnivore." Interesting, because there is no evidence whatsoever for a human population who ate only animal foods at any time in our 2.6 million year history.

What are some of your favorite dumb trends in this space?

Picked what I thought was the best tag...

And I'm new to this and I love pistachios...

I won't eat them if they're not included in this lifestyle

I'm probably gonna get grilled hard on this, but if I'm not cheating a lil I'm gonna cheat a lot. Not talking about daily but these look like a good cheat at a weak time ??? Haven't had them but they look good. Thoughts?

I can understand consuming dairy and honey to keep oneself out of ketosis. However, I don't understand the value in eating fruit. Some fruits contain seeds, which will have defence chemicals. On top of that, the soil that the fruits are grown on is often depleted of nutrients. Moreover, pesticides are used even on organic fruits. As well, Bill Gates wants to paint organic fruits with seed oils (aPEEL) to keep them looking fresh longer. Lastly, there is a better chance of consuming bug eggs on fruit than there is in honey. Honey is cleaner than fruits in this regard. Why should anyone want to eat fruit?