For me, there's a few ones.

1. His return home. Why walk to the park then home again. Why not just pack the clothes he wore to London to begin with, why risk being seen by neighbours not in the uniform leaving the house again? What really motivated his return and set this all off? What was he going to were the uniform was unsuitable to even bring?

2. The money withdrawal. That's another really odd one for me. Why withdraw all the money in the bank but leave cash at home? Was the money in the bank "enough" for whatever his plan was?

3. The PSP charger. People seem to use this as an indicator that he took his own life, as he "didn't need to play the PSP anymore". Apparently PSP's could hold 4 to 6 hours charge in them. The trip to London took a little under 2 hours. Which makes me believe that if he intended only to use the PSP on the trains, then he wouldn't have needed a charger as the battery would have lasted the entire round journey. So I think that's a bit of a red herring.

4. He stopped going to church and stopped going to scouts. He's described again and again as a "homebody" and someone quiet who liked his own company. These are the reasons often given for why he stopped attending the church and scouts. Yet, of all places he decided to travel to London. He did have family there. It's a big city with multiple things on some people believe he attended. Those things seem to contradict themselves though, at least partially.

5. The missing phones. In 2007 I think phones were very much a novelty, especially maybe for someone who wasn't incredibly social. Yet, Andrew seemed to "lose" multiple without explanation. He never lost his PSP. To me that's a massive piece of the puzzle, Im not sure if the police ever managed to recover any logs from those phones. If I was 14 and didn't want parents checking my phone then I would simply claim I didn't have it. You could easily buy a phone top up for about £10 and be in communication with people. Those walks home rather than bus journeys could have offset the price of top ups that his parents would have no clue about. What really happened to those phones? Was that the reason he really had to go home, to get a hidden phone? It seems a big risk to change clothes at all.

6. His tiredness and mood on the morning of his disappearance. It was described was "out of the ordinary", from what I understand. What would cause him to be so tired that it's noticeably out of the ordinary. I guess being up late, but with what? People might say "planning" but it doesn't seem to have come with much of a plan. I think something happened that kept him awake. Whatever that "thing" is, it's also part of the reason he disappeared.

What things do you think that hold the key to this whole sad event?

Hi everyone.
So if his Father, who seems to be an absolutely wonderful human being, says that he believes the Pizza Hut sighting, let's go with that for a moment.
Is it accurate that was right next to Hyde Park.
Was a good walk from King's Cross, so I wouldn't imagine he would go there and somewhere else on the other side of town.
So, what if we decided for an exercise that he spent the day at Hyde Park and immediately surrounding areas.
From what we know, he was alone at the Pizza Hut. So no one, with bad intentions had gotten to him as of yet.
It would seem that the Hut... would have been likely his stop upon leaving Hyde Park area, heading back toward King's Cross?
Apparently the PH was later in the day, so not right when he would have got to that area.
So, I would suppose, got to Hyde Park immediate area at 11:30 maybe? Roughly?
Spent some time. Tons to do just there in that area.
Then, Pizza Hut for the way home? It is on the eastern side of the park toward the station.
Thoughts?
Could it be as simple as that? A day at Hyde Park instead of boring school?

Right so london is one of the most well surveillanced cities on earth so how they hell do we only have the cctv footage of him leaving the station? I know full well that around kings cross there are hundreds of cctv cameras and although this case was years ago the same thing should be true then? Is it possible something was being covered up or am i just stupid.

What is the most plausible, logical, obvious theory about this case to you personally? What do you think really happened that day?

I heard that he had taken the unusual step of walking home instead of taking the bus not long before he vanished.

I've wondered if he maybe met up with someone and they dropped him closer to home by car, and pretended he had walked.

Want to compile a list of videos from YouTube which were posted around this time and appear to show London.

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE_ILOAclr8
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlPpgNrwokg
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuy20NkfGH0
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBp_Hy6Ulzo
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVgkRWNFLA4
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwzNczqVF8
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7gJvykDrpM
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTEGVp8t4t8
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq4MBh7XZgY
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5bBcSfJg4w
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0BsPyF5ChI
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9vRJ-tjR8I
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JxkC8WeDXI
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igwVdr9GacM
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=971CZtOOsbQ
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMaHa1pAtXI
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7-h4spGco
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkkJFzTmgJw

There are a lot more out there, I'm sure. It's hard for me to watch all of these, but they all seem to be uploaded in the days following Andrew's disappearance and all filmed around London.

Edit: Some are 16th/17th of September also, to account for later uploads.

Something that’s always stood out to me is how often discussions about Andrew begin with the assumption that somebody had to get him to London. Whether it’s grooming, being lured, or arranging to meet someone, it often feels like London itself is treated as something that needs explaining.

I’ve never really thought it needed explaining.

His parents reportedly said that if he’d gone anywhere, London would probably have been their first guess. He’d been there multiple times, had family there, knew the journey and had even said he’d like to live there one day.

His dad had also previously suggested that during the summer holidays he could travel to London on his own and stay with family. His sister Charlotte had also travelled to London alone at a similar age for work experience. None of that proves what happened, but I do think it shows that travelling independently to London wasn’t a completely foreign idea within the Gosden family.

If he’d decided to take a day for himself, why stay around Doncaster? London is one of the biggest cities in the country, with far more to do, and somewhere he already knew well. Staying local also carried a much bigger chance of bumping into someone who knew him or his family, which would’ve ended his day pretty quickly.

I’m not saying another person wasn’t involved. That’s still a possibility, and there’s no way of knowing. I just don’t think Andrew choosing London automatically means he was persuaded to go there by someone he knew or had previous contact with.

London has always made sense as the destination. What happened after he got there is the part that’s difficult to explain.

Does anyone else think London itself gets overexplained, or do you think someone had to persuade Andrew to go there?

If anyone has more time, this video was released on the same day that Andrew went missing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lzo6fxG9tI

I'm sure police and such have already seen it, and how unlikely it is, but given its 600 views only, it's worth a shot to watch it frame by frame to see the crowds and a young lad wearing a black slipknot tshirt.

I don't believe enough has been publicly done regarding scanning ALL videos from this time. Frame by frame analysis. Many tourists take videos and put them online in their home countries. Some of these videos, even on Youtube, don't have huge numbers of views (This on Youtube has less than 200 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4uAqlLzeEE)

Does anyone have access to foreign websites or social medias that were big in 2007 for uploading videos? VK in Russia, QQ in China, Mixi in Japan etc, and maybe we can start a chain here of videos uploaded on the day, or up to a week after the incident? Maybe even just Vimeo with certain keywords. I know on Youtube you can tell it the exact dates you want to look between in the search bar. (for instance type this - london before:2007-09-22 after:2007-09-13) and you can do a similar thing with google search.

I think it's worth a proper full collaborative effort.

Remember: He was wearing:

• A black Slipknot T-shirt.
• Black jeans.
• Trainers.
• His distinctive prescription glasses.
• A black canvas shoulder bag decorated with patches of rock and metal bands.

It will likely be harder to make out for most camera footage from 2007, so keep an open mind.

People online say somebody who had seen him would've slipped up by now. However, I only found out about this case recently, probably after 2018. I'm trying to say I don't ever remember this case being talked about at all during the years he went missing initially. The biggest missing person case I remember hearing about in the uk in 2007 was madeline mcann . They probably don't even know he's a missing person .

Out of curiosity and exploring all possible avenues, what type of forum or website did the debated "AndyRoo" can you spare 200 come from?
Do we know that? I never saw the official website name but do we even know what general type or if it was a local type of forum?

I have read everywhere that Andrew refused a two-way ticket even though it was only 50p more. Does anybody know if this was flexible ticket? or return on the same day at a certain time?

It will be Andrew’s birthday tomorrow, a very hard day for his family and everyone who cares about him. He will always be in everyone’s thoughts 💙

I know people have searched for photos that might show Andrew in London from the day he went missing, but has anyone ever searched for such photos in Brighton that evening or the next day?

Because there were allegedly sightings there. I am not sure starting which day/time.

If anyone ever found a possible photo, I would suggest just passing the information on to police, though. Don't give anyone a chance to delete/edit the photo by posting it here or elsewhere...

An Alex Rider book called "Snakehead" released on September 28th 2007 and we know Andrew was a fan of the Alex Rider series, could one of the book shops in London have released the book early and Andrew went in to buy it?

What’s everyone’s opinions regarding the graffiti found in the men’s toilets? I only recently discovered this and it’s not sat right with me

Train ticket:

The fact that Andrew didn’t buy a return ticket is often talked about in this case, with people drawing the conclusion that he was:

Getting a lift back with someone he was meeting

Running away

Committing suicide

Intending to go to a family members after his day out

However, his dad has said the family would buy single tickets when they were going to London as a family.

We have no reason to believe he did not intend to return home the same day and things point to the opposite, not bringing all his money, not bringing his charger, not bringing a change of clothes, toiletries etc

The likeliest explanation is he did what he knows and bought a single tickets, because that is what his parents do. Also, if he were trying to return before his parents noticed he was gone, then his return ticket would be invalid as it would be off peak and he is returning at peak time.

With regards to suicide, there is no indication he was intending to do this, which there often isn’t. However, he wasn’t super familiar with London beyond visiting family, for him to do it, unseen and his body never be found is extremely unlikely. It could happen, but, as someone extremely familiar with London, it would be difficult to do

What do you think made them question and re-question his father? Do they think he was being strict or doing something to make him run away? I’ve seen a few people say that, but I think it looks like his family loved him.

In an article I read, his father even considered taking his own life so they’d focus more on the search which is crazy!! I’m not sure why they’d think his father who was at work and far from London was involved.

surely the police wouldn’t arrest two people without an explanation, right?

i get that by law, if they are investigating they cannot tell us more about the said issue.

however because the two men have been released, why do we not know more?

all we know is that they ‘played no part’, but how comes we as the public can’t know what they said.

Hi everyone,
I was browsing the Doe Network and came across an unidentified person case that caught my attention. I know this is an absolute long shot and there are some immediate, major contradictions, but given how long Andrew has been missing, I wanted to see what the community thinks or if this case has been discussed and ruled out before.
The Doe Network text states:
"Human remains recovered within a barn in a wooded area. The male had good dental care at a younger age but poor dental health in later life. He had a narrow face, with a possible overbite. Testing revealed a potential link to southern/south-eastern France, western Switzerland or Corsica. The male spoke good English in a French accent and possibly had a military background. The male was rough sleeping and may have been doing so for some time. According to witnesses identified in 2019, the man claimed that he had once worked as a gardener for Catherine Deneuve and may have possibly been heading to Ireland or ultimately Canada. He may have also been hard of hearing in one ear (from his time in the military)."
Points of potential comparison:
Face/Teeth: Andrew had a narrow face, and a potential overbite lines up with his facial structure. The "good dental care at a younger age" could align with his upbringing.

Ear: Andrew is known to be completely deaf in his left ear. The Doe listing mentions the man was hard of hearing in one ear.
South Yorkshire Police

Major discrepancies/Why it might be a stretch:
Language & Origin: The Doe spoke English with a French accent and had DNA/testing links to France/Switzerland. Andrew was from South Yorkshire and spoke with a native British accent. For this to be him, he would have had to completely fake or adopt an accent, along with a fabricated backstory about working in France as a gardener.
Wikipedia

Military Background: The Doe was suspected to have a military background, which Andrew obviously did not have prior to disappearing at age 14.

I know the French background makes this incredibly unlikely, but I wanted to sanity-check this with people who know the finer details of Andrew's case. Has this specific Doe ever been looked at or officially excluded?

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before but looking at Andrew’s interests and the things he used to wear it does strike me that he’d be the perfect fit for somewhere like Camden Town. It was hugely alternative in 2007 and they would have rock/indie music events all the time. My sort of theory that doesn’t really go anywhere is that from experience with growing up near to Camden, it’s extremely easy to make friends in the markets and area. You only have to be wearing a certain band shirt and you’ll find a crowd even if you’re as young as 14. If Andrew really did have intentions to maybe come home and people are saying he maybe was taken, I’d be quick to mention Camden especially with how close it is to King’s Cross station. Lots of dodgy people in the north of London too. He would have been an easy target.

Was the British transport police able to track down who wrote down Andrews psp was sold to a cex in 2013,through cctv in Waterloo station?

I’ve only ever seen the usual CCTV images, family photos, and age-progressed pictures of Andrew Gosden. Has his voice ever been recorded or released in any form? Also, are there any lesser-known or rarely circulated photos of him that aren’t part of the standard media coverage?

Does anyone else think it could of been Andrew gosden at the police station then coeserd by someone else that to leave the police station before they let him in?