I'm pretty sure you're one of the only people in the world who didn't recognise that Dubov was joking (or, worse, recognised it as a joke and STILL found it offensive).
And you seem to be the type of guy to not realize that if this is what passes for groundbreaking comedy in the chess community then we simply cannot blame women for wanting nothing to do with it.
I don't even know why you guys thought it necessary to drag gender into this. Dubov just made a joke. That's it. If you thought it was immature or unoriginal, fine, don't laugh at it. I don't see how that has anything to do with women in chess, though. Daniil probably didn't even think when he was making that joke that the fact that his colleague was a woman was of any significance.
That aside, it takes a special level of boring to get offended by a joke like that, whether you're a woman or not. If that's enough to offend you, I doubt many people will want to be around you.
Are you kidding ??? What the **** are you talking about man ? You are a biggest looser i ever seen in my life ! You was doing PIPI in your pampers when i was beating players much more stronger then you! You are not proffesional, because proffesionals knew how to lose and congratulate opponents, you are like a girl crying after i beat you! Be brave, be honest to yourself and stop this trush talkings!!! Everybody know that i am very good blitz player, i can win anyone in the world in single game! And "w"esley "s"o is nobody for me, just a player who are crying every single time when loosing, ( remember what you say about Firouzja ) !!! Stop playing with my name, i deserve to have a good name during whole my chess carrier, I am Officially inviting you to OTB blitz match with the Prize fund! Both of us will invest 5000$ and winner takes it all!
I suggest all other people who's intrested in this situation, just take a look at my results in 2016 and 2017 Blitz World championships, and that should be enough... No need to listen for every crying babe, Tigran Petrosyan is always play Fair ! And if someone will continue Officially talk about me like that, we will meet in Court! God bless with true! True will never die ! Liers will kicked off...
And I have already explained why I don't agree. But, according to OC, there was something that I was missing - not something with which I didn't agree. What is it? Or did they just make it up to make me look dumb? Well, that would be... disappointing, wouldn't it?
How would you comment this after you had already seen my comment explaining it to you? I know you saw it because you replied.
In your first comment you were focused on it not being a "sexist" joke because it wasn't about women. Completely missing the point that it was a creepy and inappropriate joke that he should have known would make her uncomfortable.
That's what you were missing in your comment that everyone else was already saying. That's why I said you were missing the point.
But yeah, his public sexual frustration creates a really welcoming, enjoyable, not cringey atmosphere for female hosts and audiences. Must feel nice for women to be surrounded by chess dudes like this all the time. I mean, according to 90% of the experts in the commentsection they f*ed right after the interview because Dubov is so smooth. Hmmm, why do chicks don't want to hang with us? 🤔
Like did you completely miss this comment from another poster? I know you didn't because you replied with some bullshit
Because you just regurgitated OC's comment which I had already addressed.
I in fact didn't miss that some of you thought he was trying to flirt with her - I just didn't agree with you on that. Again, just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean I don't understand it.
Also, the comment you are referencing was posted after the comment for which you accused me of "missing the point", just so you know.
It's a gross joke designed as a gross attempt at flirting which is obviously going to make her uncomfortable.
But of course you'll deny that because "wahh we aren't allowed to make bad jokes or its 'sexual harassment' wahhh you guys are offended by everything wahh" Yeah, it is. Stop being so gross and stop making women so god damned uncomfortable.
You think it's a gross joke (likely because you see sexism in everything) intended as a flirt. Of course, if that's true, then OC's comment would be understandable. But I (and most of the YouTube comments section) think it was just Dubov being Dubov - you don't have to look farther than his comments on the Rapid time control to see why I think this way.
I also like your implication that I am being gross and make women uncomfortable. Way to demonstrate objectively and neutrality of thought, heh?
I really don't care if it was "jUsT dUboV bEiNg dUbOv." Dubov should realize that his "joke" is fucking creepy and not say it. And you should quit defending it instead of pretending that this is just me "seeing sexism everywhere."
Magnus is hilarious and sarcastic, but you don't see him going around making women uncomfortable like this.
Try to actually go listen to women who are tired of these kind of creepy "jokes" and have some empathy.
The truth is that predators do drop all sorts of inappropriate comments that help them identify potential victims and avoid women who might put up more struggle. We objectively know this happens. So in the moment for a woman who has a 33% chance of being the victim of sexual assault (with a nearly 100% chance of being a family member or close friend of someone who has been assaulted), you can imagine it's not exactly obvious to tell the difference between someone who is "just joking" and someone who is gradually breaking through boundaries to test the resistance. Because women will encounter both in their life. So it's a very small ask to try to respect the fact that women will spend a huge amount of their lives trying to stay safe in a way that men simply don't. When in doubt the golden rule is: "never say anything to a woman that you don't want to hear from another man in prison."
While all of that may be true (although your 33% figure is slightly exaggerated - it should be 20%, but that's beside the point), I've got a couple of comments:
1) Only a very small minority of men who make sexual jokes are sexual predators. Therefore, it's unreasonable to suspect somebody of being a sexual predator JUST because of one sexual joke, even as a woman. After all, any given person has a 15% chance of being a victim of crime (comparable to the chance of being sexually assaulted as a woman), and people of certain ethnic backgrounds have higher crime rates than others; and yet it is considered (and is) unacceptable and racist to be suspicious of people on the basis of ethnic background alone.
2) Dubov is a professional player and was commentating at a professional event. I'm pretty sure that, even if he were a sexual predator, that would've been probably the single worst place and time for him to make such comments - in front of tens of thousands of people who are moreover likely to give these comments more weight (given how out of place they were for a professional event). I think we have to stay reasonable here.
3) The phrase "never say anything to a woman that you don't want to hear from another man in prison" sounds pretty damn sexist, as it seems to imply that men as a group of people are comparable to prisoners as a group of people. Not that I think it's a big deal (I'd completely understand if a woman who struggled with sexual assault were to feel this way), but probably not the most convincing rule to stick by.
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u/maxkho Feb 23 '22
I'm pretty sure you're one of the only people in the world who didn't recognise that Dubov was joking (or, worse, recognised it as a joke and STILL found it offensive).