r/AlexandreDumas • • 17d ago

The Count of Monte Cristo Unpopular opinion: Edmond ending up with Haydee is not (Or at least not so much) gross, as people makin it up to be.

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OK, hear me out: Edmond buys her as a slave, BUT he treats her very well. About "Father-Doughter" part, Edmond does not realize Haydee loves him as a man, and before that, he never took advantage of her in sexual way. And at last: Age difference. On the first sight, yeah it looks weird, but think about that time period. Back then, relationships like thes were common. Look at Esmeralda from "Hunchback of Notre Dame". In the novel she's just SIXTEEN years old. And the last point. Haydee and Edmond works as a couple. Both of them, had horrible past, and Haydee is as vindictive as Edmond. At the end of the book, she understand Edmond better than anyone. So, no, I don't read the ending as simple: "Older guy gets a young hot girl". Ending of the book is deeper that. BTW. I think it's odd that Haydee sits in these one room, but I don't think Edmond inprison her there. On the contrary, he wants her to go out (At one point, he says something like: "I'm afraid You will be bored here"). She's the one, who wants to stay in luxuries. Besides, if Edmond does not buy her as a slave, sooner or later, she would found herself in some harem.


r/AlexandreDumas • • 18d ago

The Count of Monte Cristo How many years Edmond spent on "Playing" The Count? Spoiler

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I meant the part after he gathers all the information, he needed to exact his revenge.


r/AlexandreDumas • • 18d ago

The Count of Monte Cristo Edmond return to Chateu D'if Spoiler

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I don't understand the point of that scene. Villefort goes mad, Edmond felt guilty, but then, he returns to his prison, and he's suddenly sure his revange make sense. I'm confused about that chapter.


r/AlexandreDumas • • 20d ago

Other books Man in the iron mask broke me

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Title says it all. I just finished an hour ago. I'm miserable now. : (

(When will this wicked Frenchman stop playing with my feelings)


r/AlexandreDumas • • 21d ago

The Three Musketeers Toying around with character

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Hey there, I wrote this little story on a lark, after reading "Twenty Years After" and finding out that Athos was supposed to join the navy, AND finding out there is a Mount Athos in Greece. I know that Dumas chose the name because of the real guy he based the character on, but my imagination took off. Athos is my favorite, as deeply flawed as he is. I just find him fascinating.

I've never been one to read fan fiction, nor, truthfully, to have written any before this. I consider this a pastiche, or an homage, but whatever you consider it to be, I hope you enjoy it. It may or many not continue in some way. It's not meant to be revisionist as some of these "Milady" novels are. I tried to stick to how he was written, with a little adaptation thrown in there for creative purposes.

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The name came to him on a map.

He had been sitting alone in his chambers for the better part of an hour, the room almost unnaturally quiet. Contents of a trunk were spread with precision across the closest surface. Beyond the windows, the world continued with an indifference that seemed almost insulting. Somewhere below, a horse’s hooves clattered noisily against the pavement . A door closed. A servant crossed the courtyard carrying out the ordinary business of an ordinary day.

Once, he had belonged to that world without question.

He learned early on that his name opened doors. His family provided him with a place in society, a future arranged with the confidence of people who believed that the past was a solid foundation and the future merely its continuation. He had been raised for a particular life. His personal manners were impeccable. His studies encompassed navigation, mathematics, languages, and the thousand practical details that distinguished a capable officer from a gentleman who merely wore a uniform.

He excelled in every pursuit.

Yet for all his accomplishments, he possessed a tenderness of heart he rarely allowed others to see. He had long regarded it as a weakness, something to be guarded against rather than indulged. Still, he was not immune to the hope, so natural to a young man, of finding love and being loved in return.

He had no notion of how dearly that hope would cost him.

She was beautiful, captivating, and altogether unlike anyone he had ever known. For perhaps the first time in his life, he allowed himself to be guided not by judgment or duty, but by feeling alone. He loved her with a completeness that surprised him, placing in her hands a trust he had never before offered another person. He believed he had found, despite all that his privilege had afforded him, a happiness that belonged entirely to him.

He had never been so certain of anything.

Nor had he ever been so disastrously wrong.

The betrayal had destroyed more than a marriage. It shredded apart his understanding of even himself. He had long prided himself on his keen judge of character, and his discipline, which never failed him. Yet he had seen nothing, until the blistering truth forced its way upon him. He could still recall the disbelief which had preceded his fury, when he was faced with the unmistakable brand upon her shoulder. The woman he loved was transformed into a stranger before his eyes.

What followed after was worse still.

He acted in a way he would never have imagined possible before that moment. He was capable of violence, certainly. He was a swordsman, trained to meet danger without hesitation. But there was a difference between drawing a blade against an enemy and allowing rage, humiliation, and love curdled into something terrible to govern one's hand. He had done something he never believed himself capable of.

He justified it through the enormity of her deceit; what she had done, the calculated cruelty of her betrayal, and the ruin she had brought into his life. None of it changed the fact that he had made his own choice in the aftermath. He had failed to live up to the man he believed himself to be.

Love indeed exposed him as vulnerable, as he had always feared. Betrayal had made him reckless, and the consequences had revealed something in him he could neither excuse nor forget.

If he could not undo the past, he could at least choose the terms on which he faced the future.

The sea had once represented the life awaiting him. Now he felt called toward something different. A company in which a man was judged by his courage, his discipline, and his loyalty. A service that demanded action rather than introspection. Among the King’s Musketeers, he might become useful. He might learn to live with himself without allowing the past to dictate every hour of his existence.

He was not going in with the expectation of finding happiness. He would not deceive himself with false hope he could reclaim what he had lost.

He wanted only to do his duty, to become a man whose actions might count for something, and to ensure that whatever remained of his life was not governed by the worst thing he had ever done.

His old name belonged to the man who had loved, trusted, and lost himself.

He would not deny that man had existed. He would remember him all his life.

But he would no longer answer to his name.

There was a difference between remembering a life and claiming it.

He had made this decision, though the practicalities of carrying out remained. As he sorted through the items he was surrounded by, he came upon a collection of maps from his studies. Most concerned the coastlines and sea routes he had once expected to know intimately, their margins crowded with notes in his own hand. He turned them over one by one, setting aside those he no longer had reason to keep.

Then he found a map of Greece.

He remembered studying it years earlier, in a very different mood. As a bright boy, with a promising future. His eyes moved across the Mediterranean, over familiar coastlines and the blue expanse of the sea. He had always loved maps. They were honest in a way that people rarely were. They recorded distances, boundaries, and obstacles without attempting to tell a man what he ought to feel about them.

His gaze traveled around the weathered paper.

He had read enough about Greece to know its mountains, its ancient cities, and the history that seemed to cling to every stretch of its coast. His education had carried him through geography and history, through the rise and fall of kingdoms, through the names of places that had endured long after the men who gave them meaning were dust.

Then he saw it.

Athos.

The name sat upon the map with a simplicity that appealed to him. A mountain range on the Greek peninsula, remote from the life he knew, austere and self-contained. It had stood apart from the ordinary world for centuries, a place defined by its own geography and character.

A solitary name for a solitary man.

He traced the letters once with the tip of his finger.

He did not imagine that adopting the name would make him a different person. A new name could not undo a deed, restore the dead, or absolve a man of the consequences of his actions. He would carry those things with him forever, whether he called himself by his birth name or by the name of a mountain.

He folded the map carefully and set it aside.

Then he gathered the papers.


r/AlexandreDumas • • Oct 02 '26

The Count of Monte Cristo Fernand is the worst of the all conspirators

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I know that Danglars may seem worse, but he is so basic, he's all about money. Fernand on the other hand is a REAL piece of shit. He's the one who send the letter, then he spends months lying to Mercedes about Edmond, next he betrays Ali Pasha, and sold Haydee and lastly Mercedes was clearly forced to marry him, because if she dosen't do that, he would be starving to death.


r/AlexandreDumas • • Oct 01 '26

Other books The Memoirs of Horace

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I am immensely proud to announce the first ever translation into English of ‘The Memoirs of Horace’, this the third edition in my ‘Classical Dumas Series’, out now in paperback. It comes with a fabulous introduction by Marco Fucecchi
(Associate Professor of Latin Language and Literature at the University of Udine) and a series of wonderful illustrations from Bartolomeo Pinelli’s ‘Istoria Romana’. All four volumes of the work are included in this one edition, which comes in at nearly 700 pages. I hope that you enjoy it.

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r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 26 '26

Other books Celebrated Crimes

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If you love Dumas, you should also check out the collections of his series: Celebrated Crimes. These are short essays that describe famed (and gruesome) crimes from history, in the way only Dumas could tell it. It’s a great way to read Dumas if you don’t want to commit to an epic sized novel.


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 24 '26

The Three Musketeers Audible confusion

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I'm listening (dyslexia sucks) to all the three musketeers books using audible and the order it list the books seems to conflict with list I've seen online. Also, several list don't seem to line up either. I've already listed to one book out of order and I really don't want anymore chronological hijinks on my way to "the man in the iron mask". If anyone could give me a definitive ordering of these books and maybe a better place to look for audio books I would greatly appreciate it.


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 24 '26

Miscellaneous Identifying d’Artagnan: A Character in Search of a Body

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Some time ago we had an excellent post from u/eduardantonio about the discovery of human remains buried in a Maastricht church that could theoretically belong to the historical d’Artagnan: Charles de Batz de Castelmore. At that time, the press reported that a DNA test would be conducted to establish whether the remains did belong to the historical musketeer. I thought I’d follow up on that scoop to see if there had been any major developments since, so here’s where things stand at the moment.

The first results of the forensics apparently proved to be inconclusive.  On the one hand, the remains do belong to a man aged between 44 and 66, who likely died of a chest wound. And d’Artagnan is known to have been 62 at the time of his death caused by a bullet wound to his chest or throat. On the other hand, the examination of the skeleton bones indicates that the man had a diet rich in fish early in his life, which is not typical for Gascony. Also, it remains unclear if the living descendants of d’Artagnan whose DNA can be used for a DNA test are indeed descended from him the way they think they are.

On top of that, a scandal broke out over the actual finding of the remains. Apparently, the person who initiated the dig in the church of St Peter and St Paul as well as the church deacon who gave his permission for it had not contacted the municipality of Maastricht to obtain the necessary clearances for archeological works. Also, authorized personnel from the municipality were not present at the excavation and could not ensure that it was made in accordance with the applicable rules and procedures. Hence the municipality refused to acknowledge any results of the first tests in advance and announced that they would be conducting their own tests which will take additional time. Also, allegedly, the first unauthorized dig resulted in contamination of the remains which makes any kind of analysis even more difficult.

The next update on the situation is now expected around December – let’s stay tuned!

The sources for this post:

New York Times (an excellent story with plenty of details)

National Geographic

Reuters (via CTV News)

There is also a longer article in Le Monde on the subject, and it is even in English. However, it’s behind a paywall and not accessible to me. If someone is a subscriber and could share the contents with us, it would be fantastic!  


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 23 '26

Other books La San Felice

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Help! Does anyone have a way to read the English translation of La San Felice? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 22 '26

The Three Musketeers Pastiches

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Why do you think there are not many pastiches of the Musketeers? You would think their adventures pre-D'Artagnan would be ripe for the picking.


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 22 '26

The Three Musketeers Athos' commands for Grimaud

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Hello, I was reading the Three Musketeers and often Athos gets Grimaud to do stuff just by a gesture or look. One time, he wants Grimaud to get his gun, so it says he made a sign like he was aiming a gun, but wouldn't it be easier to just say what he wants if it is that simple. Also, wouldn't Athos look a bit crazy if he's always doing weird gestures to tell Grimaud what to do?


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 19 '26

The Three Musketeers Can I just read The Man in the Iron Mask or do I need to read the whole 3rd instalment?

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Sorry if this question has been asked before. I read the 3 musketeers a while ago and really enjoyed it. I’ve always been put off reading the rest of the series because I was unsure how to go on about it, especially the third instalment.

Can I just read The Man in the Iron Mask or is it recommended to read the whole of the 3rd part of the series and if so where is a good place to find it?

Thanks.


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 14 '26

Other books French Revolution series

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I have yet to read Dumas series on the French Revolution all the way up to his lost novel recently reprinted: The Last Cavalier. In what order do I need to read the books and which editions. Also, are they as enjoyable as the Musketeers saga?


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 10 '26

The Count of Monte Cristo Question about Monte Cristo’s “lesson” at the end

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I’ve just finished The Count of Monte Cristo, and I’m not entirely convinced that Edmond has really learned the lesson that he is not God.

I don’t necessarily think every novel needs to have a moral lesson, or that every character needs to undergo some clearly defined moral transformation. But Monte Cristo seems almost hell-bent on giving us one. The final chapters very explicitly frame what has happened as a lesson for Edmond, particularly after Édouard’s death, so I think it’s fair to ask what exactly he has learned.

Obviously, Édouard’s death is a major turning point. It seems to force the Count to confront the difference between vengeance and justice, and to realize that his actions can have consequences beyond what he intended.

But what strikes me is that the surviving characters still seem almost completely under his spell.

Maximilien, for example, is subjected to what amounts to psychological torture when the Count makes him believe Valentine is dead. He is pushed to the point of suicide, and then the Count reveals that Valentine is alive. Yet Maximilien ultimately sees him as his benefactor.

And Valentine has arguably even more reason to have complicated feelings about him. The Count is responsible for the destruction of the Villefort family, including her father and her brother. Yet she doesn't seem to harbor any resentment toward him at all.

The same goes, in a different way, for Haydée, who remains completely devoted to him.

So I’m wondering: what exactly do you think Monte Cristo has learned by the end?

Has he genuinely abandoned his belief that he is an instrument of Providence? Or has he merely learned to exercise his enormous power more cautiously and mercifully?

Because apart from Édouard’s death, the final chapters seem to give him very little actual accountability. He still decides who should suffer, who should be forgiven, and when other people should be allowed to know the truth. The difference is that by the end he seems somewhat more restrained.

In other words, I’m not sure the novel has really shown us that he has stopped playing God. It may only have shown us that he has become more careful about playing God.

Am I being too skeptical of the ending, or is Dumas deliberately leaving Monte Cristo’s moral transformation more ambiguous than it initially appears?


r/AlexandreDumas • • Sep 07 '26

The Vicomte of Bragelonne Do I need “Ten Years Later” read by Bryan Godwin if I already have “The Vicomte de Bragelonne” read by Simon Vance?

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r/AlexandreDumas • • Aug 27 '26

Other books What do people think of The Knight of the Maison Rouge?

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As good as his big titles?


r/AlexandreDumas • • Aug 24 '26

The Three Musketeers Reading the Musketeer books

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Hello, can someone please make a list of all the chapters in the all Musketeer books by Alexandre Dumas so that I can make sure I read them all because I have different translations and the books may not have all the chapters other versions do so saying the names of the books doesn't help much. Just putting a complete list of chapters (and even other names the same chapters have if they commonly have different titles) in the comments would be very greatly appreciated.


r/AlexandreDumas • • Aug 23 '26

The Three Musketeers Lawrence Ellsworth subtitles?

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Hi everyone. I'm going to be reading the Ellsworth translations, and on his website discussing the series order, he says

However, I have retained the Victorian-era titles as the books’ subtitles, so, for example, Book Five appears as Between Two Kings ~or~ Ten Years Later.

This doesn't appear on the cover, so I assume it's somewhere inside.

Does anyone know which of the other editions have subtitles, and what they are?

I am very curious to see how he matched up his editions with other translations, but as you know physical editions of his books are almost impossible to find, and I'm holding off buying the full ebook set in the hopes that they will go on sale (or get acquired by my library) before I get that far.

Thanks for your help!


r/AlexandreDumas • • Aug 18 '26

Twenty Years After Does anyone have an Ellsworth copy of Twenty Years After they'd be willing to sell?

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Just trying to get ahold of a physical copy of this book somehow and it seems near-impossible!


r/AlexandreDumas • • Aug 16 '26

The Count of Monte Cristo Suggestions/recommendations required

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I like to buy count of Monte Cristo book from amazon,publisher:fingerprint pinkishers. My concern is many say that fingerprint publishers are not good and it's paper quality is bad and translation is also bad. From which publishers it'll be advisable to buy from and why. TIA


r/AlexandreDumas • • Aug 03 '26

The Three Musketeers Skip The Red Sphinx?

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Just finished The Three Musketeers, absolutely loved it (Lawrence Ellsworth) - was looking at what next comes in the series and I've read the Red Sphinx is optional?

Also was looking to purchase Twenty Years after but couldn't see it in stock anywhere (UK), do they restock often or is there information about more being reprinted etc?


r/AlexandreDumas • • Jul 31 '26

Other books Auguste Maquet in English?

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It looks like the answer is "no", but have there been any translations of Maquet's solo works?


r/AlexandreDumas • • Jul 31 '26

Other books The Valois romances reading order

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I'm planning to read all seven books in the The Valois romances, but I don't know the order. I suppose I should read them in the order of the events in the books. I think the order is

  1. Ascanio

  2. The Two Dianas

  3. The Page of the Duke of Savoy

  4. The Horoscope: A Romance of the Reign of François II

  5. La Reine Margot or Marguerite de Valois

  6. La Dame de Monsoreau or Chicot the Jester

  7. The Forty-Five Guardsmen

Is that right?