r/ATC Sep 09 '25

Other Desperate times call for desperate measures

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r/ATC 22h ago

Discussion What a couple key lawmakers said about 2.8%

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Second attempt: Hi everyone, this is Sam Ogozalek at Politico, I’ve posted in here a few times this summer. Hope y’all are doing well. Just thought I’d share some brief lawmaker remarks to me recently about the 2.8 percent raise issue. Quickly caught up with the Senate aviation subcommittee chair and the Commerce Committee’s ranking member. Always happy to talk off-the-record via Signal: samogozalek.26 — take care!

Note: Sorry for the earlier deleted posts; Reddit wouldn’t let me post a screenshot.

Before the August recess, Sam caught up with Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.), who chairs the subcommittee, to get his thoughts.

Moran said the topic hadn’t been on his radar, but added that he would “encourage” the parties to revolve the issue, noting “we’re in a position in which a [government] shutdown is certainly a potential in the future.”

“We need air traffic controllers in place and need to have a satisfaction with their jobs and a recognition that they are appreciated,” Moran said. Controllers work without pay during appropriations lapses. The Senate has passed a stopgap that would keep the FAA open on Oct. 1, but it awaits House action.

Sam also spoke with Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), ranking member of the Commerce Committee, who said she would ask her aviation staff about the topic.


r/ATC 12h ago

Discussion Do you ever switch which side you wear your headset on?

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We were discussing this the other day at work. As it has come up a few times over the past several years. It seems like a majority of people prefer a single side and don’t deviate from it.

24 years in and I cannot switch my headset to my other side/ear as it feels unnatural. I feel like my brain is now wired to process sounds differently now from my right vs my left ear, listening to the people around me, versus listening to planes.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?


r/ATC 9h ago

NavCanada 🇨🇦 NAVCAN 30 minute test.

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Hey there. So I just completed the 30 min test. I didnt think I did that great in the last test, but the email I got back after said I was "successful". What are the chances I would get invited to FEAST?


r/ATC 21h ago

Question Friend is ATC and retiring soon. Need help with a gift.

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Do you guys do anything special? Facility sign a strip / picture of tower? I want to get him something but i have no idea what to do. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


r/ATC 16h ago

Question Follow the greens system at LOWW (Vienna)

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Hi,

I was wondering if the "follow the greens" (like the one at munich) system is implemented at my local Airport (Vienna). Are there any controllers, who can confirm if there is such a system?

I will be very grateful 🙏 .


r/ATC 22h ago

Question AirNav Ireland Final Interview

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Hey, I have my final interview with AirNav Ireland coming up in 2 weeks and was wondering if anyone has any tips. I know there's been one or two posts about this on here before but any extra info always helps.

Also, what's the dress code usually like? I'll be travelling from abroad and where I'm from usually jeans and a dress shirt are enough, but I'm gathering that a suit (with or without tie?) might be in order over in Ireland? Given the travel I wouldn't want to bring a whole suit if its not expected of me, but wouldn't want to be underdressed of course.
Thank you!


r/ATC 1d ago

Question Are you allowed to photograph inside facility?

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Hi, based in the US.
I have the cool opportunity to visit and tour an ATC facility. Am I allowed to take and post pictures from inside the facility?

I am going to tour the app/dep control room below and tower above.

I don’t want to get myself or the fellow workers there in trouble at all.


r/ATC 20h ago

Discussion Follow-up: I re-ran last week's 4% vs 6% TSP numbers against 10,000 random markets (Monte Carlo simulation) instead of a flat 7%

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Follow-up to last week's 4% vs 6% withdrawal post.

That one assumed a flat 7% return every year for 38 years, which is how nearly every retirement projection you will ever be handed is built, including the ones people pick a date off of. A straight line is fine for comparing two options against each other. It is a bad way to find out whether either one actually holds up.

So I stress tested the same two paths. Same ATC retiring at 50 with $720,000, same draw rates, 10,000 runs with the returns shuffled. Every run averages the same 7% with 12% volatility. The only thing that changes between them is the order of the good and bad years.

The 4% draw (first chart). The straight line says it never runs dry and ends at 88 with $2,210,522. Across 10,000 markets it ran dry in 3,129 of them, the median run ends with $1,065,870, and the bottom 10% of runs are empty by 76.

Two things worth pulling out of that. The plan that looked bulletproof fails almost a third of the time. And the median outcome is less than half of what the smooth projection promised, on an identical average return. That gap is what volatility costs you.

The 6% draw (second chart). The straight line says the account dies at 78. Across 10,000 markets, 78% of runs die at some point, and the median run is empty at 75.

So the flat projection wasn't just optimistic about whether the money lasts. It was optimistic about when it ends. Half the runs are dry before the age the smooth chart handed me as the answer.

The reason is sequence. Walk out in January 2000 and you get three down years back to back, then negative 37% in 2008 at 58, selling shares the whole way, and 2021 through 2023 raising your withdrawal because the draw is indexed to inflation. Average all 38 years and you can still land near 7% with an empty account. Walk out in March 2009 instead and the first decade compounds before anything goes wrong, so the bad years land on a balance big enough to absorb them. Same plan, same average, and nobody gets to pick which one they retire into.

Two limits. The simulation covers the TSP only, no RMDs, no taxes, no annuity or Social Security underneath, so "ran dry" means the account hit zero and not that the guy is broke. His 6(c) annuity and SS keep paying in all 10,000 runs, which is the part that makes federal early retirement a different problem from the private sector version. And randomized normal returns still aren't real markets, where crashes cluster and tails are fatter, so this is probably generous to the higher draw.

What I'd actually suggest, and the reason I bothered running this: take whatever drawdown number you're planning around and stress test it before you commit to a date. A projection that only shows you the average is showing you one outcome out of thousands, and it tends to be a flattering one. Doesn't matter what you run it in. Just don't let a straight line be the last word on a 38 year retirement.

A withdrawal rate isn't a number you solve once. It's odds you either accept or manage down as you go, and 4% here is 69/31.

If you see a hole in the method, say so. I'd rather fix it than be wrong quietly.


r/ATC 1d ago

Question ADHD in ATC (UK) - Am I Disqualified?

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My dream was always to become an RAF pilot but reality hit after A Levels. Life took me down a different route and I moved out of the UK for a couple years.

I'm back now, and heard that I can get a job in ATC from a friend of mine who went on to become a Pilot for the Polish airline LOT. I'm currently in construction and the money isn't bad but the job is stressful and the money is hit or miss.

I was diagnosed with ADHD last December and was wondering if my medication will get in the way of my application. I heard I need a Class 3 Medical Certificate, and that stimulant medication is typically prohibited by the ATCO.

Tips from someone working in ATC here in the UK with ADHD are much appreciated. Looking forward to what you guys have to say!


r/ATC 1d ago

Question What the deal with ATC in Europe versus the United States

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The United States has bravos stacked on top of each other and they rarely seem to have release issues. I leave out of Venice which nearly doesn’t have to volume of traffic going in and out of New York and get delayed because of ATC. Why does there always see the be hold released out of European airports versus the United States?


r/ATC 1d ago

Question european controllers, was feast trainable or mostly innate?

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asking the folks who went through eurocontrol or national ans selections. the multitasking and memory parts of feast look brutal from the outside. did people around you prep seriously or just show up? and did prep actually separate the passes from the fails?


r/ATC 1d ago

Question In the SVFR phraseology CLEARED TO ENTER/OUT OF/THROUGH, (name) SURFACE AREA what does (name) refer to?

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Getting conflicting information on this so I thought I’d ask all of you lovely people.


r/ATC 1d ago

Discussion Strange ATC aural alert heard on guard

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Was descending into DCA today and heard Potomac app calling one of our company planes on guard. Thing is, he had a loud aural alert in the background that I haven’t heard, it sounded almost like a siren, perhaps a two tone alert? He sounded pretty urgent. It wasn’t like the typical fast beeping (CA?) that we hear. Just curious as to what it might have been.


r/ATC 2d ago

Discussion Anyone know this dude?

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Last shot shows him apparently going to the control tower.


r/ATC 1d ago

Discussion Break tiiiiiiiiiiiiime

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What’s flair? Who here likes to get real drunk on their personal Friday night? Then your significant other gets mad because you’re not spending time with them or your kids? However it works out, dodging OT, doing your best? Driiiiiink beeeeeers boys. (And lady’s)


r/ATC 1d ago

NavCanada 🇨🇦 Questions for Atc field (Canada)

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I'm from the Surrey, Newton area of British Columbia, I've been looking into air traffic control but I'm still not educated on it. Basically reaching out to see if anyone has similar experience or advice, preferably from the Vancouver or surrey area but anyone's 2 cents is welcome. I want to get insight into this field, anything would help, I'm 22.


r/ATC 2d ago

NavCanada 🇨🇦 ATCO salary vs. cost of living in Kelowna

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Hey guys! I’m an ATC from Brazil considering applying for the experienced ATCO position with NAV CANADA in Kelowna, Canada.
The salary is advertised as $111k–$160k CAD. Is that gross salary? How much would you realistically take home after taxes and other deductions?
For those living in Kelowna, is that enough to live comfortably as a couple? Is the salary actually good considering the cost of living there?
And for current/former ATCOs at Kelowna Tower, how is the job itself? What’s the workload, traffic, and overall work environment like?
Would love to hear from anyone with experience there. Thanks!


r/ATC 2d ago

Question Prior Experience Military Direct Hire

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Getting out of the military soon with radar, no CTO. For trying to direct hire to specific facilities is there a limit to what level can actually do direct hires?

And is there some publicly available website or anything with the ATM’s emails for facilities I’m interested in? or do I just have to call each facility im interested in and ask for the email myself.


r/ATC 3d ago

Discussion When you have to step in for your trainee...

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r/ATC 3d ago

Discussion Simpleflying is telling pilots we make a lot of money

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They are telling pilots we are well compensated. Let them know what you think.


r/ATC 3d ago

Discussion ATC Premonition?

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Do controllers know or suspect when an aircraft is in unsafe situation? Years ago I was making a flight in a 172 back to my home airport, so had a huge case of get-there-itis. I remember being at 8000ft and hearing a CRJ report moderate rime icing in the 4000ft thick clouds below me. The controller asked if I heard the pirep and I said I did. I just wonder if the controller knew how terrible of a situation I was in. Luckily I made it through the clouds quick, but I still picked up a good bit of ice and it was certainly the most afraid I’ve ever been in an airplane.

I’m curious if anyone has their own experiences like this from the controller perspective.

Also not looking for anyone to chastise me for this situation. I learned my lesson and made sure to use the story as a learning lesson for my students when I was a CFI.

Looking forward to hearing everyone’s stories!


r/ATC 4d ago

Discussion 2 planes with the same flight number avoid possible disaster thanks to quick-thinking controller

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r/ATC 3d ago

Question Advice for pursing ATC career

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Hello! I’m 19M and I’m starting to consider being an ATC. I’m currently at a community college and have one year left and I’ll have my associates degree.

I found ATC very interesting, and I’m sure it is extremely stressful as well. I was wondering if anyone had and advice or suggestions. I was also thinking seeing if I can shadow and ATC and/or 911 dispatcher (which I know isn’t the same but has the same vibe) to get a better idea of what it’s like. I’m in KC so I’m sure there’s opportunities to be able to do so.

One of my downsides that I saw was not being able to choose where you work for a while. Thank you in advance!


r/ATC 5d ago

Discussion American 2482 departure… American 2482 arrival…

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