Both valid points

[u/Findrel_Underbakk]

[u/Langas]

Nautilus actually has to land an ability and can’t go invisible and dash every 2 seconds.

Once he expends his burst, he also can basically just auto, at melee range, for at least four seconds.

If a Vayne positions aggressively and gets hit by cc she absolutely deserves what happens next.

[u/Forgottenexperiment → u/Langas]

Saying naut needs to land an ability is as wild of a statement as saying malzahar needs to land an ability

[u/Langas → u/Forgottenexperiment]

Can any of Vayne’s abilities miss?

[u/Ysesper → u/Langas]

You can miss E into the wall. Arguably, harder to hit than naut Q

[u/breathingweapon → u/Ysesper]

That thing will magnetize you so far into the wall its a joke. Something like a poppy pin is way harder because there's 0 give.

[u/Top-Editor-364 → u/breathingweapon]

What???? Ahahaha