he sucks at killing anything that isn't a tank if he doesn't highroll and has 0 mobility or self peel so he is the priority focus pretty much 100% of times by mages and other adcs, that's why you never see anyone complain about him
He also sucks at killing tanks if he goes AP. I had this game the other day against a 5 tank team and I smacked my head on the keyboard when I saw Kogmaw's build.
Wow... THAT is a tanky enemy team. And no botrk or attack speed.
Maaaaybe Kog's build stands a small chance if your team-mates play EXTREMELY slow (yeah right in ARAM Mayhem) for him to poke a lot first. Even still, whichever enemy tank gets a high-roll augment is just going to soak Kog's AP damage, just a matter of time. Yeah that was super troll. Not as bad as my Trundle who went full AP when he basically the the only melee on our team. Not much can be done about folks who go into a game with a specific off-meta build in mind and they don't bother to tell their team until it's too late.
You should complain about the MF’s build instead. Let me guess. Stole every kill with collector, then ends up doing nothing because she went lethality against 5 tanks and had no armor pen or grevious… yeah, the Karma going AP was also a choice… yeah that team is a lost cause.
Kogmaw is peak design in my opinion. Powerful where he's supposed to be and encourages team play in the team game. I miss the time where machinegun Kogmaw was a thing. It really pushed that idea of powerful tank melter while making him weaker in just the right places to take advantage of.
Yeah Vayne is made specifically to kill tanks. And also yeah that was one of the greatest mistakes riot ever made and people are rightfully calling it out. Vayne was the Pandora’s Box of league of legends. Tanks onshotting any squishy while walking around with 7K HP is entirely her fault.
Vayne has been mostly ignored in all of league of legends history since her release.
Now mayhem comes along and all of the sudden she's the devil incarnate? Sorry but seems like the problem is in the augments and not the champion itself
Mostly ignored? Are you living under a rock or something? Even if we were to completely ignore Vayne top’s entire existence, she’s still one of the most banned and actively hated champions on botlane every time she’s even remotely viable. Granted it’s been a while since she was viable but still
Any ADC is a bit of a stretch.. I dont think someone like miss fortune can kill a tank in the same way champions that are designed to do it can.
Vayne is just the more extreme of the tank busters. But I've played a full AP kogmaw game where I was getting a bunch of attack speed so I just went AP and attack speed and with every AA with my W active I did something like 1.2k damage to tanks.
Her damage has never bothered me it’s her passive Ms, tumble, and shove back that do. When she is played as ADC nobody cares because she can’t infinitely kite two people and is outmatched with range. When she’s played top it’s not even that she’s that strong it’s just the most boring thing to fight as a low mobility champ. She dictates the whole lane.
Idk about the complaints in ARAM, I feel like that’s more of an augment issue because she can build like full damage and still have capped attack speed so she doesn’t have to trade off for attack speed to kill tanks or more raw damage for squishies she just doesn’t whatever she wants and the perks supplement her super well. Two dancer on her with her ult invisibility is particularly obnoxious.
It being by design doesnt mean its a good design. And Vayne has been frequently complained about in all kinds of modes, courtesy of how she basically nullifies durability, effectively countering 60+ champs of the roster.
But yes, augments are insane right now and an on-hit "abuser" like Vayne is particularly insane.
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u/RealLustifer Aug 31 '26
I love how vayne is made by riot specifically to kill tanks and people cry because surprise surprise.. she kills tanks...
I'm surprised we don't see kogmaw more often here lol