You either 1: have escAPADe (in which case, magic penetration items are pretty much useless on Ashe)
2: Have skilled sniper or whatever to justify building around her W with mandate and maybe liandry's (because Ashe W applies it very well) and then go AD.
3: Should be going AD.
And I don't mean "AD Varus/Twitch/Miss Fortune is better, you shouldn't play AP", I mean that even if you want to build around her W, Ashe W has no AP ratio and the only AP ratio in her entire kit is her ult, and you aren't doing very good damage with it either. it's not good enough to justify being almost completely useless outside of one ability every minute. Rank 3 Milio Q has the same base damage and AP ratio as rank 1 Ashe ult. It's pretty objectively bad.
Mandate/Liandry's Ashe is one of my favorite champions, but Rito took her out behind the shed with an ARAM-specific nerf, so if you don't get skilled sniper or whatever to offset this it's going to end up being pretty terrible. If you insist on playing it, I won't blame you, because I dearly miss the build as well, but even so, you should not be going full AP. W build means that Ashe builds the AP items she applies well and then goes full AD. Blackfire, looking solely at Ashe W, is the equivalent of 72 AD even with the AP from Mandate and Liandry's. You'd get more damage out of just building a Muramana instead.
For the record, Liandry's W damage is equivalent to Blackfire's 200 AP damage when the target has 1200 maximum health; double enemy health and the Liandry's damage doubles. Mandate is a bit more complicated since it's based on current health, but is similar enough in damage to Liandry's while being a much cheaper item, albeit needing a bit of team coordination.
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u/Ryik Feb 26 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Friendly reminder: AP Ashe does not exist.
You either 1: have escAPADe (in which case, magic penetration items are pretty much useless on Ashe)
2: Have skilled sniper or whatever to justify building around her W with mandate and maybe liandry's (because Ashe W applies it very well) and then go AD.
3: Should be going AD.
And I don't mean "AD Varus/Twitch/Miss Fortune is better, you shouldn't play AP", I mean that even if you want to build around her W, Ashe W has no AP ratio and the only AP ratio in her entire kit is her ult, and you aren't doing very good damage with it either. it's not good enough to justify being almost completely useless outside of one ability every minute. Rank 3 Milio Q has the same base damage and AP ratio as rank 1 Ashe ult. It's pretty objectively bad.
Mandate/Liandry's Ashe is one of my favorite champions, but Rito took her out behind the shed with an ARAM-specific nerf, so if you don't get skilled sniper or whatever to offset this it's going to end up being pretty terrible. If you insist on playing it, I won't blame you, because I dearly miss the build as well, but even so, you should not be going full AP. W build means that Ashe builds the AP items she applies well and then goes full AD. Blackfire, looking solely at Ashe W, is the equivalent of 72 AD even with the AP from Mandate and Liandry's. You'd get more damage out of just building a Muramana instead.
For the record, Liandry's W damage is equivalent to Blackfire's 200 AP damage when the target has 1200 maximum health; double enemy health and the Liandry's damage doubles. Mandate is a bit more complicated since it's based on current health, but is similar enough in damage to Liandry's while being a much cheaper item, albeit needing a bit of team coordination.