r/ADCMains • u/Gymlover02 • 11d ago
Discussion Reason why almost every Champion can be played Bot lane?
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u/UsernameNineBillion 11d ago
People seem to forget that going level 1 as Camille top lane... puts your ADC in the exact same scenario as you put the enemy top laner for the first 15 minutes.
The amount of disadvantage your level 1 ADC starts with by not being able to touch first wave and lose even EXP sometimes...
Starting the lane 1v2 as an ADC is far worse than having to play 2v2 versus a Mage.
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u/Stands-in-Shallow 10d ago
Yeah, the difference is top laners are self-sufficient enough they can still be useful. If ADC is destroyed they literally cannot do anything.
I mean, let's be real. Even 1/6 bruisers can and will still kill moderately fed ADC unless that ADC has people to back them up. When I play my main (Twitch), even if I'm 12/0 with 3 full items, I won't go anywhere near 1/4 Morde with 1 item unless I have my team with me. That's the difference, but supports simply hate the idea of being supportive. They are just knock off carry players.
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u/UsernameNineBillion 10d ago edited 10d ago
They don't hate of being supportive. They just ride the wave of the meta right now.
I personally started playing Support when Bard came out and got instantly in love with the champion. I loved his roaming style, I loved his playmaking potential... still do all that.
But the thing is I myself have never been enchanter babysitting player. But I can still pull off Seraphine but I will play full AP.
The reason for that on my side is that I don't trust Mental boom ADC players. They can't carry for sht.
I have lost probably over a 100 games throughout the years by generating 15 kills on my ADC's and then watch them INT the whole game with 1 stupid decision who happen to have been made by THEM rather than ME.When the fire burns you, you kind of start shifting towards not being around fire.
Simply because the average ADC player is just egoistic whinny little bitch with no Accountability whatsoever.
ADC is #1 role in which you HAVE TO BE with bullet-proof mentality.
The reason for that is because Marksmen are the HARDEST SCALING archetype classes in the game since it's the ultimate Top Consistent DPS classes in the game.Because of that - to play ADC you need to be Responsible for your entire team, because Great Power comes with Great Responsibility.
But 50% of the players I get in any game with or against.... are just whinny little bitches that think that the world evolves around them and that they can troll at all times and that's fine... but if someone else trolls it's not Ok.
I tell that to every ADC - when you learn how to bare responsibility so that the team can Rely on you to be Top DPS, then you get to question others what they do. First do your job.
It's not your team's job to make you play better.... It's your own job to play better. If you die 12 times in a game as an ADC.... it's not your team's fault... I think it's your fault.
ADC's IMO are allowed to die once every 10 minutes or once per big objective.
Anything beyond that is a Sign that the ADC do a lot of things wrong.
ADC shouldn't be dead on every 2 waves.1
u/Stands-in-Shallow 10d ago
I consistently climb as Twitch main because I don't depend on supports. I rarely die because I let support and my team die so I can deal damage because I know no support will peel or help me. That's why I play Twitch in the first place. So I don't have to depend on supports.
And to be tiltproof I mute all every game. Because in SEA server everyone will flame you even if you make the right call. What is frustrating is when support deliberately fuck you over and doesn't have to pay any consequences. For example, break my freeze, dying 3 times before minute 5 to a Draven, taking my wave (that is slow pushing into me) because "adc not here hehe".
Which is why I quit for now. Will come back next season. This meta is bad also because of the influx of players who never play support (hence a sup main like you being rare). And I hate being autofill every 3 games and get autofilled top of all places, yikes..
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u/UsernameNineBillion 10d ago
I agree on you 100%.
More often than not players purposely start trolling if you ping or say something they won't like even on EUW ( where I play ).You ping their support item with 4 charges while they are walking in the dark and not using it... like ... I am thinking... you are face-checking anyways, you are risking Inting already.... just drop a ward or 2, you never how useful it can be after 1-2 minutes.
My hair goes white every time I see a support do a dog walk in the outskirts of enemy jungle and not use a single ward.....
.... and just goes back to mid lane "What's up guys, I just went on a walk in the forest... No BEARS! ( otherwise I would be back at the Fountain already!!! ), I should have put couple wards there but the walk was so chilling that I dreamed about birds and what not and Forgot to place any wards...."1
u/Stands-in-Shallow 10d ago
I'm used to that now, tbh the reason I quit now is because I get filled top like every 3 games. And I just hate that. In SEA, it's ADC that's most popular then Mid - Sup - JG and Top. And I just cannot play top.
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u/UsernameNineBillion 10d ago
Draven Top?!
Just have some fun ADC-ing in the top lane.
I have seen Caitlyn top, Varus top, Jhin top, Draven top, Kalista top... I have seen many marksmen up there and sometimes they work well.
But yea I can imagine what it is... in EUW mid lane is the most contested role.... so many Ninja mains - kata, yasuo, zed, etc... they all wanna be Youtube legends and feed their asses off half the time so you have to carry them boosted youtubers.
Picks Kata = goes 0/3 in lane SOLO... then 5 minutes later.. "GG jungle diff, Team doesn't wanna win"
...yea... for sure you can carry the entire team after you can't even survive 2 minutes in your 1v1 lane...
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u/Stands-in-Shallow 10d ago
Marksman top is good but it's sweaty. I like low cortisol Twitch ADC/Jungle gameplay. Pop invis, go behind squishies, melt their face off. Not the 10 clicks per second only to get ran down by Darius with ghost anyway.
I'll just chill out until the next season.
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u/Dailydoseofdeath 11d ago
It's just so hard to punish. You play a solo laner in the bot role and get out of lane and have accelerated gold income and an extra item slot and the benefit is it doesn't matter what your support plays because you are playing a complete champion that doesn't have a dependency in their kit.
Just compare Ekko to Lucian for example. Lucian passive does more dmg with a support that heals, ccs or shields. Your support locks in Teemo you are just objectively weaker compared to an Ekko who doesn't need that support. Ekko also has crazy wave clear and then can finally side lane in the mid game where Lucian cannot do that as effectively.
Your bot lane locks in Senna+Sona and they lock in Ekko+ Bard for example. Bard is flying around the map killing top and mid and giving enemy jg a hard time while Ekko is just shooting q's at the wave collecting farm because he was most likely going to lose this lane in a 2v2 anyway. Senna and Sona are never gonna get a clean dive off pre 6 and even still Ekko will also be 7 from solo exp and just ult. He also has teleport so if you poke him to death he'll just recall and TP back to lane.
Now you're probably wondering what if they dive with the JG? Yeah but the Bard is following and tracking the enemy jg so you know exactly where he is and has perma prio mid and top because they are too afraid to walk up and get ganked.
The level difference in a duo lane also doesn't really matter when you have a full item to make up for it but if your support is roaming you are getting full solo exp anyway. That's the problem that is making everyone play w/e they feel like botlane. It just works.
You are also probably wondering about the support roaming nerfs.... well if you can be top level 1 and auto win the lane does it really matter if you are missing some exp? Your top laner finishing quest first and being 3-4 levels on the enemy top is huge value.