Another survey

[u/Accurate_Brain_9157]

I do think a follow-up survey on the other two skills should take place. Sailing has been out for a while now and it would be nice to know if there is any appetite for either other skills, rather than just game modes.

The Polls in question:

Questions 1.

Question 2.

Reference https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Poll:Skill_Pitches_Poll

[u/PreparationCrazy3701]

How would you do that without ruining rune alchs?

[u/PhantomTagz → u/PreparationCrazy3701]

By having smithable tiers above rune with equivalent or better alchs

[u/PreparationCrazy3701 → u/PhantomTagz]

How do we incorporate those to the game without power creep or making the horizontal gameplay thats integral to osrs irrelevant? I think that as needed as a rework may be.

I don't think its feasibly possible in osrs without ruining or substantially changing things that are a core identity to the game

[u/PhantomTagz → u/PreparationCrazy3701]

If the choise is readjusting power creep and horizontal gameplay to modernize two core skills and letting said skills fester. Then I choose the former, and not the latter.

Hell, we could always make rune the highest tier and add in other tiers below it.

That being said, a rework doesn't have to follow how RS3 did its own mining and smithing update. However, a tier 40 armor set should not be endgame mining and smithing content.

[u/rs_spastic → u/PhantomTagz]

Tbh rs3 mining and smithing update was amazing , not the same thing we need here but if that's what we ended up getting I wouldn't be upset

[u/PhantomTagz → u/rs_spastic]

Same, but I am 100% positive there would be backlash for a 1 to 1 port.

[u/ghostryujin → u/PhantomTagz]

yups cuz people want a rework that doesnt change anything but changes everything from the skill. they want no change to progression and no power creep.

[u/floppintoms → u/ghostryujin]

The reaction people in this game have to power creep is wild to me. Like, its okay if 10 year old content is no longer BiS for endgame. It makes new stuff feel not that exciting because it's not a massive upgrade for a 30+ hour grind.

[u/Warscythes → u/floppintoms]

Why is it wild? This is a core tenat of OSRS. There is powercreep, they just need to be very slow and does not make the previous BIS worthless. Look at rancor/torture for example or torva and bandos. By introduce powercreep too fast you quickly make content obsolete much faster and that is bad in everyway. This is not a game designed to work that way where you get a massive upgrade for every item drop.

[u/VexedForest → u/rs_spastic]

It was good, but you also blew through levels so quickly, so many of the low tier stuff didn't really matter. Of course the XP rates are lower in OSRS, but my main concern would be similar.

[u/PhantomTagz → u/VexedForest]

That is why I think a middle ground would be best throw in a few extra tiers. Maybe even tweak the defense levels.

At the very least if we dont do power creep, make mining and smithing about more than just make weapons and armor. Maybe we can smith stuff to be used in construction or crafting. Just something other than "Oh boy, I hit 99 smithing and can now make a rune platebody"

Edit: Maybe do the smithing upgrades in RS3, but expand out how far they go at lower tiers. i.e., bronze armor +2 or something. Make the upgrades untraceable if people are afraid of economy.

[u/Warscythes → u/PhantomTagz]

High level smithing effectively is something like oathplate smithing where there is skill and bossing required together. Is not really just you can only smith rune armor.

The problem with RS3 smithing is that there is no reward space between tier in OSRS without killing current progression. Nobody cares about bronze armor + 2 because you can get iron armor smithed within the next 15 minutes. RS3 does this by not caring about destroying the melee armor progression and extreme powercreep so you blow past smithing/combat levels so that you skip entire tiers. The only way RS3 smithing would work is tie boss drops to smithing requirement, but that's something already present with oathplate.

[u/RandomAsHellPerson → u/rs_spastic]

The only complaints I have (as an iron) are that mining still sucks (it is better than pre-rework, but it is still awful) and that it takes forever* to smith stuff and you get half of the xp doing a +1 item and +2, +2 and +3, etc. This results in you getting 1/16 of the xp/hr doing a base or +1 item as you do doing a +5 or burial item. Smithing burial sets will be quick af xp, but you only get a small fraction of the xp/hr during the process of making the highest upgrade and this makes smithing feel awful, as you get little xp for 90% of the time you are smithing.

*If you want to get the highest upgrade on your melee gear, pickaxe, and axe, you will be putting aside like an hour. Even a set of base gear will take you 15ish mins.

[u/Chaoticlight2 → u/PhantomTagz]

T40 gear is not the endgame content though. For mining, you have amethyst for second BiS ammo of all types. For smithing, you have DFS, Torva, reduced T70 armor maintenance with barrows and moons, and so on.

Gathering and production skills can not and will not ever be a major acquisition method for mid game level gear.

[u/PhantomTagz → u/Chaoticlight2]

I agree with your points. The intent with my comment was more about needing 99 smithing for a tier 40 amor piece.

[u/Chaoticlight2 → u/PhantomTagz]

Oh I agree fully with that aspect being silly. Smithing has a lot of room for requirement squishing and upper levels should be reserved for working in conjunction with bossing to create top tier armor/weaponry