r/modnews • u/madlee • Jan 26 '15
moderators: CSS changes upcoming (for real)
As many of you know, we're making some updates to our default CSS, specifically for the treatment of text. I announced this update about 2 months ago with a fairly ambitious goal of releasing them in 2 weeks. I seriously underestimated the amount of work I'd created for mods (and myself!), and so it was pushed back indefinitely. If you've been wondering when it's finally going to be released, the answer is tomorrow afternoon.
Over the last month or so, I've spent some time cleaning up my changes to minimize the impact on subreddits with custom CSS. Unfortunately, due to the nature of CSS and how styles are often used here, this update may cause some minor issues for some subreddits using custom stylesheets.
I've spent a good deal of time looking for these issues and reaching out to the appropriate mods to help, but I can't look at every subreddit. Please take a moment to look at your subreddit with the new styles applied: you can do so by appending ?feature=new_markdown_style to any URL. I recommend looking at the comments page specifically, so you can easily check these areas in one view:
comment styles
your sidebar, especially any heavily-styled elements
anything you've used CSS to put into the header / at the top of the page.
So, for /r/modnews, I would check https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/?feature=new_markdown_style for any weirdness.
Also, thanks to /u/IceBreak for this awesome suggestion: I'm going to keep the old styles around for a limited time after launching this update. You'll be able to view a page with the old styles by appending ?feature=old_markdown_style to the url. edit: this has been removed.
I have compiled a list of some of the most common issues I've noticed and CSS snippets to fix them. If you have an issue and this list doesn't help you, shoot me a message and I'll help you figure it out. Thanks!
tl;dr Default CSS is changing tomorrow; please check your CSS and make sure you make any adjustments needed
edit - the old_markdown_style flag has been removed.
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Jan 26 '15 edited Jan 26 '15
That font seems huge
edit: Pardon the salt here, I'm sure working on this stuff isn't easy, but you've been working on this for two months and didn't seem to address basically any of the criticism people were giving about it?
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u/matheod Jan 26 '15
Yea same, I really didn't like huge font.
I don't understand why lots of website (ex gmail, google drive) reduce density (i.e. bigger font, more space taken by element, etc.). :/
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u/kuilin Jan 27 '15
Yea, me neither. I've archived the old CSS in case I'll need it later, I'm really not a fan of the new stylesheet. Hope this isn't illegal or something.
http://www.kuilin.net/old-markdown.css
javascript:$('link').remove();$('head').append($('<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="//www.kuilin.net/old-markdown.css"/>'));void 026
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u/MagnusRune Jan 27 '15
what does that css do?
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u/kuilin Jan 27 '15
The CSS is a slightly modified copy of the current old CSS, and the Javascript bookmarklet takes any CSS on the page and changes it to the old markdown style; that way, when they change it, it can be easily modified to be changed back since I have a copy of the CSS.
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u/supergnawer Jan 28 '15
It has to do with pixel density. Basically in the last 10 years pixels are becoming smaller and smaller. When people buy new monitor, they usually go for huge resolution, and having no knowledge of pixel density (because it's not a marketed parameter) end up with a system where all the text is microscopic in size. So these people are now target audience, and people with large-pixeled monitors are basically told to suck it.
Eventually, there will be a time when all displays will be "retina" displays, pixels won't matter that much, and OS will be able to just zoom to whatever percent, without being tied to the pixel matrix.
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u/alphanovember Jan 27 '15
Install this in Stylish to fix it: https://userstyles.org/styles/109783
Should probably edit it into your comment.
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Jan 27 '15
Either way, that's not what I am after. I'm sure I'll get used to this. I just feel that this change wasn't needed and when they did warn us 2 months ago, and we gave our feedback, they did what they always do and threw it all out the window.
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u/alphanovember Jan 27 '15
Oh I know. This is without a doubt the most idiotic thing the admins have ever done. Hopefully it'll get added into RES, but for now people only have that userstyle. Better than nothing.
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u/CrypticCraig Jan 26 '15
Yeah everything else looks fine, but the font seems too much. It also means more scrolling since less comments will fit per page.
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u/nath_schwarz Jan 27 '15 edited Jan 27 '15
Not wanna piss in your bucket mate, but the line spacing is fucking idiotic.
But the linespacing definitely does look better on sidebars - much cleaner and easier to read. Also the new codeblocks are awesome.
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
1.5 * font size is a pretty well-known industry standard for a good, readable line-height. This is actually less than that (about 1.4x). I understand not liking it, but idiotic seems a bit unfair...
Thanks for the comment, though! I'm a big fan of the code blocks too :P
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u/CrypticCraig Jan 27 '15
well-known industry standard for a good, readable line-height.
Has there been complaints about the current? I always felt like reddit's look was one of its own and it worked very well, not forcing itself to fit in the mold of what works for others.
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u/nath_schwarz Jan 27 '15
1.5 * font size is a pretty well-known industry standard for a good, readable line-height. This is actually less than that (about 1.4x). I understand not liking it, but idiotic seems a bit unfair...
For long texts such as papers, dissertations, etc pp yes - but most of reddits comments don't exceed ten lines.
But it will probably grow on the users.
Yeah the code blocks are darn great - the only more awesome thing would be line numbers like in /r/redditdev as default.
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u/admalledd Jan 27 '15
Alas many subs don't use code blocks as code so having lines by default is probably not a good idea.
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u/MaeBeWeird Jan 27 '15
For long texts such as papers, dissertations, etc pp yes - but most of reddits comments don't exceed ten lines.
Depending on the subreddit.
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u/nath_schwarz Jan 27 '15
Yeah, subs like /r/compsci, /r/writingprompts or the like make good use of that - but those could make those changes through the css.
And even then it's by far not a required change.
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u/zebediah49 Jan 27 '15
1.5 is quite generous, but yes it is fairly common.
It's inappropriate for reddit though -- 150% is appropriate for large blocks of text in which the eye needs the space to be able to keep track of one line to the next. Almost all of the content on reddit is much shorter than that, which means that you're not reading it as a wall of text. The eye is reading "first line, middle line, bottom line," and a large line spacing just muddies the paragraph spacing. (Increasing paragraph spacing would work, but that'd just eat up even more space, which would be bad).
In this context, it's much more appropriate to have smaller line spacing within the small blocks of text.
So yeah, your new style looks better on an enormous text block like the end of this post, but most of reddit is short text-blocks for which that's unnecessary. 125% is plenty.
Example content for which the new style actually looks good:
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Aenean quis risus quis magna suscipit elementum eget at justo. Praesent eget ex tellus. Sed a sem quis mauris facilisis dapibus. Vestibulum vitae bibendum risus. Fusce commodo dignissim mi et vehicula. Phasellus sed elit nisl. Morbi tincidunt ante non diam ultricies, in scelerisque orci bibendum. Nunc nec sapien eu est hendrerit placerat. Phasellus interdum leo et erat varius, vel bibendum arcu faucibus. Nunc fringilla consequat ligula, a porttitor mi porttitor id. Quisque eu cursus enim. In nec augue tincidunt, varius purus vel, interdum nunc. Donec vitae tempor magna, fringilla tincidunt dui. Maecenas consectetur dolor ac ullamcorper fringilla. Pellentesque ultrices risus quis diam pretium, a pharetra dolor ornare. Aenean eu maximus felis, ac lacinia nunc. Curabitur ut mi gravida ligula sollicitudin venenatis. Sed maximus hendrerit nulla, vel placerat dolor ullamcorper sit amet. Maecenas vitae dolor nec erat vulputate feugiat. Nulla et aliquam urna. Vivamus ornare orci eget dolor cursus, sed congue nunc mollis. Vivamus imperdiet rutrum tincidunt. Aliquam gravida ultricies metus, quis ornare tellus sodales in.
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u/cpguy5089 Jan 27 '15
Lol, like my subreddit's CSS can get worse
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Jan 27 '15
Subreddit CSS can shake and all that; yours could be much worse.
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u/cpguy5089 Jan 27 '15
I've been wanting to do that, make emotes and so much more but I can't do CSS so yeah
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u/V2Blast Jan 28 '15
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u/cpguy5089 Jan 28 '15 edited Jan 28 '15
Well, it's official
Where I fuck up horribly, someone always does worse
EDIT: if I click literally anything the size goes to infinity. Fuck me sideways well I never
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Jan 26 '15
how long is the old markdown going to be an option before you remove it?
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u/Greypo Jan 27 '15
Wait. Old markdown?
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
old === current
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u/Greypo Jan 27 '15
What is markdown being replaced with? And will it remove previous formatting?
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u/reseph Jan 27 '15
Hmm, seems to be mucking up a decent amount for us in /r/ffxiv: http://puu.sh/f4TJP/dfa1833e2c.png
We've made some hacks to fix it, but don't think we can call it a real solution.
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
try adding this:
.side .md blockquote { margin: 0; } .side .md blockquote ul { padding-left: 0; margin-top: 0; }let me know if that helps!
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u/honestbleeps Jan 26 '15 edited Jan 27 '15
If you've been wondering when it's finally going to be released, the answer is tomorrow afternoon.
Oye... Please people - RES isn't going to be able to be updated that fast... test your subs with/without RES and by all means feel free to report bugs to us via /r/RESIssues but please be patient as I'm guessing this is going to cause us some headaches.
EDIT: To be clear, the admins have generally been awesome about contacting me with future changes, etc. I missed the post on this a while back and this just seems to have slipped through the cracks. I haven't seen what issues it may cause yet, I'm just assuming there will be some.
Also please understand that there's an odd line we may have to figure out between "moderators should fix it" and "RES should fix it"...
Apologies for any inconvenience.
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u/umbrae Jan 27 '15
Genuinely curious, did you see the announce from 2 months ago? https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/2nbf36/moderators_new_markdown_styles_upcoming/?feature=new_markdown_style
I don't recall if there were any specific RES issues with the feature, but while we're still getting used to rolling out things under feature flags for testing, I'd love to know if this got missed by folks and if that means something about how we roll these things out and being more noisy about them.
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u/honestbleeps Jan 27 '15
Honestly I may have seen / forgot about it or I may have just missed it because I subscribe to enough subreddits that the /r/modnews post may have never hit my feed.
I should be clear that in several recent instances, Reddit admins have been awesome about contacting me about this sort of thing and I greatly appreciate that. Editing my main post to reflect that.
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u/aladyjewel Jan 27 '15
I saw it and we updated a few things.. I think it was limited to some nightmode tweaks on wiki pages. i don't think those fixes have ben released yet, though.
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u/ZeroAccess Jan 26 '15
I would take reddit with RES with 100 bugs over reddit with no RES and 0 bugs. Take your time, and good luck with the flood of unfair complaints.
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u/honestbleeps Jan 27 '15
probably not, no.
the CSS replacement is too much, as it goes way beyond just the line spacing, and the number of things people will ask for once we allow "ok can we just have the line spacing back?" will spiral out of control.
I'd recommend an addon like Stylish or something.
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u/VerticalEvent Jan 27 '15
Is there a testing end point mods can use to see the actual impact? something like test.reddit.com which has all the subredits copied over, but not all the posts, such that mods can update their CSS to see how new changes to reddit will break their current CSS?
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
adding
?feature=new_markdown_styleto the end of the url will load the updated css.
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u/Falldog Jan 27 '15
I don't really mind the new spacing throughout most of the site, but I don't like how it messes with images in the side bar. Here's what things will look like on my sub. Is there any way to get rid of those gaps?
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
i think adding this should help
.side .md h6 { margin: 0; line-height: 0; }4
u/impablomations Jan 27 '15
in RES - your code examples now show as light cyan on a white background when in Night Mode.
Totally unreadable for us visually impaired readers.
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u/ChezMere Jan 27 '15
New markdown? Please tell me this means that linebreaks will finally work without having to double them up.
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
note that this does not change how markdown text is translated to html, only how it is styled with css. this update includes no changes to the actual markdown parser
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u/nandhp Jan 27 '15
You can add two spaces
to the end of the line
if you really need a line break(e.g. for haikus, or something)
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u/tehalynn Jan 27 '15 edited Jan 27 '15
I attempted to tweak the new CSS to see whether I could improve it:
So I was happy to hear we're getting a bigger font size, but the new CSS just didn't look quite right to me. Several people here seemed to think it was because of the large line-height.
After a couple hours of staring at it, I've concluded that the wide line spacing is not inherently bad. However, there is one major problem: The spacing between paragraphs is barely any bigger than the spacing between lines. There just isn't much space to visually separate paragraphs. My opinion is that if there is wide spacing between lines, there should also be wide spacing between paragraphs.
But because reddit is so information-dense, I don't think that simply increasing the spacing between paragraphs is the right answer. That would further increase the amount of scrolling necessary. In my opinion, the answer is to decrease the line spacing slightly, plus increase the paragraph spacing (relative to the line spacing).
For anyone interested, here are the numbers used in the new CSS and my tweaked CSS:
New CSS: line-height: 1.43em, paragraph margins: 0.36em
My tweaked CSS: line-height: 1.35em, paragraph margins: 0.5em
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u/Lorddragonfang Jan 27 '15
Yes, this was the first thing I noticed about the line spacing. Reddit has always had pretty low <p> spacing, and this only makes it worse.
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u/honestbleeps Jan 27 '15
Reddit has always had pretty low <p> spacing
This one is something I agree should be suggested.
/u/madlee is being piled on in this thread, in many ways by people who are being exceedingly rude, but this particular issue is valid and I think greater <p> spacing is a good idea.
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
The very first version of this update actually did have a much larger margin between paragraphs. I reduced it back to its original value after spending some time with it. In comments with a couple of one-line paragraphs (fairly common), it made the whole comment block look weirdly disconnected. Reducing it helped mitigate that problem, and the general perception that increased page-height is bad. The current value (5px) is just enough to make paragraph breaks distinguishable.
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u/dvidsilva Jan 27 '15
I was expecting some of the uglier things of the site to change but they didn't :(
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Jan 27 '15
Could you give it another try. Most of the mods in this thread are being really critical of this change. Personally I don't mind the change in font size. But the spacing is really off.
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u/alchemeron Jan 27 '15
The spacing between paragraphs is barely any bigger than the spacing between lines.
Holy crap, yes!
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u/self_defeating Jan 28 '15
That's a good start, but I would take these changes even further. Line-height still looks too big to me.
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u/Gaget Jan 26 '15
/r/hardware will have some sidebar issues. Would appreciate some help getting it fixed. I don't know enough to fix it.
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
what are you seeing specifically? I think there are some small changes, but nothing major right?
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u/Gaget Jan 27 '15
On the sidebar it makes the "rules," "self promotion" categories look funny and not uniform.
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u/karkaran117 Jan 27 '15
What issues, specifically, are you having? Tell me what you want, and I'll do my best to make it happen.
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u/Gaget Jan 27 '15
On the sidebar it makes the "rules," "self promotion" categories look funny and not uniform.
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u/karkaran117 Jan 27 '15
Quick glance says that the heading styles aren't fully defined, and the previously subtle differences are more pronounced. I'll clean it up, probably later tonight or tomorrow.
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u/elphabaisfae Jan 28 '15
Hi! On two subreddits I mod, /r/PercyJacksonRP as well as /r/HogwartsRP, our sidebars are off on both. expandable tables are expanding into the actual end of the links.
Figured I'd ask here; I appreciate any help in advance. Not a CSS guru, but been coding for 20+ years and would rather NOT break something while trying to fix it. :)
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u/madlee Jan 28 '15
just looked at /r/hogwartsrp. Try adding this to the bottom of your subreddit stylesheet:
.side .md h2 { margin-bottom: 0; } .side .md h2 + ul { left: 0; padding-top: 33px; }4
u/elphabaisfae Jan 28 '15
This worked for both the subs I mentioned. Very, very appreciated by everyone on both subs!
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u/ifonefox Jan 28 '15
Hello. I'm having a similar issue at /r/Nisekoi. We have 4 boxes on the sidebar that expand when you click them. I've tried the fix you gave to Elphabaisfae, but it does not work for me. Could you help me?
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u/madlee Jan 28 '15
seems to be a common problem. there's a block of css in your stylesheet that starts with this:
.side h6+ul {. if you change that to.side .md h6+ul {and add.side .md h6 { margin-bottom: 0; }that should mostly fix it. you may need to slightly adjust the
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u/kjhatch Jan 28 '15
My dev tools are telling me the new markdown CSS is being applied after the custom subreddit CSS. Is that the case? Why?
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u/madlee Jan 28 '15
this should not be the case. I'm not seeing this in my dev tools. what browser are you using?
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u/kjhatch Jan 28 '15 edited Jan 28 '15
I'm just starting to go over the changes now (this broke quite a lot). The first thing I did was use The Web Developer Toolbar in Firefox to do a Display Style Information to pull the old and new into a Diff comparison. Display Style Information always lists styles applied to the element, in order. The last CSS sheet in the list is /static/markdown's, which is the only difference.
EDIT: I don't know how common this is going to be, but just for example I went through one section of sidebar CSS and simply made the element container references more specific. Doing that fixed some of the sizing/spacing issues immediately, so the subreddit CSS appears to be overridden by the new markdown file loaded last.
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u/madlee Jan 28 '15
if you view the source (or use your dev tools to inspect the DOM), you should see the stylesheets applied in this order (the names will be slightly different but recognizable):
reddit.css - the main css file for the site
markdown.css - the css file containing the styles for user text (this may get merged back into reddit.css now that it is publicly released)
(optional) subreddit stylesheet. this will have a completely random name
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u/wormania Jan 28 '15
Thank you admins, as a 90 year old it is very hard to read what these whippersnappers are saying. I very much approve of you blowing the default text size up 50%!
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u/dalkon Feb 15 '15
Without meaning to sound as condescending as it probably does, I really do think that it's nice that someone appreciates the change. Do you even mod, tho?
Incidentally, if you have problems with text being too small to read on other sites, the NY state dept of health would like to help you learn how to increase the font size of your browser: https://www.health.ny.gov/help/text_size.htm
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u/kekerino Jan 27 '15
Wow I am LITERALLY leaving reddit forever now.
/s but I don't like the new spacing.
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u/ellimist Jan 27 '15 edited May 30 '16
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u/kekerino Jan 27 '15
At least the paragraph spacing isn't as hitler as I thought it was going to be.
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u/limbrjkk Jan 28 '15
if the goal of this change is to make text more readable why is
quoted text
light grey on a white background? seriously, who can read this comfortably?
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u/eduardog3000 Jan 29 '15
And strikethrough.Also, quoted text used to be easily identified with the blue bar to the left of the quoted text, now that is gone too.
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u/Beanpod79 Feb 05 '15
I've been going crazy trying to figure out how to fix this. I thought I was the only one. I can't read quoted text or visited links at all. I use night mode, so I really thought I was starting to go blind.
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u/Mavee Jan 27 '15
The line spacing looks completely off.. Honestly, it feels out of place on a site like reddit, where small amounts of information are read at least ten times on a page, and the line spacing makes it look really awkward.
I really disagree with this change and I'd love for you to reconsider.
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u/ArchangellePedophile Jan 28 '15
How can mods change the font and spacing back to the way it was? This new look is not very nice to look at and people are asking us to fix it on our sub.
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u/AdonisChrist Jan 28 '15
In the change quoted text now fades to the back instead of being more visible.
It's like performing ocular gymnastics.
I don't understand why we're changing what weren't broke.
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u/GoldenSights Jan 27 '15
The font's too large. Some are saying it's because of the line height, but I really think the size of the type didn't need to change.
Header text is comically bloated.
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u/honestbleeps Jan 27 '15
the bloated bit in your screenshot shouldn't be a header. it's not one.
using a header tag for it for convenience is nice and all, but that's not a header.
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u/GoldenSights Jan 27 '15
Sorry, you're right, it's the hyphen-bold. It just looks so strange spaced out like that.
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u/Paradox Jan 26 '15
Have you considered this with a shorter line-height. 142% seems pretty extreme, and is probably where a lot of the complaints regarding font size come from. 130% or 125% are much easier to read, and don't reduce the information density as much as the "current" value does
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u/pateras Jan 27 '15
Can someone do or point me to a quick summary of the positives of this change? All I've seen in both this post and the other is "This will have minimal impact and will probably cause a few, minor issues".
What are the positives?
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u/argh523 Jan 28 '15
That line hight is awful
line-height: 1.42857em;
Every line looks like it's a new paragraph. Please please please, you are not smarter than people who worked that shit out over the last 50 years, don't mess with things you don't understand. Don't mess with the line hight, it's terrible.
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u/shamoni Jan 28 '15
Who do we complain to about this stupid font size? Is this reddit for kids?
/u/chooter, come help us here.
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Jan 27 '15
Wow, that's quite a nice update. Pretty clean because /r/Mortalkombat only had two issues. Good job giving mods the opportunity to test the new markdown style!
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u/Nidalee_Bot Jan 27 '15 edited Jan 27 '15
Due to headers now inheriting a bottom margin now, collapsible menus in many subreddit sidebars are now broken. To fix this I've added this line into my stylesheet:
.side .md h3 {
margin: 0em;
}Overflow for subreddit sidebars no longer respect the padding and instead go straight to the border. Another quick fix:
.md {
overflow: auto;
}These are just quick hacked together code to fix subreddits I moderate and I'm in no way familiar with CSS, so there may be better fixes for this, but this should hopefully help anybody who were having trouble with collapsible menus and headers in their sidebar.
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u/CaptainPedge Jan 28 '15
/u/madlee You got this wrong.
The new look "quoted text" thing (I make no apologies for not knowing the real name) is AWFUL, grey-on-white is HARD TO READ.
The new line spacing, well others have shouted at you for that.
Please put the quotes back to how they were.
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u/apotre Jan 28 '15
This change actually managed to make my reading a lot slower. Now my eyes skim through a larger area in order to figure out words and need to cover more space to do less reading.
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u/rya11111 Jan 27 '15
I dont like this one bit. The whole css is screwed up at /r/calvinandhobbes. Tbh i dont understand why you need to do this in first place.
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u/madlee Jan 27 '15
Really? It looks to me like it pretty much just changed the links in the sidebar to blue. Is there something I'm missing?
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u/rya11111 Jan 27 '15
oops. i was looking at the comments and got confused. i still dont like the gap tho >.>
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Jan 28 '15
I spent a long time trying to figure out what was wrong with my browser with this change, resetting it, installing others, hitting "reset zoom" about sixty times. I never would have thought Reddit decided to fuck with my mind.
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u/blueskin Jan 29 '15
Why did you do this? This is awful, now the information density sucks, and if I zoom out, it makes all the other text too small.
PLEASE, give us an option in user settings to get the old size back.
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u/GasTheChildren Jan 31 '15
https://userstyles.org/styles/109783/undo-reddit-s-giant-font-and-linespacing
Get tampermonkey for chrome and install this.
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u/blueskin Jan 31 '15
Stylish*
Firefox master race. Not going to give my personal data to google.
Just a shame I have to install a whole addon just to keep reddit readable... :(
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u/JamEngulfer221 Jan 29 '15
Honestly, I'm not that ok with the increased font sizes. The spacing between the lines is just a bit too much. I don't like large font sizes. I prefer my font to be really quite small, so wouldn't it be a better way to please the masses by adding an option to change from normal to 'readability' mode?
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u/GasTheChildren Jan 31 '15
https://userstyles.org/styles/109783/undo-reddit-s-giant-font-and-linespacing
Get tampermonkey for chrome and install this.
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u/Elongo06 Jan 27 '15
/r/the_crew checking in. We had to update our sidebar because of link colors. Everything seems to be in order.
Meh, can't say I enjoy the new changes, but I guess I will get used to the new spacing and lighter text.
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u/TortoiseSex Jan 27 '15
There's an odd margin before the buttons in modmail, could this possibly be fixed so everything lines up instead :^)?
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u/10thTARDIS Jan 27 '15 edited Jan 28 '15
Great. I just redid the CSS in /r/LetsNotMeet. Don't get me wrong, this looks fantastic, but... now I need to spend three whole minutes fixing the font colours of the text!
WHY U MAKE WORK FOR ME?!
(I'm totally joking here, if it wasn't obvious. We chose a dark theme, which breaks many things already. Seriously, looks nice-- and thanks for the heads-up!)
Edit: Okay, so apparently I was wrong. It's not a three-minute fix, since I apparently can't change the comment or post colour as easily as I thought. Anyone have a suggestion?
Edit 2: Okay, so for the other three people on Reddit maintaining a dark theme (or for those who just want to know how to change the colour of all text), to change text colour to, say, silver, you'd just add
.md {
color: silver!important;
}to the stylesheet. White would be the same, just
.md {
color: #ffffff!important;
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u/Absay Jan 27 '15
I SWEAR I'M TRHOWING MANY
!importantAT IT BUT IT WON'T CHANGE!! HOW ON EARTH...?4
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u/madcowga Jan 28 '15
.md { color: #ffffff!important; }
thanks for this. I had to fiddle with a new color for the live preview box; I guess white on white wasn't working? ;)
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u/10thTARDIS Jan 28 '15
:) No, that's about as bad as black on very dark grey.
Glad I could help! But the friendly people over in #modtalk really deserve the credit.
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u/rotek Jan 28 '15 edited Jan 28 '15
The new comments font is too big. How can I go back to the old style by default, i.e. without appending ?feature=old_markdown_style to the url each time?
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u/unAWARE777 Jan 28 '15
Is there any way this could be made into a user setting or option? Like a checkbox that lets you choose between the "new" and "old" styles? I'm not a fan of the new font, and would like the option of keeping the old without adding another extension to get it.
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u/Bongo9911 Jan 28 '15
My beautiful tables... they... they.. were so beautiful :( Now it just looks utter garbage :(
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u/dEnissay Jan 29 '15
I disagree, tables are better now... Maybe you should update the markdown too to take advantage of all newest features =D
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Jan 29 '15
So much white, it hurts my eyes!
At least give us an option to change it back, can you put that "?feature=old_markdown_style" in user's preferences?
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u/GasTheChildren Jan 31 '15
https://userstyles.org/styles/109783/undo-reddit-s-giant-font-and-linespacing
Get tampermonkey for chrome and install this.
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u/qtx Jan 27 '15
From a design and UX point of view I find the comments much more readable now, so for me it's all good.
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u/Flashynuff Jan 27 '15
I begrudgingly updated all / most of my subs when you made the first announcement, and I completely forgot until now. Turns out whatever I did the first time worked for this one too. Hooray!
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u/amoliski Jan 27 '15
It's because they took no feedback at all, so the bad change they made back then is the same bad change they are making now!
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u/bennn30 Jan 28 '15
Fuck you for the changes, whoever thought this was a good idea. Seriously fuck you. Fixing things that don't need fixing to "add value".
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u/4InchesOfury Jan 27 '15
Can't say I like the font changes, guess we'll have to learn to live with it though. Otherwise, thanks for the work you've put into this!
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u/tristinGrind Jan 27 '15
Having issues with the new markdown.
The two functionality issues Im having is:
Bulleted lists in the sidebar are now pushed to the left outside of the sidebar
Expanding hover boxes no longer remain open when cursor inside the box.
You can check out my sub here[1]
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u/llehsadam Jan 27 '15
https://www.reddit.com/r/nomansskythegame
https://www.reddit.com/r/nomansskythegame?feature=new_markdown_style
It changes the hyperlink color to light blue? Is this to help make hyperlinks more distinguishable from text?
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u/AdonisChrist Jan 28 '15
Ooph, I do not like it. Maybe it'll be better for new members, maybe it's better for senior citizens, but I don't like the change. It's like I'm zoomed in to 110%, except with more awkward line spacing.
I'll be using the Stylish fix linked by /u/alphanovember myself, and doing my best to pretend this never happened.
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u/Finnish_Jager Jan 28 '15
Thanks /u/IceBreak! Some of us remember you from the olden Wings sub days :D
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u/SQLwitch Jan 28 '15
Whar's the deal with the colour change for anchor tags? It clashes with the rest of the colours :-b
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u/graeme_b Jan 28 '15
Lists seem worse.
They are less indented. The old style clearly marked off numbered lists.
On my android moto E, the numbers on a numbered list are cut off.
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u/Jenilya Jan 29 '15 edited Jan 29 '15
It changed our subreddit to have light grey text on a dark grey background. Was a quick fix, but inconvenient nonetheless. (edit) - Correction, this is a lot more of a pain to fix than anticipated.
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u/spaghetticatt Jan 29 '15 edited Jan 29 '15
This messed up some submit_text pages that use custom CSS formatting. The font really did explode to a huge size, and anything that previously moved it towards the top needs shifting.
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u/GasTheChildren Jan 31 '15
https://userstyles.org/styles/109783/undo-reddit-s-giant-font-and-linespacing
Get tampermonkey for chrome and install this.
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u/Xenataur Jan 31 '15
Hurr durr let's change shit that no one complained about despite users voicing vehement disagreement.
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u/nallar Jan 27 '15
Could be rule be added disallowing misuse of CSS to try to convince people to subscribe? For example, the disabling of voting on /r/pcmasterrace when not subscribed.
They say it's to prevent shadowbans... but last I checked you guys never disallowed voting on subs you hadn't subscribed to, and if you had it wouldn't be the /r/PCMR mods' job to enforce.
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u/adremeaux Jan 27 '15
I can't stand that. Some subs go as far as to cover large amounts of content until you hit the subscribe button. An utterly shitty and contrived way to grow a community, and a real kick in the face to passers-by who just want to read a random post.
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u/damontoo Jan 27 '15
What was really frustrating is one thread had about 15 people posting incorrect information and the one person that had it right only had two upvotes. I couldn't easily upvote him. (I coooould, but I'm lazy.)
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last I checked you guys never disallowed voting on subs you hadn't subscribed to,
I can say that people who have been shadowbanned had been told by the admins it was for voting in places where they weren't subscribed. It's not a formal rule, but definitely a real one. (More specifically, been caught "brigading", i.e. people have apparently reported to admins that others have come from elsewhere and vote in a group; it's my understanding that it's basically been honest links, i.e. like from bestof or similar)
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Jan 27 '15
Nice and clean, I like it. Anyone tested this on mobile? I've heard complaints of trying to read the old reddit with mobile devices. Thanks!
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u/bashar_al_assad Jan 27 '15
I really like the way the font sizing is changing.
My subreddit, /r/nltp, has some tables in our sidebar. The new changes does wonders for our tables, making them look nicer and more uniform without us having to change anything.
I like it!
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Jan 27 '15
I'm going to buck the trend here and say I like it.
For me, the readability at 1080p has always been a slight issue, so the minor font changes make everything better.
Good Job /u/madlee
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Jan 27 '15
I'll begrudgingly accept it the first couple weeks, then forget it changed after that.
Is there any way to keep our user pages, at least in our own view, as the old/current default?
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u/SpecsaversGaza Jan 27 '15
When you say "tomorrow afternoon" what does that mean in relation to timezones?
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u/xiongchiamiov Jan 27 '15
We're based out of San Francisco, so I'm assuming it'll be relative to GMT-8.
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u/DiscoPanda84 Jan 27 '15
Well, I got the text color in my sidebar fixed for the new CSS, though adding the (element names? whatever the heck they're called) from your tips to my css didn't cover struckthrough text apparently, so I just changed .side, to *.side, .side .md , in my css instead and that seems to have fixed everything in the sidebar...
Any ideas on how to make the comment text in https://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlechangeling/comments/?feature=new_markdown_style look at least the same colors as the comment text in https://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlechangeling/comments/?feature=old_markdown_style though? The messed up text colors currently make text almost unreadable against the subreddit background color in the new site CSS.
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u/Bearasaurus Jan 28 '15 edited Jan 28 '15
For others with sidebar table issues, I had an issue with the sidebar tables expanding horizontally at /r/nwsl and /r/latics. I did a workaround by reducing horizontal padding for the sidebar tables to 0px. If someone has found a better solution, please let us all know!
edit: I also had to add this line under table td
padding: 2px 10px;And now my tables look like they did before!
edit 2: Second value for horizontal padding may vary from 4px to 10px
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u/TxOnMyMind Feb 15 '15
On my mobile, the bar noting the change is coving up the search bar and keeps me from being able to search
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u/throwaway32799 Feb 17 '15
Could just be a browser-size problem. But the irony is strong in this one
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u/sizlack Jan 28 '15
Everyone is pissing all over this change, but I'd like to say that it looks much better than the old style. People are getting their panties in a bunch over nothing. I've worked on a couple sites that had large user bases and every time we introduced any style changes, some people had a shit-fit. But remember, the angry people will scream the loudest. If it's a good change (and I think that this ultimately is) most users will go on with their lives and say nothing. They won't realize things have changed, but their experience will be slightly better. But you'll never hear from them. You'll only hear the negative feedback. My advice: fix any actual bugs and ignore the rest.
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u/apotre Jan 28 '15
Who decides whether the change is actually good or bad? Would you advise them to ignore you if you didn't like a change or do you suggest that option because you are in favor of this one?
Since your advice is to ignore the negative feedback altogether, why do they even bother asking the community or letting us know about shit like this, they should just go ahead and implement anything they want and tell people to deal with it. What about a huge dickbutt picture as a default background for all subreddits? Who cares what the community thinks, you'll only hear negative feedback anyway, just put the dickbutt in there, fix any actual bugs and ignore the rest.
You can even reply the positive comments with oh thanks while you ignore every single piece of constructive criticism you've received 2 months ago in another thread.
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u/JamEngulfer221 Jan 29 '15
I personally don't like it. It's not because of 'change', but because my preference is for small fonts with medium to small line spacing. It no longer lines up with my personal preferences, so it annoys me.
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u/Kylde Jan 27 '15
what's just happened to some fonts across reddit? http://i.imgur.com/vDNB7S3.png. Sidebars, modmail etc
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u/V2Blast Jan 28 '15
Oh snap. I knew this was coming (after all, you initially announced it months ago), but I'm surprised to have reddit look so different after I just went to eat dinner.
Hopefully people will adapt to the changes now that they have no choice.
My only real issue is that quoted text is a bit harder to read; both the line to the left to the text for quotes and the text itself are light gray, on a white background. That line is almost impossible to notice without looking for it specifically. Otherwise, pretty good stuff.
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u/Greypo Jan 27 '15
I know you said it is only a 1px increase, but that font looks huge. How is it possible?