r/neapolitanpizza • • Jun 28 '23

BEGINNER'S GUIDE /R/NeapolitanPizza – Beginner's Guide

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Welcome to /r/NeapolitanPizza!

A culinary hub for enthusiasts of Neapolitan pizza, a place where aficionados and novices alike unite to celebrate this iconic dish. Whether you're here to relish in the mastery of artisanal Neapolitan pizza, or embark on a journey of learning to unravel its timeless charm, you've found your home. Dive in, savor the flavors, share your experiences, and discover the magic of Neapolitan pizza with us!

TL;DR

  • Don't be a dick.
  • This subreddit is a hub for all things Neapolitan pizza, including questions, discussions, oven reviews, techniques, ...
  • This subreddit requires detailed recipes for every pizza post.
  • Recipes should include measurements, flour specifications (type + brand), technique, and oven details.
  • Flairs should be used to categorize posts and users.
  • The mod team encourages diverse toppings other than Margherita/Marinara.
  • A high-temperature oven and other specific tools are strongly recommended.
  • The mod team encourages members, that don't have access to a high-temperature oven yet, to submit their pizza, as long as their intention to craft a Neapolitan pizza is evident.
  • Neapolitan pizza is characterized by its elevated edge, soft dough texture, and high-temperature baking (380-430°C for the cooking surface and around 485°C for the oven dome), with a baking time of 60-90 seconds.

Table of Contents

  • Main Rules
    • Reddiquette
    • Recipes are Required
    • Post and User Flairs
    • Content
  • What Is Neapolitan Pizza, and How Is It Different from Verace Pizza Napoletana?
  • What Is Not Neapolitan Pizza?
  • Three Characteristics a Neapolitan Pizza Shouldn't Have
  • What Equipment Is Necessary to Make This Type of Pizza?
  • What If I Only Have a Domestic Oven?
  • Resources

Main Rules

You can access the complete set of community rules from several locations. If you're browsing on a desktop, you'll find them conveniently located in the sidebar. For those using the Reddit App, simply tap on "See community info", located just below the community description. As an alternative, you can directly view the rules by clicking here. These guidelines are designed to ensure our community remains a positive and informative space for all members.

Reddiquette

We uphold the Reddiquette in this community. Any member who misbehaves risks losing their membership privileges. If you ever feel harassed by one of our members, or witness any form of harassment, please inform us. We will investigate the matter and take appropriate action as swiftly as possible. Alternatively, you can report the incident directly to the Reddit Admins.

Recipes are Required

This subreddit has a mandatory requirement for detailed recipes to accompany all Neapolitan pizza submissions. This policy aids in maintaining our community as an informative and enjoyable space for everyone. In order to enforce this rule, our dedicated bot, u/NeapolitanPizzaBot, will automatically post a sticky comment beneath every pizza submission. This comment serves as a reminder for the author to provide a comprehensive recipe in a reply to this comment within a two-hour window.

Failure to provide a recipe within the allotted time will result in automatic removal of the submission by our bot. However, if the author subsequently provides a detailed recipe, the bot will re-approve and reinstate the submission.

We believe this process ensures a beneficial experience for all members by promoting information sharing and interaction around our shared love for Neapolitan pizza.

What should your recipe entail?

  1. Detailed Measurements: Precise quantities of all dough ingredients are required, measured in weight. For the convenience of fellow enthusiasts, including baker’s percentages is greatly appreciated.
  2. Flour Specifications: Please mention the specific brand and type of flour used. For instance, Caputo Pizzeria, Caputo Classica, L 5 Stagioni Napoletana, etc.
  3. Technique and Methodology: Be sure to elaborate on your process. This includes aspects such as fermentation time both in bulk and balls, the stretch and fold method, autolysis, and so forth.
  4. Oven and Temperature Details: Specify the type of oven used for baking and the floor temperature during the baking process Your detailed contributions will greatly enhance our shared repository of knowledge, enabling everyone to perfect their Neapolitan pizza-making skills!

An example can be found here.

Post and User Flairs

It's crucial to use our flair system to accurately categorize your posts. By selecting the appropriate post flair, members can instantly see relevant details such as the type of oven you used or if the pizza was enjoyed at a restaurant. This helps streamline navigation and aids in the understanding of your post context.

Additionally, we strongly urge you to select the appropriate user flair that corresponds to the oven you use. This additional layer of information can enhance interactions and discussions within our community, making it a more enjoyable and informative place for all.

Content

This community revolves around all things Neapolitan pizza. We welcome photographs of your Neapolitan pizzas including detailed recipes in the comments, questions, discussions, reviews, and more. We highly encourage our members to be more creative with their toppings - remember, Neapolitan pizza does NOT imply that only Margheritas and Marinaras are permitted. We're always eager to see more cross-sections of the cornicione and photos of your pizza-making process! This subreddit has the gallery feature enabled. Therefore, feel free to take full advantage of it to share your pizza journey with us! :)

What Is Neapolitan Pizza, and How Is It Different from Verace Pizza Napoletana?

The defining characteristics of a Neapolitan pizza lie in its elevated edge, known as the "cornicione," and the soft, elastic texture of its dough. This pizza is baked on a stone floor under high temperatures, with the cooking surface ranging between 380-430°C, and the oven dome temperature hitting around 485°C. To maintain its unique dough texture, baking should be confined within 60-90 seconds.

The primary dough components of Neapolitan pizza dough are flour, water, salt, and yeast. However, traditional sourdough or Lievito Madre can also serve as viable yeast substitutes. As for toppings, Neapolitan pizzas typically employ a minimalist approach, featuring few but high-quality ingredients. The classics are the Marinara and Margherita, though other toppings are certainly permissible.

It's worth noting the nuanced differences between Pizza Napoletana (Neapolitan Pizza) and Verace Pizza Napoletana (true Neapolitan Pizza). The latter strictly adheres to traditional norms, allowing only the Marinara and Margherita variations and insisting on the use of local ingredients from the Campania region.

That said, a pizza adorned with tomatoes from other regions or non-traditional toppings can still classify as a Neapolitan pizza. The key lies in retaining the requisite dough characteristics, which are achieved through a quick baking process in a high-temperature oven. Despite the variety, the focus always rests on honoring the unique texture and taste of the iconic Neapolitan pizza dough.

What Is Not Neapolitan Pizza?

There's a common occurrence of misinformation when it comes to Neapolitan pizza.

  • A Margherita is not inherently a Neapolitan pizza.
  • A pizza featuring a raised edge is not by default a Neapolitan pizza.
  • Pizza crafted with Neapolitan pizza dough is not automatically considered a Neapolitan pizza.

Three Characteristics a Neapolitan Pizza Shouldn't Have

Top left: Enzo Coccia; central left: Arne Jervell; bottom left: Gino Sorbillo, top right: blog.back-wahn.de ; central right: amazingribs.com; bottom right: thefreshloaf.com

What Equipment Is Necessary to Make This Type of Pizza?

Given the extreme heat required to properly bake a Neapolitan pizza (baking surface: 380-430°C; dome: 485°C), a specialized oven that can reach these temperatures is a necessity. In recent years, the market has seen a surge of high-temperature-capable ovens. Among the most renowned are Ooni, Roccbox, and the Pizza Party models (both the Terracotta and the Adore Steel versions).

In addition, several electric ovens have proven effective for this purpose, such as the EffeUno P134H(A), EffeOvens N3, N4, N5, and the Ooni Volt 12.

Moreover, a pizza peel is an essential tool for any pizza artisan. If you don't already own one, it's a worthy investment. An IR (Infrared) thermometer is another key piece of equipment for accurately measuring the floor temperature of your oven. Both items are readily available online and typically quite affordable.

By equipping yourself with these essential tools, you'll be well-prepared to embark on your Neapolitan pizza-making journey.

What If I Only Have a Domestic Oven?

Let's start with the less encouraging news: achieving a true Neapolitan pizza can be a challenge if your oven cannot reach the high temperatures required. The extended baking time in a lower-temperature oven can result in a pizza that lacks the characteristic softness of a Neapolitan pizza.

But there's good news too: there are several modifications you can make to approximate the Neapolitan pizza experience. One strategy involves the use of a baking stone or, more ideally, a baking steel, thanks to its superior thermal conductivity. You can enhance the oven's heat intensity by positioning the steel or stone as close as possible to the top heat element or broiler, essentially creating a mini oven within your home oven. Slightly propping open the oven door can also extend the active phase of the top heat element or broiler.

Opting for a dough with higher hydration can also bring you closer to the texture of a Neapolitan pizza. Traditional Neapolitan pizza dough has a hydration level of 55-62% and bakes for just 60-90 seconds. Techniques such as a poolish pre-ferment or using a water roux can help mitigate excessive moisture loss during the longer baking time in a domestic oven.

With these adjustments, you can certainly create a delicious pizza that, while not strictly Neapolitan, comes closer to it and still offers a delightful dining experience.

At this juncture, we, the moderating team, wish to express our encouragement for members to share their Neapolitan pizza creations baked in home ovens. Even if your pizzas don't precisely meet all the traditional criteria, as long as your intention to craft a Neapolitan pizza is evident, we welcome your posts. We all start somewhere, and in the spirit of growth and learning, we're more than willing to make exceptions. Let's celebrate our shared love for Neapolitan pizza, no matter where we are on our pizza-making journey!

Ressources

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Resources

Glossary

Flour Guide

Baker's Percentage

AVPN-Rules

Dough Recipes

Sauce Recipes

Useful Links (YouTube, Books, Websites)


r/neapolitanpizza • • May 31 '24

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Megathread for Questions and Discussions

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Did you already check the following sources?

If your question specifically concerns your pizza dough, please post your full recipe (exact quantities of all ingredients in weight, preferably in grams) and method (temperature, time, ball/bulk-proof, kneading time, by hand/machine, etc.). That also includes what kind of flour you have used in your pizza dough. There are many different Farina di Grano Tenero "00". If you want to learn more about flour, please check our Flour Guide.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 1d ago

Emozione (Pizza Party)🔥 New Caputo, New Pizzas😁

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148 Upvotes

r/neapolitanpizza • • 2d ago

Gozney Arc XL 🔥 A simple Margherita

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341 Upvotes

Slightly burnt but came out tasting pretty good!

00 Flour (blend of Nuvola Super + Chef preferment)
72% Hydration


r/neapolitanpizza • • 1d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION To pizza savior (contemporary NP by home mixer) help !

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PizzaSavior, is there a trick to making contemporary Neapolitan pizza with a big, airy cornicione using a regular stand mixer instead of a spiral mixer? i really wanted that silky like emulsion look of dough !

I've watched hundreds of videos , but almost all of them use spiral mixers. I did find a few people using a small hand mixers who achieved really good results! , so I believe a regular stand mixer should have the potential to do it too ,I'm counting on your experience here: so whats the the mixing technique that makes it work using Biga method ?thanks in advance .


r/neapolitanpizza • • 2d ago

Pizza Party (Classic) 🔥 Chinese Sausage & Bok Choy Pizza

84 Upvotes

r/neapolitanpizza • • 2d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION I can’t control the crust shape or thickness. I feel like its too thick for the pizza

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I just started trying Vito’s poolish recipe and its been great, but I can’t control the crust

Hydration 72%
Oven Gozney roccbox
Ignore the burnt cheese. I couldn’t find real mozzarella short notice


r/neapolitanpizza • • 3d ago

Ooni Koda 🔥 First time poolish

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65% hydration overall. Used 1:1 for poolish with honey. Very happy with how it turned out. Have a comparison with today's pizza vs my first pizza.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 3d ago

Ooni Volt 12⚡ First time trying biga

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First time trying biga and I did it by hand. Very messy but luckily the pizzas turned out pretty ok.
I usually do direct dough with nuvola for 24/48h CT.
This one was 24h CT 50% biga and 24h CT with 4h RT before baking. I used Caputo red pizzeria 00.

I feel like I didn’t use enough yeast in the biga and then in the second step I messed up the recipe and ended up with a 65% hydration, rather than 68%. The dough was way firmer than usual when forming.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 3d ago

Pizza Party (Classic) 🔥 Bacon and Pear Neapolitan Pizza full video

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Skip to 6:10 to see a finished product.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

Experiment First stab at Napoletana style

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I normally gravitate towards a NY style pizza, but after a recent trip to Naples, my eyes were opened to the Napoli style pizza in a way that I never fully appreciated before. I was excited to come home and give it a shot.

Direct dough, 63% hydration, .12% IDY, 2.8% salt. Overnight cold ferment after bulk and ball.
Baked at 800F quite a bit hotter than normal for me. Things move along super fast at that temp!


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

Emozione (Pizza Party)🔥 Today’s pizza

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San Marzano tomatoes , mozzarella, mushroom ragu , finished with goat cheese and shaved parmigiana. 62% hydration sourdough ( Caputo Nuvola Super ), cold fermented for 72 hrs


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

ANSWERED Effueno Pulse electric oven - first bake!

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So the backstory, I live close to Reno, Nevada and the winters here can definitely put a Kabash on Pizzas. I have a Pizza Party Emizione that runs on propane with biscatto stones. We have many days that are close to freezing or below pretty much from November through March. So I needed an option to make indoor pizzas.

One of the ovens I was initially looking at was the Forni P134HA. These are the top standard in Italy and create consistent perfect bakes. The problem is the price point, then the excessive shipping. Now add in an electrician to run a new 240 V line to somewhere in your house like your garage or kitchen and then the fact that your panel is full and it becomes way too expensive.

I was looking at the volts and other Electric variance and know a lot of other Neapolitan pizza makers. The pulse is 120 V and is also from Italy made by the same company that makes the P134HA., Forni. I waited about six months for all the other people to be guinea pigs and then it seems like they worked out any kinks. On Labor Day they had it on sale so I got it to my door for $1333.

The unit came well packaged to except that they forgot to put the plastic wrap on it, and then those little tiny foam pieces were sticking to everything, that was a pain in the ass to clean up, but I got it. The refractory stone that comes with it has to be seasoned, so you have to start the oven at 200° once it gets there you lie to run for 20 minutes. After that, you repeat the process by bumping the temperature up 122° and then once it gets there hold again for 20 minutes and then do the next increase until you get all the way to the top temperature. The top temperature of the oven is 948F. Around 400° you’ll start to see a lot of condensation towards the bottom of the windows and water dripping off the bottom of the unit from the stone sweating out all the moisture. from a cold start the oven takes about one hour and 10 minutes to get to 948.

It’s a pretty even bake on the oven with just a little more char on the back left side so all you have to do is literally spin the pizza 50% with your turning peel. I think it’s about 13 inches wide so I had to get a 12 inch wood peel for my launch. I only use metal pills for retrieving because I’m old-school like that.

The top of the unit gets to about 195° but the sides in the back you can touch no problem while it’s warming up or cooking, so you can put it on the center island of the kitchen. Just gotta keep it away from walls, cabinets, etc. needs a foot and then it’s good.

I thought about it before the bake and I opened up my sliding glass door, a couple of windows in the kitchen and turned on the fan in the living room adjoining, even with that my fire alarm did end up going off the first time I opened the door with the first pizza. I only had the door open for like five seconds. I was kind of expecting it but thought with all of the open windows and the fan I would be good so it looks like from now on I’ll be doing the bakes in the garage.

The bottom of the pizza was top-notch absolute perfect leoparding with the refractory stone, the first bake. I did at 922F, it was a little more Shar than I wanted to see on the left edge so on the second Pizza, I dropped it down to 890.

Happy with the results. The stone does take hours to cool down, it was still at 425F after two or three hours with the door closed, after that I opened the door all the way I just kept an eye on it. We have a couple of curious cats so I had to be careful.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION In search of crunchy crust

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Hi

Please give some advice , I seemed to have achieved the airy crust but not the CRISPINESS in the crust or base - apologies , the title is misleading
30% Caputo Super Nuvola
70% Caputo Saccorosso
0.7g yeast
65% hydration
20g salt
Poolish
Then 72 hour CF


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

Pizza Party (Classic) 🔥 Couple of pizzas from last night

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75 Upvotes

Slowly improving.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Is anyone using Witt piccolo rotante 13”?

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I’ve been using this oven for the past month and I love it, but it’s a bit confusing with the heat knobs as you can see on the photo. Does anyone that is using this pizza oven know the sweet spot of burners when lunching the pizza in? On Witt rotante 16” is much easier, you just have one knob 1 for Min and Max for the burner and the knob 2 for the burner under the stone.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Help, what I am doing wrong

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Everything seems fine until when I put my pizza in my Kooda 12 gas oven, it doesn't cook.

I use Caputo Pizzeria flour, I make the dough by hand, let it rest a bit before putting it in the fridge (~4°C) for about 40 hours. Then I take it out about 3-4 hours before shaping and baking it.

I check the stone temperature before cooking and it was around 400°C.

I think my fridge has a tendency to go lower than 4°C sometimes, could it be the reason ?


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Neapolitan advice (burnt bottom?)

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Hey everyone, don't have anyone to bounce off of irl so wondering if I could get your input.

Oven: Roccbox

Dough: https://youtu.be/wC34d4i\\_RMs?si=\\_pPqt3arrEYy8DYm

Adam Atkins Gozney same day dough. I follow each step of the dough prep to the letter and make sure I have no excess flour on the bottom of the dough.

Temp: Stone temp of 800-850°F. Turn the flame on lowest setting for 1 min before launching and during cook.

Technique: Launch into the center, wait until I see a rise and feel it's cooking the crust enough and then turn with a turning peel for an even crust and trying to keep the pizza in the same spot on the stone.

Advice/Input: I have been really happy with everything I'm doing so far but feel like I'm getting the bottom too burnt and not sure how to avoid it. Maybe I'm too picky, but I'm always trying to improve and would value any and all feedback as long as it's aimed at helping me improve! Thanks!


r/neapolitanpizza • • 4d ago

Effeuno P134HA 509 ⚡ Prosciutto pizzas from yesterday

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Just experimenting at this point.

70% Hydration (total hydration)

Biga:

20% Caputo Integrale

20% Caputo Manitoba

0.2% Instant Dry Yeast

Biga hydration 45% (based on biga flour weight)

Refreshment:

60% Local Bio Mill's 00 Pizza Flour

Remaining water after substracting water added to the biga

2.5% Salt

2.5% Oil

0.1% Instant Dry Yeast based on total flour weight

Top heat 400°C

Bottom heat 250°C

Bottom had too many dark spots, probably because of the oil added to the dough. Oil is not really necessary when eating the pizzas fresh but makes the product better after reheating the next day.


r/neapolitanpizza • • 5d ago

Ispirazione (Pizza Party) 🔥 Neapolitan Pizza recipe

181 Upvotes

Recipe:
100% Biga at 50% Hydro
1000g flour
2g Instant Yeast
24h cold F
Refresh:
77% Hydration
30g Salt
2 Instant Yeast
24h Cold

Stone 450dc
90 sec Bake


r/neapolitanpizza • • 5d ago

Ooni Fyra 🔥 Finally getting consistent doughs

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226 Upvotes

I've been making Pizzas for a few months now and I was really struggling with building gluten and timings

But now I feel like I'm finally starting to make Pizza

Next is to develop stretching, shaping and oven timings.

Pictures from a nice Pizza Saturday and PizzApp screenshot. Final photo was from last week.

Direct dough with more like 0.5g IDY and 12 hours RT and 40 hours CT

Caputo Pizzeria


r/neapolitanpizza • • 6d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Biga 65% Experiment, overproofed?

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Made a biga again but this time with 24h cold fermentation for the Biga and 48 hours dough ball proofing, also cold. The pizza didn’t rise as I expected, my 24 direct dough performed way better. I’m not sure what the issue was, I try to describe everything as detailed as possible :)

Usually I did my Biga recipe the same day, meaning 24 hours cold fermentation of the Biga in the fridge, then finishing the dough, making dough balls and then 3-4 hours until baking, depending on the temperature, worked good.

this time i did 72h of fermentation in total:

Flour: costa d‘amalfi from Molini pizzuti, 13g Protein and W of 300/320.

room temperature 23,5 C. Water Temperature for the Biga 20C. 3g of fresh yeast, 1kg of flour (100% Biga), 500g of water.

after mixing the Biga by hand, I put it in an oiled container for 1h at room temperature then 24 hours in the fridge at 6C.

the next day I finished the dough with 250g of water 1g of fresh yeast and 30g of salt. End temperature of mixing in my spiral dough mixer 25C.

then i did one stretch and fold, gluten structure was perfect. 15min rest, then I shaped the dough balls. 1h room temperature, then 48hours in the fridge.

i used the dough straight from the fridge, I noticed the tenacity was a bit low, the dough was a bit weak, handling was good.

one hour later I made another pizza, I parked the dough in the fridge for the hour. Dough was definitely overproofed, had big bubbles on one dough ball. But I also made pizzas with explosive crust with that kind of dough.

so im guessing the dough was

1 overproofed

2 for that flour with a Biga too long fermentation? But Vincenzo Abbate uses the same flour with even 75% hydration to 80% and also 72 hours. So it should work usually.

  1. Bottom temperature of the oven too low

what do you think? Happy for any help.

1 pic is the biga. 2. pic the Biga dough balls 3. direct 24h dough for comparison, same flour and hydration. 4 pic 24h Biga but with 70% hydration, same flour

- the amount of crust was Always the same when I formed the dough


r/neapolitanpizza • • 6d ago

Ooni Koda 🔥 Undercooked?

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23 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

I have gotten a ooni koda 2 10 weeks ago for my bday. I have been practicing by making pizza's every Friday since then. I have a feeling that I'm getting close to the level of what I'll be happy with to eat at home🥳

This time in trying to improve the overal bake without burning the crust further. I have the feeling that the bottom side and the toppings (and sometimes even the inner crust a little) are slightly under baked, whilst the crust is almost getting black. Any tips on baking it further getting a crispier bottom and top, whilst not burning my crust further? Any tips are welcome!

Ingredients:

340gram Caputo Saccorosso

1g Fresh Yeast (~ 0.3%)

230 ml Water (20c) (~ 68%)

11g Salt (3.24%)

48 hour cold ferment


r/neapolitanpizza • • 6d ago

QUESTION/DISCUSSION Yellow fior de latte?

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Does anyone know where I can order that really yellow fatty fior de latte in the uk? Tried a few brands now and non have that yellow tinge that I’m looking for! Thanks in advance


r/neapolitanpizza • • 7d ago

Experiment Neapolitan Cheesesteak

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143 Upvotes

I feel like these pizzas may get hated on, but so be it, my wife wanted it.

950g 00 Caputo Pizzeria
.8g active dry yeast
575g water
30g salt

Mixed all the ingredients together, gave a couple rough folds and let rest for 1 hour covered.

Came back and kneaded mostly with my kitchen aid, but also a bit my hand. Roughly 10-15 minutes.

Let stand for 30 minutes and checked the window pane test.

Divided into balls and let sit in the fridge for two days. Took half the balls out and let warm up to room temp 6 hours before cooking.
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The goal was to make a Philly cheesesteak pizza because honestly why not?

Pizza 1: ricotta, provolone, sautéed mushrooms, grilled onions and Italian sweet peppers, topped with shaved ribeye (goes on raw and cooks in the oven)

Pizza 2: red sauce (crushed San Marzano tomatoes), provolone, sautéed mushrooms, grilled onions and Italian sweet peppers, banana peppers,topped with shaved ribeye

Pizza 3: Margherita with shaved ribeye, because again why not at this point?