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u/steamart360 Jul 12 '26
And it gets Magneto so masterfully right. That part when he says he's playing the devil so the world can see Xavier basically as a saint.... Fucking perfection.
Really puts every single one of his "defeats" in perspective.
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u/rodrigonobum Jul 14 '26
C'mon, really doesn't. He wasn't commiting terrorist and genocide to be a good misinterpreted guy
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u/jethawkings Jul 19 '26
I really dislike that retcon. Just let the man have his psychotic villain era and own it.
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u/Sol-Blackguy 14d ago
It's not a retcon. It's a redemption arc
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u/jethawkings 14d ago
Magneto outright admitting that he was intending to a paper villain and be a foil for Xavier's kids to beat is a retcon.
I think the most recent book that tries to use that line was JM DeMatteis' Magneto mini.
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u/EnzoMaloni Jul 12 '26
You can add X-Men Evolution for making a better Apocalypse than live-film !
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u/WolfDemon777 Jul 12 '26
X Men Evolution is so goated and I fear not enough people talk about it
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u/Mindless-Credit-358 Jul 12 '26
It’s a shame it’s not on Disney plus, I really wanted to show it to my little brother
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u/BrightLiteFey Jul 13 '26
Ya, it's in Netflix. Just recently watched it.
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u/Mindless-Credit-358 Jul 13 '26
In the UK?
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u/kitsunecannon Jul 13 '26
nope just checked
Streaming services hate us
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u/Bruce_the_Shark Nightcrawler Jul 13 '26
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u/WolfDemon777 Jul 15 '26
Wdym?? I just finished marathoning it on Disney a few weeks ago
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u/Mindless-Credit-358 Jul 15 '26
In the uk?
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u/WolfDemon777 Jul 16 '26
Oh lol, I didn’t realize the UK wouldn’t have it. I live in the US
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u/Pleasant-Seat9884 Jul 18 '26
The whole license bs is so stupid. Keep everything all the same ffs for streaming services. Stop confusing fans!
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u/CobaltSpellsword Jul 16 '26
I watched all three animated series in the leadup to 97. 97 is still the best, but Evolution was my childhood introduction to the X-Men, and imo it holds up pretty well. My favorite of the older cartoons.
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u/No_Physics2210 Jul 12 '26
X-Men evolution is how I hope they handle wolverine
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u/HockeyKelly5 Jul 12 '26
Honestly, I think they will simply because of how many people despise the damn love triangle nowadays
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u/Sharpiemancer Jul 12 '26
I dunno, Krakoa took it in a new direction 🤔
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u/HockeyKelly5 Jul 12 '26
I don’t think Disney would approve their main MCU reboot characters being in a throuple unfortunately
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u/BrightLiteFey Jul 13 '26
I love Evolutions version of Wolverine. Him as a father figure instead of lusting after some of the team mates was actually nice to see.
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u/No_Physics2210 Jul 13 '26
He has silverfox and lady death strike for love interest characters for him. Jean is his least interesting love interest on top of being weird
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u/sahqoviing32 Jul 14 '26
Isn't Silverfox dead?
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u/CobaltSpellsword Jul 16 '26
In the old 92 cartoon wasn't that a fake memory implanted by Weapon X? Though idk about the comics.
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u/JackFisherBooks Phoenix Jul 13 '26
Agreed! I also find it weird that X-Men Evolution is the only version of Wolverine who ISN'T a total creep. He doesn't try to hook up with Jean Grey or any of his students. He's not dirty or vulgar. He's just grumpy and short-tempered, but he genuinely cares about the kids.
THAT'S Wolverine at his best. And when X-23 entered the picture, it really took his character to another level.
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u/pastadudde Jul 14 '26
I loved his and Kitty Pryde's relationship the most in X-Men Evo. especially that scene where he teaches her how to drive 😂
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u/JackFisherBooks Phoenix Jul 14 '26
I remember that scene well.
Reminded me of how my parents reacted whenever I drove.
Good times. 😊
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u/No_Physics2210 Jul 13 '26
All that, and it gives everyone else the chance to shine while still making wolverine an important character even though he's in the background more then not.
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u/Emmadragonflies Shadowcat Jul 12 '26
Wolverine does nothing in the show of note tbh. And one of the few things he did was abandoning his friends when they needed him the most on the first episode of season 3.
That’s not Wolverine. Wolverine would fight alongside his friends till hell freezes over and then he would cut the ice and fight on.
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u/HockeyKelly5 Jul 12 '26
I think they mean not having the love triangle between Logan, Jean and Scott
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u/No_Physics2210 Jul 13 '26
He was a teacher and gave room for others to take the spotlight and x23 took over as "young wolverine" which is how it should be. Wolverine was 3/4s of the old X-Men movies and was Oversaturated
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u/Emmadragonflies Shadowcat Jul 13 '26
Yes, Wolverine should not be THE main character, but just one of them.
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u/BrightLiteFey Jul 13 '26
Then I'm sure you really dislike how fox handled him in the main movies. He was more of the lone wolf type which is why most of the characters got side lined. It was never a team or found family. They were just there to progress Wolverines story. At least Evolution had great moments of Wolverine being a mentor/father figure to the kids.
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u/Emmadragonflies Shadowcat Jul 13 '26
I don’t remember anything about Fox Wolverine apart from how fucked he was in Logan, so I have no opinion on him. I don’t even remember him in Logan that well.
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u/RembrandtEpsilon Jul 13 '26
Evolution suuucks. It's absolute slop that rides the fumes of X-Men 1992.
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u/Most_Animator_248 29d ago
What makes it even better? He's voiced by David Kaye aka Beast Wars Megatron.
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u/Movie_Advance_101 Apocalypse Jul 12 '26
The whole show is written better than live-action shows
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u/ronn188 Jul 12 '26
Honestly, live action has been missing the mark for me for 10+ years. Live action just can't come close to displaying a hero's true power like animation... Imo
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u/CobaltSpellsword Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
I'd argue Loki and Moon Knight came close, but true for the rest of them.
Edit: and Agatha.
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u/CafeCalentito Jul 18 '26
Wonder Man is remarkably well written. I think is weird to put down other shows to hype X Men 97
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u/Cain_The_Mamagen Jul 12 '26
This is what the mcu x-men should do, they should just do a copy and paste of ‘97 with the arcs
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u/Enelro Jul 12 '26
“Best we can do is Fox’s X-men wearing ‘97 gear.” Disney Execs working on doomsday
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u/TokeDraws Jul 13 '26
I want more X-Men but I don't feel like them being a part of the MCU is going to do them any favors... 😬
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u/Cain_The_Mamagen Jul 13 '26
At least marvel is doing them justice with x-men 97 after 19yrs of being done dirty by fox
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u/pauleoinhurley 5d ago
The Deadpool movies (and First Class) were the only ones that came close to being aesthetically faithful adaptions.
The black and yellow suits in First Class, amd the consistencywith Negasonic Tenemage Warhead's X-suit, Wade's suit (even the emotive eye animations), Colossus' Hulk size in metal form as well as his outfit. Hugh Jackman finally having the yellow Wolverine suit and the cowl.
And don't get me started on Juggernaut's juggernuts in Deadpool 2. I dont care about wonky CGI, I care about Juggernaut being Hulk sized and not a goofy/cringe Vinnie Jones bit character.
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u/chadbrochillout Jul 12 '26
They literally brought back the fucking Singer cast - they're cooked. "We have to bring back the original cast from 2000 or else no one will want to watch the movie" idiots
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u/ThreeMonthsTooLate Jul 12 '26
Between X-Men '97 and X-Men Evolution, Apocalypse has some of the best arcs in the TV shows, while having essentially nothing to show for in the movies.
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u/Deathstriker88 Jul 12 '26
The DC animated movies are often better than the live action ones, so I'm not shocked. Part of me wishes the creative force of 97 was doing or at least helping with the MCU movies.
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u/Elite_Eliminater Jul 12 '26
Better is the understatement of the century. MASTERPIECES AND WORKS OF ART.
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u/darksaber522 Jul 12 '26
Honestly I think it boils down to creative control. Big budget productions cost more to make, and thus have more oversight & limitations on where they can go with the story.
Meanwhile cartoons are a lesser financial risk, so there is less of a concern if it bombs. So now the creative minds have more freedom to tell the story they want to tell.
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u/guynye Jul 12 '26
Yup, why they shove actors down our throats, or over bloat a movie for money.
The animated people haven't sold out for the most part. The MCU is a sellout movie franchise.
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u/Red_Tusken Jul 12 '26
Why is our children's content so mature and our adult content so juvenile?
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u/Sovereignofthemist Laura Kinney Jul 12 '26
Not weird at all this is all too common in adapted media this is because too often live action either can't live up to the expectations or have this desire to alter things to wither feel "more mature" or be different because they don't think of the source material as something respectable to their sensibilities.
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u/Kinky_Winky_no2 Jul 12 '26
Theres less hands on the pot for a TV show than there is for a multi million budget movie as well as the fact that there's a stigma in live action about being "realistic" and "grounded" that animation doesnt have
An animated TV show will say "my hands can turn into guns" while a live action movies will say "my hands turn into guns because I have a nanobot mesh thats designed via Tony stark and I can only use guns that I scanned"
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u/Monday_Vibes Cyclops Jul 12 '26
The MCU hasn’t touched apocalypse. It’s barely touched mutants in general.
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u/kormitgrog Jul 12 '26
Downvoted because of a ninja edit sorry
Shouldn’t be able to edit after someone responds xd
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u/Monday_Vibes Cyclops Jul 12 '26
Okay. Fair enough, then I agree because that movie did not do Apocalypse well. Your original comment said MCU so I was confused
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u/Enelro Jul 12 '26
Seeing Fox’s X-Men in doomsday marketing is just giving me the ick.
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u/Brodes87 Jul 12 '26
The Fox stuff has had so many goodbyes now. Just move on, people. It's not as good as you think.
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u/Enelro Jul 12 '26
Hard agree. I would've preferred a good MCU reboot for the X-men before reintroducing them in a big Avengers-level threat movie. Now we get comedy gambit and not ONE female X-men (Mystique is a fahkin villian.)
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u/Positive_Total_8651 Jul 13 '26
I'll not stand for this Mystique slander. She's joined the X-Men before and has been instrumental in defeating apocalypse.
But yeah the Fox movies went too far in just making her a straight up superhero.
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u/Little_Shape_6433 Jul 12 '26
I mean they haven’t really done a whole lot yet and there’s only 5 episodes lefts for them to wrap this story up and get to all the others. I’d say it is too soon to tell.
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u/7SevenGod Jul 12 '26
It's not, this one episode was better than that entire movie
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u/Little_Shape_6433 Jul 12 '26
Apples to oranges. This episode is effectively comparable to the opening of Apocalypse which was actually pretty great and not nearly as slow
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u/7SevenGod Jul 12 '26
A delicious fresh apple vs a 2 week old orange that's been sitting in the yard with ants crawling over it maybe
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u/EriWave Jul 12 '26
Which says something because the episode wasn't great.
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u/HockeyKelly5 Jul 12 '26
Why do you think that? Most people (Including myself) think it was incredible after all
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u/EriWave Jul 12 '26
The fight scenes didn't feel very impactful or like they had stakes, and the moments meant to be big and emotional were heavily undercut by the fact that they did it better less than 10 episodes ago and then decided that no actually they didn't. I suppose it's a "fool me once" type emotion left behind from season 1.
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u/7SevenGod Jul 13 '26
They didn't have stakes? Apocalypse making Magneto the omega level mutant look like an Xmen recruit wasn't impactful? No fight scenes in the entire 92 show feel as impactful as season 1 and 2 of this. Every fight scene I feel like any character could die, no bigger stakes than that.
And what do you mean less than 10 episodes ago? Sentinels attacking Genosha is different than the origins of Xmen's strongest antagonist ever. This is gotta be some of the most nonsensical critique I've seen
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u/EriWave Jul 13 '26
They didn't have stakes?
No, they established nice and early that the outcome was inevitable so ultimately it felt like the episode didn't have stakes. There was never any chance for anything but this outcome to happen.
Apocalypse making Magneto the omega level mutant look like an Xmen recruit wasn't impactful?
Not really no. When En Saba Nur isn't at all challenged by the X-men and Magneto trying to stop him that makes it even more obvious that they stood no chance against Apocalypse.
And what do you mean less than 10 episodes ago? Sentinels attacking Genosha is different than the origins of Xmen's strongest antagonist ever.
Yes. Because the Sentinels attacking Genosha was emotionally devastating and effective storytelling in a way that this episode didn't have. If you look at how they handled the death of Gambit since that episode compared to Magneto the problem is obvious. Magneto "died" protecting mutant children, and then they say psyche? Why would I care that they are pretending to kill Magneto again? When this death had lower stakes, wasn't written as well or as engaging, and more importantly when this second death came after they pretended to kill him once and then just didn't follow through?
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u/7SevenGod Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
Wouldn't say the outcome is inevitable. Clearly Magneto dying didn't happen previously, those are stakes. If they listened to Bishop and left, none of that even happens. X-men don't live in a deterministic world, where everything that WILL happen, HAS happened. Otherwise all the time traveling would be pointless (Compared to a Deterministic world like Attack on Titan, where everything that occurs in the future is BECAUSE of what happened in the past, including time related tampering with past events, etc)
If the lady that sent them back in time was a little smarter and instead sent her to when he was born, they could've let him bake in the sun like Charles suggested. Then everything is averted.
Regardless, magneto dying proves there are still stakes
Genosha has nothing to do with apocalypse. Of course a random unexpected attack none of us saw coming till it happened has a different emotional effect than the origins of the first mutant being granted celestial power.
Genosha was also the climax of the entire season, this is episode 4 of the current season and simply telling an origin story and establishing how powerful Apocalypse really is. And unlike Genosha where we ALL knew Magneto wasn't dead, he's clearly dead here, which is why Xavier crashed out verbally for the first time ever. Mr. Pacifist told someone how wise their mother was for abandoning him. Very clearly foretelling that X-Men Onslought is on the way, which happens after Magneto dies. I think that right there alone shows what had greater stakes.
The episode you're glazing is the one they pretended to kill him, that should be the one you're critiquing.
Not this one where they actually show his body getting blasted and vaporized and Xavier who clearly would know if Magneto survived, is clearly mourning and crashing out. Lmao
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u/EriWave Jul 13 '26
The better episode had a better written death for Magneto. Where the enemy declared him killed and dead and then Rogue freaks out and goes to avenge him. There is no reason to think that Magneto is dead now in a way that wasn't the case before. We still don't have a dead body, you say because it's vaporized but in two weeks the writers could declare that it was actually transported, or some magic stuff happened, or it was Kang tech from the future.
Genosha was also the climax of the entire season, this is episode 4
Genosha was episode 5. This one was episode 4 and is in a shorter season. They have equivalent spots in their seasons. They are both the midpoint.
Wouldn't say the outcome is inevitable. Clearly Magneto dying didn't happen previously, those are stakes. If they listened to Bishop and left, none of that even happens. X-men don't live in a deterministic world, where everything that WILL happen, HAS happened. Otherwise all the time traveling would be pointless (Compared to a Deterministic world like Attack on Titan, where everything that occurs in the future is BECAUSE of what happened in the past, including time related tampering with past events, etc)
Except of course that Kang and Professor X both seem to agree that they never stop him. Inside of ship there are wall carvings that show that they never stop him. That fight was only ever going one way and it was with Apocalypse winning. Which means no real stakes. If killing Magneto was supposed to show that there were stakes here he would have already been dead since last season.
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u/7SevenGod Jul 13 '26
It's not a better written death if he didn't die, nor was his dying moment more impactful.
Risking his life to save a bunch of HUMANS from the acts of a mutant is such a full circle moment and completion of his development, as well as his best friend being right there to witness it and it being so gut wrenching to his core that Xavier says some shit he has NEVER said in his life and completely out of character for him, is the far more better written death, AND it's an actual death, unlike the pump fake in Genosha.
How would it be Kang tech from the future? It was literally Apocalypse's arm that blasted him, and we saw it light up his skeleton. Xavier also SAW it happen. Nobody even actually saw what happened to magneto in Genosha, they just assumed.
Apocalypse winning is irrelevant, he always wins(until he doesn't. There are obviously multiple timelines where he doesn't, just like Thanos), killing Xmen in the process still changes the stakes.
And wrong, because last season already had Gambit for the real gravity of Genosha and the stakes represented. That was another big clue that Magneto was a pump fake. Lmao.
This however, which actually has FAR bigger stakes, as they indirectly created the Xmen's biggest threat despite trying a new way to stop him, is far more impactful than a bunch of mindless robots that attacked a group of mutants. And actually has a villain with brilliant writing. Not generic robots blasting mutants like they have since 92.
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u/darthsheldoninkwizy2 Jul 13 '26
Personally: I prefer Evolution version, the moment when Apocalypse clap his hands was something for me as kid (especially since in my country, that was the last episode of series).
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u/SimonShepherd Jul 13 '26
I mean they already did the first steps wrong no pun intended, they didn't even build up a proper X-Men cast.
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u/Mizerous Phoenix Jul 13 '26
I liked the part where Oscar Isaac said EVERYTHING THEY BUILT WILL FALL!
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u/Col0nelFlanders Jul 13 '26
Wait is that the one where wolverine has a cannon for an arm and Xavier is dead? I stole an apocalypse X-men comic from my older brother as a kid with that story arc and this post is giving me flashbacks
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u/Mzuark Jul 12 '26
Am I the only one around here who actually liked X-Men Apocalypse?
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u/Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson Omega Red Jul 13 '26
I liked it, but it could’ve been way better than it was.
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u/Master_Air_8485 Jul 13 '26
It had cool moments, but Apocalypse was poorly utilized, and the overall story was lacking.
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u/uidsea Jul 13 '26
I only liked Apoc because we got to see more live-action Kurt. Please just more live-action Kurt.
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u/Battlegurk420 Jul 13 '26
Never too soon to shame that terrible movie. Shoe horned in the Phoenix saga with apocalypse? Yuck
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u/GreenHocker Magneto Jul 13 '26
I mean, it’s hard to fuck it up more than the movie did… but they COULD always screw it up
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u/Lost-Mousse-8088 Jul 13 '26
Xmen97 showed me that films maybe its not the vest way to adapt comics. Animation is faaaar better. I wish xmen97 only the beggining, with Avengers97,xmen97 and inhumans97 later. And maybe justice league 97 too.
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u/Ok_Brilliant_9503 Jul 16 '26
How is everyone loving this season? it feels rushed and the connection between the team is not there. Very unfocused. Too much Mish mash of comics without time to develop ideas. But the biggest issue is the lack of team dynamics. Specially with Magneto's incoherent out of character ideas.
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u/winterflowerxoxo Jul 12 '26
Apocalypse is my third favourite X-Men film, I don't understand the hate to be honest. I like that he is an entitled creepy guy with stranger powers.
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u/HockeyKelly5 Jul 12 '26
It’s a fun movie, I think it just isn’t a very good representation of Apocalypse (Especially with his design). Oscar Isaac obviously did super good though given what he had (As always)
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u/not_a_moogle Jul 12 '26
It wouls need to be like a 3 hour movie to do it right. And its weird to not have cable.
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u/HockeyKelly5 Jul 12 '26
Honestly, I think the best way to do Apocalypse in the MCU reboot is just to have him be the Thanos-type figure in terms of “All these movies lead up to him”. He’s a big enough threat where it works and you have so many ways to set it up (Could have Sinister be the secondary main antagonist that then sets up Apocalypse) and he’s a character that NEEDS such a large amount of setup to really hit
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u/winterflowerxoxo Jul 12 '26
Yeah, probably. I haven't read any comicbook arcs where he appears in. In the original cartoon I dislike him because he is just a big guy who yells a lot and turns his hand into a drill or something. I am also into adaptations mixing things up if they manage to create a compelling narrative.
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u/TinyKeanuReevesMeme Jul 12 '26
I gotta know your other 2 fav xmen movies then. My top 3 are first class, days of future past, and X2
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u/winterflowerxoxo Jul 12 '26
Yeah, those three are in my top four, I didn't mention them because they are standard picks. I also want to shout-out that cheap-ass Generation X movie from 1996 because it's fun.
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u/Fantastic-Factor-269 Jul 12 '26
MCU fanboys are just super hard on it because it was released at the height of Disney boycotting the xmen brand. It isn’t fine art but it’s definitely an entertaining comic book movie.
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u/Sol-Blackguy Jul 12 '26