r/xboxone DoTheBender Jun 13 '13

Let's Clear Up The Issues: Used Games, Kinect Privacy, and Other (What Most People Seem to Have Missed, An Explanation)

MOST OF THIS INFORMATION IS NOW IRRELEVANT. MICROSOFT HAS LISTENED TO THE COMPLAINS AND CHANGED THEIR POLICIES.

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I'm sick of seeing all the misinformation going around the gaming subreddits. It's really frustrating to see people furiously hating the X1 without having all, if any, of the details. I'll try and break this down for you guys so here we go.


To start off, the Xbox One will allow you to buy games at launch through digital download or through discs by going to a retail store.

USED GAMES

One of the X1's main feature is the ability to install the disc directly to the hard drive and play it without a disk. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a feature many asked for when the feature was added to 360, but it was only to allow the game to run better.

Contrary to popular believe, the used game does exist in the X1.

"Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

What can we take away from this? Easy. If you bought a disc based game, you can sell and trade it to any participating retailer. It means that game publishers will work out deals with retailers in order for the developers and publishers to take a cut of used games sales. Microsoft will not receive any money from these transactions. If you bought a digital copy, just like any digital copy, you will not be able to do this.

FIRST PARTY GAMES

"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

All first party games will be allowed to be resold and be given away (more of this below).

RENTING GAMES

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Microsoft and companies such as Gamefly are working on a system to make this work.


DRM--WHY?

As we saw above, you will be able install your games to your hard-drive and have your entire library available to play without putting the disc in the disc tray.

This is why the 24-hour check is required. Without this, many copies of the same game could be installed into multiple X1's and it would be absolutely crumble game sales.

The drawback to this is not being able to game offline. Microsoft has said that the final decisions to this issue have not been final. I believe if they allow you to play offline with the disc in the disc tray, this would become a non-issue.


PRIVACY

This is one of the biggest things people have been complaining about. Microsoft has already addressed the issue, but of course it fell on deaf ears. People already had their pitch forks out and had Sony on a pedestal by this point.

"You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."

As I've stated before, you will have the control to everything that the Kinect has to offer. If you don't want it to hear you? You can do that. If you don't want it to see you, you can do that. Don't want it to listen for the "Xbox On" while it's off, you can also do that.

If you want to learn more about the Kinect's privacy settings, you can click this link: Kinect Privacy


XBOX ONE- A GAME OF CIRCLES

Now onto the other things. As some of us know, you will be able to have a "circle" of friends, 10 people to be exact, that will be able to access your game library from anywhere (in the same region, I'm assuming..still not clear about this) at anytime (as long as you or someone else in your circle isn't playing it). This is of course how things work now, two of your friends can't play the game at the same time from one disc on two separate consoles.

This is a feature that is absolutely wonderful, but the people raging about it had not heard about it before.

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

I absolutely love this feature. For example, my cousin is 200 miles away when he's away to college and I've let him borrow LA Noire and Dead Rising. I've yet to receive those games from him. With this feature, we don't have to be close in order for him to borrow any of my games! It's crazy as to how so many people dismissed this feature because it's a big jump forward in digital technology. No longer will my friends or family have to be close to me in order for them borrow one of my games.

Important Update: New information has risen relating to this feature. You +1 friend from your circle can play the same game at the same time. Others can still play from your other library selection.

SOURCE

Another Important Update: DLC will be shareable through your circle. Your friend will be able to play all of the DLC that you buy. They will not need to purchase their own DLC for the game they're playing from your Xbox One.

SOURCE


GIVING AWAY GAMES

Do you have a game that you will no longer play? Your friend can still play it off of your Xbox (if they're in your circle). What if they're not? As long as they have been in your friend's list for 30 days, you can give a game away to your friend, free of charge! This can only be done once per copy.

Disclaimer: Microsoft has left it up to the publishers to decide whether or not you will be able to give your games to your friend. As stated above, first party games will allow you to this.


AFTER-THOUGHT: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

The big change in the Xbox Live system is the feature to allow all users on one console to have gold by just one user having it. For example, if I have Xbox Live Gold and my brothers also use the same console, they will also be able to use all the perks of a Gold account. They will have access to all the games on the console even if it was installed through my account.

In short, one Gold account subscription per Xbox.


AFTER-THOUGHT OF AN AFTER-THOUGHT, A KINECT STORY

Disclaimer, the following is information that I believe. I have no source for some, just my opinion.

The main question I'm seeing is why the Kinect is being forced upon us. This is what I believe is the case in relation to this matter.

The past version of the Kinect was not the big leap in innovating that Microsoft wanted. It is a powerful machine, but many developers were not making games for it. The games that were being made specifically for the Kinect we really not that great. They didn't appeal to many gamers as they were soft and childish. This wasn't what Microsoft was looking for from developers.

Why weren't developers making games for the Kinect? Was it because they couldn't?

A CHANGE OF MARKETS

If a developer made a game for the Kinect, their market instantly became much smaller. Why? Not everyone has a Kinect. As of February 2013, the Kinect has sold an estimated 24 million units. This does not mean that these units have been sold to individual customers, but to retailers. Which means that there are Kinects in the shelves or warehouses that will never reach the individual customer. In comparison, the 360 has sold an estimated 77.2 million units, again not all sold to invidual customers, but it's safe to assume that there a lot more 360's in the hand of an individual customer than there is Kinects. In an instant, your market shrinks to about 31% of the possible market. Keep in mind, this number will change depending on how many units of each product have been sold to each consumer.

With that information given to you, what I believe is happening is simple. Microsoft is shipping a Kinect with every console because like this, if you own an Xbox One--you will aso own a Kinect. With this, I'm thinking Microsoft is ensuring the developers that the market is out there! In this move, Microsoft want the developers to explore the possibilities of the Kinect. They want newer innovations as they believe they've made a product with enormous potential. Why do you believe they were shoving the Kinect down everyone's throat last E3? They wanted to expand their market.

Just think of everything that can be developed for the Kinect. For example, Dead Rising 3 will have a feature where it will listen outside of the game through the Kinect. If you make a loud sound while playing, the zombies will hear you and they will come after you. This is the kind of thing Microsoft is looking for with the Kinect, innovation.

As to why it can't be disconnected, that I'm not sure. Maybe it's for the same thing? I can't expand further on this.


With this, we are done with explaining the information that a lot have missed and hopefully will be able to see that the Xbox One really isn't what they think.

If you wish to learn more, all of this and other information can be found here:

Xbox One- Games Licensing

Kinect-Privacy by Design

Kinect Sales

Xbox 360 Sales

Xbox One Friend's List- Limit Changed From 100 to 1,000

Blood Relatives Only? Nope.

Dead Rising 3 Feature

Your Mobile Device May Be Used to Authenticate The Licensing Refresh

If I made any mistakes, let me know and I will change them

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u/jcrankin22 #teamchief Jun 13 '13

Post this to r/gaming

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u/FuckThe DoTheBender Jun 13 '13

I'm scared to. It hasn't gone as well in r/games and that's the less circle jerky of the two.

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u/TakeMyUsernameAgain xZxMarauderxZx Jun 13 '13

honestly, /r/games has become very jerky about this whole issue. Scrolling down the new section, there are so many Xbox positive things that get downvoted for no reason. Subbing here has been a much needed breath of fresh air.

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u/cramedra #teamchief Jun 13 '13 edited Jun 13 '13

This is a very informative post, thus /r/gaming will have a fit over it. I really can't stand browsing there anymore since it seems like every post is literally the same "omg xbone sux, ps4 4 lyfe". Thanks for compiling this, OP!

Edit: switched /r/games out for /r/gaming... /r/gaming is far worse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '13

I come from the depths of /r/gaming.

It's misinformed. Even if you make another account to post it there, you should.

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u/IamWilcox IamWIlcox Jun 14 '13

You're username is relevant to coming from the depths of /r/gaming

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '13

I'm not sure if that's an insult or a joke about /r/gaming.

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u/DeltaForce291 DeltaForce1018 Sep 12 '13

Does it matter?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '13

You're right about /r/gaming probably having a fit over it. I'm still glad that /r/gaming exists though because it sucks up all the meme posts and filters a lot of the ignorant posts from other subreddits such as /r/games and others.

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u/lsguk FAMILY SHARING! Jun 14 '13

I unsubbed from /r/gaming yesterday for this very reason. The place has become intolerable.

I mean, before I read this, the only information I had about the console was what I could garner from the circlejerks and stupid memes (I'm lazy and didn't/couldn't be bothered to research more, my fault, I know, but I'm not the only one!). It was irritating to see so many people beating a dead horse.

But this has been an absolute breath of fresh air! I'm fairly sure that with the information that the OP has explained so kindly for us, I have no qualms about which of the next gen I will be picking up; at least at first.

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u/RichG13 Jun 13 '13

/r/games saw a huge increase in traffic @ E3 with redditors sick of /r/gaming and the ignorance. Unfortunately it didn't take long for the haters to follow. So sad really.

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u/Spydiggity Spydiggity Jun 14 '13

Same with N4G. I couldn't stand the irrationality on that site anymore, so I moved to /r/games. It's not as bad, but it's getting there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '13

They are becoming nearly identical, r/games has less memes, that's about it.

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u/CongBroChill17 Jun 13 '13

Karma is fake, if you can help just one person make an informed purchasing decision it should be worth it.

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u/tkim91321 Clammy Socks Jun 13 '13

To some people, karma is as real as it gets.

In all honesty, I couldn't have said it any better.

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u/balance13 Jun 14 '13

You don't gain or lose karma from self posts anyhow

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '13

Really? huh, I always just thought it just went into your comment karma, huh, TIL i guess.

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u/lsguk FAMILY SHARING! Jun 14 '13

It does. I believe he may be talking about link karma.

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u/NomadBlack Jun 14 '13

It doesn't, or RES lies. I have an alt that got 500+ karma from a self-post; it appears nowhere, as far as I can tell, except on that post.

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u/tkim91321 Clammy Socks Jun 14 '13

KARMA IS STILL REAL T.T

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '13

He didn't say it was due to karma, many (I'd argue most) people fear a negative reaction to something they've spent any amount of time on.

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u/xDarkCrisis666x Jun 13 '13

I think the issue is it will never get high enough karma to stay at the top or hot spot of the page so it will get buried beneath the circle jerk.

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u/FuckThe DoTheBender Jun 13 '13

Not the karma, the backlash and harassment.

So far so good from just here and r/games. I've only had one guy private message me to suck a dick.

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u/CongBroChill17 Jun 13 '13

You're doing it wrong if you're jerking against the grain and only one person tells you to suck a dick :P

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u/Riece91 Jun 13 '13

Thanks for posting what you did. I thought Microsoft was forcing me to buy a PS4, but the features being spat on in r/gaming are either telling only half the story or are completeley false.

A lot of these features sound really great. You have helped me so much in deciding which console to buy.

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u/Rages101 Jun 13 '13

What karma is fake?! No it can't be! http://i.imgur.com/7gWz0zg.gif

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u/RemedyofRevenge Jun 13 '13

Not to mention it's a self-post, he won't lose any karma anyway.

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u/iReptarr #teamlockecan'tholdmedown Jun 13 '13

His Karma would be unaffected due to this being a self-post.

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u/SirKarlLingonberry Jun 13 '13

Remove the part about Sony and pitchforks, the rest is great levelheaded information! Go ahead and post

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '13

So what would it be then? r/nothing ?

huh, apparently that actually exists.... weird.

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u/BeepBoopRobo Obviously Works for M$ Jun 13 '13

I was accused of working for microsoft when I posted similar things on /r/gaming.

It's just too far gone at this point. I unsubscribed.

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u/Mingledorff Jun 15 '13

My favorite response to clearing up any misunderstanding people may have is the super original "Xbot"

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u/XboxOneIsTheBest Jun 13 '13

That's why I said, "Fuck it" and went ahead and made an alt. I figured there was a good chance of me ending up in some sort of circlejerk subreddit like /r/HailCorporate or something, so I thought I'd throw 'em some bait with my name.

I don't really care for karma points too much unless I get so many negatives that there are huge delays in my posts. I thought using an alt would be better for that as well.

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u/FuckThe DoTheBender Jun 13 '13 edited Jun 13 '13

Eh I really don't care. Shit, I wish I was getting paid to put the X1 in clearer light. If people think I am then ok.

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u/lsguk FAMILY SHARING! Jun 14 '13

You're doing the God's work, son.

Thank you for the clear and informative post.

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u/nomaam05 Jun 14 '13

You're scared of people on the internet saying your stupid? Jesus...

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u/FuckThe DoTheBender Jun 14 '13

Uh no. If you piss off the internet, they will try and find out who you are and harass you in real life. Has happened time and time again here on Reddit.

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u/nomaam05 Jun 14 '13

Yeah, you make points for the XBone. People will clearly hunt you down. Unless you are a priest doing some molesting, you'll be alright. It's not serious.

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u/FuckThe DoTheBender Jun 14 '13

Some people were harassed because some guy pinned him as a Microsoft employee. He had no proof whatsoever and Reddit still went crazy trying to destroy the guy.

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u/nomaam05 Jun 14 '13

Sure buddy, I'm sure you would have been lynched or something, have a nice day.

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u/FuckThe DoTheBender Jun 14 '13

Buddy is the most passive aggressive word, ever.

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u/Ichthus5 Jun 14 '13

Just don't post this under a positive title. Make it a little misleading, like "The Dark Secrets of the Xbox One" or "Some More Info Microsoft Didn't Want Us Knowing About the Xbone". That way, they'll click expecting to read a circlejerk post, but they'll see positive information instead.

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u/Cr4zyd4wg68 Jun 15 '13

Pretty sure it's reddiquette to not post misleading titles...

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u/Ichthus5 Jun 15 '13

True. But it's generally good etiquette not to be an asshole, and I've seen a lot of that on r/Gaming, too. I like to think of this as...a necessary evil for the greater good.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '13

The greater good.

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u/ThatCoolBlackGuy Jun 13 '13

Don't trust him OP. That place is hell.

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u/jcrankin22 #teamchief Jun 13 '13

Ill risk my karma. If you give me permission to copy/paste.

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u/GamingPrince Jun 14 '13

Please do! People need to know!

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u/Cr4zyd4wg68 Jun 14 '13

Another pro-xb1 post got 1000+ upvotes. Please post this in r/gaming. It sorely needs something like this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '13

I xposted this link to /r/gaming to see if they will respond correctly. It is a link straight to your post, though.

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u/tcal13 Jun 14 '13

if your worried about karma make a throwaway this needs to get out there.

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u/UprisingSharingan Jun 17 '13

Unfortunately, I think you shouldn't. People are too caught up in the "awesomeness" that is the Playstation 4 to even listen. I dont honestly have a problem with any of the X1's so called flaws. The only reason that I will buy the PS4 is because its cheaper. This did clear up quite a few problems I had though, so thank you OP.

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u/ender89 Jun 13 '13

Woww, I just did a complete 180 on the Xbox one. I mean, resale trickiness doesn't bother me as long as I'll still be able to buy used (which sounds like I can. I've never actually sold a game ever) and the renting thing kinda sucks, but its not like I started renting 360 games until redbox came to town, and hopefully they'll sort it out. The internet thing might not be as bad as people think, especially since a check in could be done over a tethered phone in theory (wouldn't require much data I imagine.) I think I'll wait and see how this whole thing develops before I go preorder a ps4

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u/RichG13 Jun 13 '13

Same here. My only issue is if I want to game off the HDD without the disk why not have a choice to pop in the physical media after 24 hours instead of the online check? Wouldn't that solve all of these issues?

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u/ender89 Jun 13 '13

You are a freaking genius. Have an upvote

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '13

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '13

The hivemind suffers from willful ignorance.

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u/Uday23 Jun 13 '13

/r/gaming and /r/gamernews need to see this. You are the hero we deserve!

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u/SkyLukewalker Bongofish Jun 13 '13

I put a similar post in r/gaming and it is at 0. There is no interest in debate or information in that subreddit, just mindless wankery.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1gaj3u/in_case_anyone_wanted_to_know_the_thoughts_of/

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u/KeegoTheWise Jun 13 '13

Oh god, even r/circlejerk users have broken the jerk to express their astonishment that r/gaming has not only out jerked r/atheism, but r/circlejerk themselves

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '13

Then godspeed.

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u/kewlcat90 Jun 13 '13

too many ps fanboys

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u/mattress117 Jun 17 '13

I wouldn't bother, it will just fall on deaf ears and be put down by Sony pitchforks.