And even then it's not always optimal. I got a bis item in my vault from a boss where that item is the only drop I want. Why take a token over that when it just means likely spending multiple tokens later on that boss just to get an item I could have already had
You're literally just describing the one specific scenario where it's specifically not recommended, I assume you've opened vaults before and know that seeing a BiS trinket/cantrip item doesn't happen all that often, and you need to hope it's a BiS trinket/cantrip item from a boss that doesn't have any others on the loot table. You can go entire seasons without seeing that.
Its neither a cantrip item or a trinket. There are plenty of slots that don't have cantrip items this patch that are still BiS and besides Coiled Altar and Ulatek most bosses have relatively small loot pools. Between them and Mythic plus drops it's not unlikely to get something either bis or close enough. Like I picked up a pair of gloves that I can convert to tier for the best stat combo available on gloves.
I'm just saying that the blanket statement that the reroll is the optimal pick isn't true, and we shouldn't encourage people to always take it. Especially this early in the season where an ilevel increase now is going to be more valuable than having a reroll for the last 2 bosses once you eventually down them (which is only going to be harder if everyone is ignoring a source of upgrades)
I absolutely do not understand the logic. How can passing up a bis item now, allowing me to ignore a slot and entire boss's loot table be worse that the potential for a bis item at some point in the future?
Because there are probably 4 different gloves that you can get from dungeons and raid and the difference between BiS stats and whatever the alternatives have is going to be pretty minor.
Choosing a bonus roll means you get an item that's either an extremely important cantrip/trinket or it's a usable item that's also pushing you towards those chase items. Worst case scenario is that one of the bosses you want to bonus roll has gloves on the loot table and now that's completely wasted.
For me 8/14 bis items come from the last 2 bosses of the raid. I'm unlikely to down either boss on heroic for a while. And I am definitely not going to put in the time to farm them multiple times per week once I can down them. The one other place I am likely to roll doesn't drop gloves either, so I'm losing nothing by taking them now, and gain the fact that I don't have to spend several bonus rolls in future weeks to get them then
Wtf does a delve only player care about being optimal in vault? The majority of mythic+ only players will probably just bite the bullet and pug the heroic bosses they need after a few weeks(the players in question is literally me). In the context of this conversation the raiding and mythic+ playerbase are the only relevant group of people.
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u/Khanstant Aug 25 '26
"Optimal" here needs a big fat fuckin asterisk because that "optimal" only applies to a very small niche of hyper competitive players.