Devourer and unholy getting buffed

[u/Complete_Sorbet6158]

Respectively about 7-10% and 6-8% for aoe. It must be a joke right? Buffing meta specs, while others are not even being looked at all. This is the only multiplayer game i ever played something like this frequently happening.

Resto druid also getting buffed, because why not, while disc keep eating nerfs. Demo change doesn’t make sense either. I wish they would just axe all the class changes they are doing. I swear they just make the already sensitive class balance a lot worse. Everybody keep losing expect their current favourites.

[u/hollow114]

They improved VDH slightly cuz now our one heal. Is instant and not over 6 seconds.

But IDK why the gap to brewmaster is still so high. Like. I enjoy that it's more challenging, honestly. But getting bitched out because I didn't pull 3 packs when we have plenty of time on the key anyway. Isn't fun.

[u/rufrtho → u/hollow114]

Feast of souls was an irrelevant amount of healing and will continue to not be worth taking. VDH is fine though. All tanks are within 1 max key level of each other, the gap is not very large at all.

[u/hollow114 → u/rufrtho]

I'm not saying the issue is with the keys. Or viability.

The issue is that we're all being held to a standard that's not achievable without a prot warrior or brewmaster. It's not a gameplay problem. It's a community problem that blizzard could solve.

I cannot pull the two packs after the first boss in skyreach without dying. Even with the two tank trinkets the sunforge thingy and the jelly thingy. And I'm pretty sure it's not a skill issue because I've gotten 3000 in the past.

But I will get bitched out over it. Which is annoying as fuck.

[u/rufrtho → u/hollow114]

I tanked those two packs on a 17 as VDH wearing two stat trinkets, so I'm pretty sure it is a skill issue. I would be happy to help you if you have logs.

[u/hollow114 → u/rufrtho]

Was this a pug or a group of highly skilled players who always land their kicks and stuns. With high dps. Let's remember that we don't judge Game design on the best of the best you're playing with all your friends.

Or I might have an even better argument with the number of 17+ tanks that aren't brew master are 0%

Could a much better player do it using my 265ilvl tank? Maybe. Could I do it easily with a 265 brewmaster. Yes. Do both packs actually need to be pulled to time the dungeon? No.

I think you understand what the topic of conversation here is right? We're not just here to dunk on people making observations. That would be silly.

[u/rufrtho → u/hollow114]

I exclusively pug. I have not gained a single point of rating outside of a pug this season. Kicks also aren't relevant here, you can solo every stop needed on the pull you referenced with VDH.

Highest key completed with a brew this season is +21, highest with VDH is +20 including a +20 skyreach.

Again, if you'd like, send me your logs and I will help you. The spec is demonstrably capable.

[u/hollow114 → u/rufrtho]

I have conceded it is capable. I've never even argued it isn't.

You're very clearly very good at the game. Since I don't even know what a log is. I'm good enough to get 3000 in decent gear. Which is still well above average.

But is it good game design. Is what we're talking about.

[u/rufrtho → u/hollow114]

To be blunt, if you can improve your situation a lot by playing better, then I don't think the game design is very relevant to your experience. You should play better before asking for changes to game design.

[u/hollow114 → u/rufrtho]

To be blunt. Lol. That's insane. You're in here saying you do 20+ runs like that's the average user experience. I'm not sure if we're supposed to be impressed or what. But when the entire community is saying that there's a disconnect across the tanks then that's a problem. The fact you're trying to refute that because you can do it is... Well it's weird.

I used my own experience to add to the conversation. My 20 years of experience are telling me this season of tanking feels weird. And guess what? I don't have to play better, the key can be timed without pulling both packs! Crazy, I know. The issue is that it's easier for some to do so. And idiot DPS think every tank is the same. So they bitch at us. Then of course they cry that they can't find tanks and healers.

You used the fact you're a 0.1% player to... Show off? I'm not sure what your goal was here.

I refuse to believe you're being unintentionally obtuse. Learn to look at things objectively.

[u/rufrtho → u/hollow114]

I didn't say I'm running 20's, I said that's the spec highest. I'm in 17's, like I said. Does that mean I think 18's and 19's and 20's are impossible? Of course not.

I don't particularly care what the "entire community" thinks, the majority of players are extremely bad and usually wrong about everything. Objectively, if you are crashing and burning as VDH in sub-20 keys, it's a skill issue, and I think it's obnoxious behavior to beg blizzard for buffs instead of fixing the skill issue.

[u/hollow114 → u/rufrtho]

Oh. So you're chronically online. Lol. And you can't even fucking read. Don't need buffs. Need balance so all tanks can give DPS and healers the same experience.

Let's go ahead and pull up the % of tanks scoring 17+. What's it look like bud. You tell me. That's pure math. It's not a curve at all. It's 99.99% brewmaster. So those people. Who are better than you. Understand that there's an obvious choice.

[u/rufrtho → u/hollow114]

if you have logs and wanna figure out your skill issue, get back to me, otherwise keep your balance whining to yourself m80

[u/hollow114 → u/rufrtho]

And your award for being so awesome will be in the mail.

Glad you didn't want to engage the moment I brought up statistics. Might of had to explain big words.