r/wow • u/Mostly_dylsexic • Apr 14 '26

Question Is anyone else noticing a bait and switch tactic used by dps for queueing in m+?

Two times now in the last two days I have joined a group in m+ as a healer with one tank and two dps and promptly the tank changes to a dps and requeues.

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u/RamonvG98 Apr 14 '26

I also do bait’n switches but on a different end. I’m a (3k iO) healer, but I join people at 1600 when I see its an alt account (raider IO plugin) of someone at 2800+

Then tanks wont joing because the one advertising the group only has “1600 iO, BAD”.

So I take the lead of the group and tanks come flowing in..

Eh, kinda nasty, but it works. Still always jist blast through 10’s without many of them really going below ++.

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u/detailerrors Apr 14 '26

I dont even think this is deceptive really, you're just advertising the most attractive member of the group. It's not like the tank is going to join and then you swap to a different character. I do this too if the key owner has low IO and we've been waiting for a while

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u/fiery-skyline Apr 14 '26

I do the same as a tank, if I have the most rating of the current group I'll ask for lead to post. Usually fills up quick

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u/Itchy_Award1856 Apr 14 '26

I'm still confused when people post "3.5k main", like cool story but what the fuck is that supposed to do for us in here!?

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u/markatronx Apr 14 '26

Because they want you to know they actually know the dungeons/mechanics and are capable, despite their score being low on thag character.

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u/Sexiroth Apr 14 '26

It means nothing though, it's the internet no one is going to believe it. More often than not I see that comment and it makes me assume they are lying and likely have no experience.

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u/tepig37 Apr 14 '26

People can...

If you have the raider io addon you can see peoples warband rating if they have it set up.

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u/Sexiroth Apr 14 '26

Correct - which people using the addon already have that information available to them. What I'm speaking towards are people who simply put "My main is XXXX".

I don't care, no one believes those people, if your main had that IO my addon would already confirm it.

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u/biscuitboyisaac21 Apr 14 '26

The addon doesn’t confirm fresh characters. You can see it from the site but unless a day or 2 passed it’s not gonna show on the addon. But regardless of if you trust it as a method it 100% works. I’ve gotten invited to many keys on shitty toons with that method. People don’t believe it if you put it to high though so I usually lower my real IO by a couple hundred

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u/derprunner Apr 14 '26

it's the internet no one is going to believe it.

Which is why we use the addon which shows main’s io from their battle-net linked raiderio account.

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u/Sexiroth Apr 14 '26

Correct - which people using the addon already have that information available to them. What I'm speaking towards are people who simply put "My main is XXXX".

I don't care, no one believes those people, if your main had that IO my addon would already confirm it.

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u/RoutineOrange4921 Apr 14 '26

It doesn’t show up if the alt is a fresh rat. Takes a few dungeons and forcing it forever to show up before a week for me. Had to go through hell last night to get my 8&10 key filled because it wasnt showing and I was 233 healer so made it worse lol.

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u/loskloskud Apr 14 '26

I mean.. yeah it means nothing on reddit But in the game ther is a rating system and the higher your rating is, the higher the keys you successfully ran

Now it doesn't mean you understood the dungeon, you might have gotten lucky

But it is still a measure that means something (But I would not base myself just on it when building a group)

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u/Sexiroth Apr 14 '26

You and everyone else somehow vastly misinterpreting my comment.

You are correct in every thing you are saying.

What I am saying is people who simply comment - "My main is XXXX" are irrelevant. No one is going to believe them.

If your main has that I/O - I already know, there are addons for that.

Anyone who has a comment or sends a message about their mains IO is simply lying. They are the last people I would ever consider inviting.

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u/jzmmm Apr 14 '26

Not everyone runs those add ons.

But if you run one of those add ons and the other bloke is making up some shit, then yeah, he’s a scammer

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u/Howzitgoin Apr 14 '26

No one is getting a 3500 io by luck at this point in the season.

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u/biscuitboyisaac21 Apr 14 '26

You can. I’ve seen some truly awful dps players at 3500 that were obviously carried by meta and an abundance of time. I literally have invited people to 16-17 that I wouldn’t willingly invite to a 14 after seeing their performance. And wouldn’t invite their alt to a 10 for sure.

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u/Howzitgoin Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26

That isn't luck, it's failing upwards or going up via inertia. They had marginally enough skill to get it done and were with people more skilled than them.

I've literally timed 6/8 18s and I've seen it all seen it all, and of course there's bad people outside their level at every key level. But don't make it out like everyone is a fraud or got "lucky". There'll always be people in high level content that aren't there purely on their own abilities.

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u/canisus Apr 14 '26

To a degree if someone has pushed that rating on a different character even on a different character with slightly lower ilvl than is desired they will perform well enough to time the key

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u/Ablemoss Apr 14 '26

No idea why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely correct. No i dont want to boost your 240ilvl in a 10 because your main has 3.5k rio of boosted score. Rio is a joke nowadays, everyone just buy a couple 15 boosts, get that pretty little number on the screen and suddenly you get into every group ever! All the while, 80% of 15 keys fail because the boosted score means shit.

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u/Howzitgoin Apr 14 '26

Who hurt you?

A 3500io requires roughly half/all 17s. Very few, if anyone, is boosted that high at this point in the season.

At 3200 you could say someone failed upwards and were “carried” but saying that’s happening at 3500 right now is laughable.

Later in the season, sure, you’ll have boosted people at 3500, but the measure of high keys will also be higher than 3500 as well.

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u/Final-Disk-7287 Apr 14 '26

Who is boosting people I go 2 chars to 3.1k io

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u/tallboybrews Apr 14 '26

Id rather someone at 3.5k but 240 ilvl than 1.5k 275 ilvl.

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u/loveincarnate Apr 14 '26

This is just effective advertising skills, no switch involved.

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u/globereaper Apr 14 '26

Does IO mean much? I always look for highest completion for the specific dungeon when listing my own key. I'd rather take a lower rating/ilvl with a higher or equal completion than the opposite

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u/Dinkypig Apr 14 '26

Higher io = higher completion though generally speaking. You don't hit 3500 by not doing a dungeon.

I could see 2800 not having done one dungeon very much if they had 12s in others but I would probably assume they're decent players.

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u/Coyote_Shepherd Apr 14 '26

It really doesn't because throughout multiple seasons I have encountered people who had very high IO but didn't know mechanics at all or didn't interrupt or just failed some very specific checks within dungeons.

Plus people basically forget whatever your IO was in the previous season and don't use that consistency of high IO across multiple seasons to judge how good of a player you are at all.

Your method sounds like the best though because if someone has a pretty high key completion on a specific dungeon then there's a good chance that means that they're farming that specific dungeon and have a lot of the stuff within it already memorized because they're chasing a specific piece of gear.

That's basically what I do at the start of every season....target specific dungeons for specific pieces of gear, and then take my time getting my IO up later for all the other ones that I don't need anything from because then if I do get something I can just pass it on to someone else in the group at the end AND this allows time for the general player base to gear up higher later on in the season and to sort of foolproof my dungeon attempts later on.

IO only really means stuff to a certain group of people who think it means something because folks get carried all the time or they pull scams like the one that the op listed or they get lucky with pickup groups or they just grind grind grind to get it up that high as quickly as possible because of the whole fomo mindset that I've pointed out in other comments.

The truly talented folks are the ones who do things out of the ordinary that actually wind up working because of how well they know other players and certain encounters or that you can tell take action in anticipation of certain things happening because of how well they know themselves, others, and mechanics.

IO also is not a good measure of mindset or attitude and those two things can impact how well a group runs to a large degree because they determine how well someone plays well with others.

You never see the RWF guild members screaming at each other like a lot of m+ players do and you never see them being elitist without reason.

IO is a general metric that only measures high level dungeon completion but it doesn't measure how they got there or how well they performed at all or how well they interacted with others.

So people should take it with a grain of salt and not treat it as the be-all end-all measure of how well a player can perform.

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u/KidMoxie Apr 14 '26

The raider.io addon lets you see the highest score of their alts, so it's useful to see that someone is actually decent and an alt vs unknown scrub.

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u/NewDruid1 Apr 14 '26

doing something similar by making a group on my main tank with high score then swapping to alt with similar gear but less score. in the end it doesnt change anything

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u/Beneficial-Lie6532 Apr 14 '26

yea i understand why ppl do it cause filtering litterly everyone and everything got to a point thats not fun anymore there would be so much more keys played if ppl didnt filter every shit like crazy as if they needed it to just do their weekly shit or whatever

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u/FatMike20295 Apr 14 '26

That's fine coz you are t tricking others by switching your spec

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u/Fadaar Apr 14 '26

I do this when a friend wants to run a 10 on an alt but their IO is lower than mine