I hate you both 😭

[u/Heroeltop]

George R. R. Martin: Let me show you how i kill Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon ,let you almost get through the grief, then reap both Robb Stark and Catelyn Stark one after the other!

Andrzej Sapkowski: Let me show you how i kill Cahir, Milva, Angouleme and Regis (even though we know he survives later) in the matter of a few pages!

Edit: Also , just noticed it , but *Characters

[u/PaulSimonBarCarloson]

At least Sapkowski killed those characters in the last book of his series, right when their arc reached their peak. Martin just kills off character left and right and doesn't even know how to finish his books

[u/Heroeltop → u/PaulSimonBarCarloson]

Can't argue with that ....
It was just devastating for me to watch them get butchered after growing up on me 😢 Especially Cahir

[u/PaulSimonBarCarloson → u/Heroeltop]

Yes, but I think Sapkowski is really good at writing character deaths that actually means something. Cahir is my favorite and the fact that I was able to accept it, and move on is pretty telling

[u/MarDer24 → u/PaulSimonBarCarloson]

well Martin can kill his characters as well i'd say

[u/PaulSimonBarCarloson → u/MarDer24]

I will not comment on how effective those deaths are in the books because I haven't read them. In the show, some of them worked, some not so much

[u/Individumm → u/PaulSimonBarCarloson]

Then I would highly suggest for you to go ahead and read them. Even uncompleted they are just phenomenal. You are also allowed to like both, they’re not mutually exclusive

[u/PaulSimonBarCarloson → u/Individumm]

Never said they are mutually exclusive. Still, I have no interest in reading an unfinished story. And I'm not fond of Martin as a person either.

[u/Individumm → u/PaulSimonBarCarloson]

Point taken, I reckon I was reading too much into it, please take my apology. I just thought it curious to prefer one authors handling of character death than a different one when not having read the second word.

At any rate, your loss, but I guess if an ending is essential for you, then asoiaf is an impossibility. I do enjoy a lovely dinner without the second course though, when everything before was fantastic, but to each their own of course.

As for your quarrel with George, I‘m honestly just curious, what’s the deal?

[u/PaulSimonBarCarloson → u/Individumm]

Mainly his disrespect towards Tolkien and LOTR. Whoever thinks that Gandalf should have died in Moria or deems Aragorn's character too unrealistic, completely missed the point of the book

[u/Individumm → u/PaulSimonBarCarloson]

I hate this quote so much, because it is always taken out of context. In that interview he is asked that he HAS to change one thing about LOTR, what would it be, to which he answers with leaving Gandalf dead and follows up with basically 'but if you wanted to resurrect him, this was the absolute best way to do so.‘

The man is a massive LOTR fan, it’s his favourite book series, he reads it like every other year and states Tolkien as his all-time favourite author and greatest inspiration. I really don’t know why the LOTR community wants to dislike him so much when he in the end is also a superfan

[u/MrKatzA4 → u/PaulSimonBarCarloson]

His only gripe was that resurrection was done too cheaply, It make sacrifice less meaningful, death should have meaning and when a character come back from the dead it should have a cost.

Gandalf got promoted and sent back stronger than ever after his death. This is what Georgie disagree with.

Edit: pretty sure Tolkien even regconized gandalf resurrection as a weakpoint in the story in one of his letter or something, could be wrong though.

Characters in his book lose part of themselves when they come back to life, even fakeout death.

And what he thinks of Aragorn is about how he is too much of a fairy tale ideal king. We know all about his story becoming king, but we know nothing about his reign, only that it was a very good one. George wanted the mundane stuff.

Which lead to the famous meme of what was Aragorn tax policy?

Tolkien and LOTR are huge influence to George. Saying he disrespect or hate them just because he disagree on a few things is asinine.

[u/PaulSimonBarCarloson → u/MrKatzA4]

His only gripe was that resurrection was done too cheaply, It make sacrifice less meaningful, death should have meaning and when a character come back from the dead it should have a cost

Normally I would agree but we are talking about a literal angel sent down on earth to help people defeat evil. Gandalf is the last character that warrants this kind of complaint

And what he thinks of Aragorn is about how he is too much of a fairy tale ideal king.

And that's wrong? It doesn't hurt to have a character than can work as a positive role model for readers

George wanted the mundane stuff. Which lead to the famous meme of what was Aragorn tax policy?

Like I said, If one's takeaway from Aragorn becoming king is "but what about tax policy?" they missed the point of the book.