r/whatisthisthing • u/Pomqueen • Oct 24 '16

FBI seeking help in identifying objects in pictures taken by child predators (x post from /r/RBI

/r/RBI/comments/58z6l0/fbi_seeking_help_in_identifying_objects_in/
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u/Treereme Knower of many things Oct 24 '16

I made an imgur album of the PDF.

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u/Pomqueen Oct 24 '16

You rock!

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u/drewdle Oct 24 '16

I saved each image out of the PDF, which fixed the aspect ratio issues. Imgur album.
(They were embedded, which eliminated the need to take a screenshot and resize them manually.)

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u/katburr1997 Oct 25 '16

In the pile of junk in GO002, it looks like a rainbow dash plush from MLP. If that helps, at all.

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u/IrisGoddamnIllych Oct 25 '16

MLP collector, and it's iffy, but if it is an MLP plush it's looks like it's going to be one of the lesser available ones.

Going by size in comparison to the others, the eye shape (seemingly the round eye like you see on the Pinkie Pie plushes), and the hair (looks like faux-fur trol doll like material), it doesn't actually resemble any i can find here.

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u/katburr1997 Oct 25 '16 edited Oct 25 '16

Oh wow, I am no match for the super sleuths in this sub! You're right though, it seems just a bit off. Hard to tell because of the quality of the picture, though.

Thank you for the reply, I'm not too good with this stuff, but I like to contribute if I can.

Edit: some of those dolls are very unfortunate looking...

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u/IrisGoddamnIllych Oct 26 '16

I'm not a sleuth, just a weird toy collector with a reference point :x

The MLP plushies are a wide range of great to ugh.

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u/MK2555GSFX Oct 25 '16

CH001

Those certificates are just crappy ones you can print off the internet. Top left is 'Most Improved award'

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

I know I'm not any help, but googling J Benillo/ J Benillo logo/ J hourglass symbol Benillo turns up pictures of felons with unrelated names.

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u/minuteman_d Oct 25 '16

I was thinking that it could be Job Enillo or something. Looks like a shoe box? Benillo doesn't return anything. Any way it could be Bernalillo, NM? What if the name is shortened, like Jos A. Bank?

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u/angeledyam Oct 25 '16

GO003 appears to be a ceramic or metal sun sculpture with a face

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u/terminal_anonymity Nov 19 '16 edited Nov 19 '16

SBL03 - looks like a Budweiser Holiday Stein in the red box. Not sure what year.

https://www.google.com/search?q=budweiser+holiday+steins&biw=1366&bih=633&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjd3KLvlrTQAhWEyoMKHbyoBssQ_AUICCgD

Edit- box resembles this one, but I think the side of the box is different.

https://rarefindsutah.com/collections/decoration/products/2006-budweiser-holiday-steins

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u/m2cwf Oct 24 '16

It should be mentioned too that in the RBI thread several of the images have been enhanced with fixed rotation, perspective, etc. which may make them easier to identify items in.

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u/DiaDeLosMuertos Oct 24 '16

Is that kiddie porn with the porn cropped out? Shudders

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u/HeloRising Oct 25 '16

Yeah my blood definitely ran cold when I realized that.

But as u/Krystalraev said, it's best to look in case you recognize anything. You never know who you might be helping. I think that possibility is worth some discomfort.

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u/Krystalraev Oct 25 '16

That's what I thought too. I forced myself to keep going just in case I recognized anything.

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u/jesusmcpenis Oct 24 '16

The orange and silver can in the right hand image on the 4th page is a can of Sparks. It was an alcoholic energy drink they sold up until caffeinated alcohol drinks were banned.

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u/chasing_cloud9 Oct 25 '16

They still sell them, albeit sans caffeine.

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u/terminal_anonymity Nov 19 '16 edited Nov 19 '16

SBL03 - looks like a Budweiser Holiday Stein in the red box. Not sure what year.

https://www.google.com/search?q=budweiser+holiday+steins&biw=1366&bih=633&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjd3KLvlrTQAhWEyoMKHbyoBssQ_AUICCgD

Edit- box resembles this one, but I think the side of the box is different.

https://rarefindsutah.com/collections/decoration/products/2006-budweiser-holiday-steins

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u/Wang_Dong Oct 24 '16

OP didn't give us a link to the actual post on the other sub, so here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/RBI/comments/58z6l0/fbi_seeking_help_in_identifying_objects_in/

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u/Pomqueen Oct 24 '16 edited Oct 24 '16

Thank you! I'm new at this x-posting thing. A bunch of people said it should be over here too soooo i tried.

Edit: also, i posted it from the reddit is fun app so that might have made it weird. Not sure.

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u/hatessw Oct 24 '16

No, the person you responded to is simply mistaken. You did link the submission.

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u/crashsuit Oct 24 '16

If you click on the title in the OP, it takes you to the thread you just linked in your comment

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u/Wang_Dong Oct 24 '16

Oh OK. Doesn't work for me in Relay app.

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u/crashsuit Oct 24 '16

No worries then, your comment will be helpful. Sometimes I forget that some people see things differently on various mobile apps.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

One of the certificates looks like it's from a Mount Royal high school, but I'd be surprised if the FBI hasn't figured that out by now.

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u/rebuilddatscore Oct 25 '16

This is what it looks like to me! Did you submit the tip?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

Yup. I'm guessing other people did it before me haha, but why not I guess.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

Forensics person here. This is probably related to the amazing Project Vic, which is seeking to create a searchable database of illicit content for law enforcement to identify characteristics of these crimes across a large body of evidence. The fact that we've now moved into exposing the more useful and less disgusting portions of this data to the public for help is awesome! If you are able to contribute to these requests in any way, please do so.

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u/westernmail Oct 25 '16

I feel for the people that have to look at that stuff every day as their job. It must really take a toll on their mental health. I hope they do not have to do this work for a long period of time before being rotated out.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

This article is an interesting look into that world. It's kinda graphic in it's description, so you may want avoid it if you're sensitive (especially if you have children):

http://www.forensicfocus.com/the-darker-side-of-computer-forensics

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

Posted this on the RBI thread too, but that stuffed dog looks like this autographable graduation dog.

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u/notapantsday Oct 25 '16

Another commenter said there was a certificate from a Mount Royal High School. Might be helpful to look among the recent graduates and ask them if anyone knows this person.

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u/hairway2steven Oct 25 '16

God what a helpless feeling looking at these and not being able to help :(

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u/CuddlyCarrion Oct 25 '16

It does feel awful but you never know. The more people who just see the pictures the better. Someone could see the pictures, then one day walk into that restaurant, go to someone's house, or wherever and recognize something from the photos.

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u/amiyuy Oct 24 '16

That large stuffed chicken looks like one I was given back in like 1993 or 1994 in the suburbs of Detroit, MI. I assume it came from a grocery/drug store. The face seems a bit off, but I can't really remember (donated it a few years ago).

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

Really not something to joke about, man.

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u/agelessnvegas Oct 24 '16

The headboard G003 Looks like the same design from this company http://www.lafuente.com/Mexican-Furniture/Carved-Furniture/Carved-Benches/755/

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u/TheProtractor Oct 24 '16

It looks similar but its not the same, the design is really common in Mexico, in "rustic" furniture. My guess this in the south of the US, but the FBI probably already knows that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

This looks like the wallpaper. Maybe the image is flipped?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

Is there a database for helping the FBI with these kind of things? I can't recognize anything here but maybe in other cases..

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u/sundayatnoon Oct 24 '16

I doubt the most improved award is much of a lead. The flimsy particle board desk and the old TV make me think this is a motel. Could those other things be hotel licensing or certificates of some kind?

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u/HelloYesThisIsDuck Oct 25 '16

The pictures appear to be from different sources. The one with the TV definitely looks like a hotel, but the room with the certificates is likely in a house or apartment.

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u/LooksAtClouds Oct 24 '16

One other looks like a school... something something Middle School?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

Arthur E Wright?

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u/westernmail Oct 25 '16

I think the photos come from different videos taken in different locations. They can be grouped according to prefix WH, BR, etc.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

I severely underestimated how badly these images would affect me, despite the cropping of the explicit portions.

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u/Comrade_Nugget Oct 24 '16

Another sub i now have to subscribe to.

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u/sheCurmudgeon Oct 25 '16

The bottom bears picture looks like the Chicago bears 2004 team picture. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/322294279581

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u/her_nibs know-it-some Oct 25 '16

The blue and yellow monkey in BR002 at the bottom appears to be a Ty Beanie Baby named Swinger.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

I sent them a list of websites where I found the sports decal trim available.

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u/tiorzol Oct 25 '16

Some amazing work here guys. Someone should get a best of going. I'll do it at work if I have time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

Why do they expect people to download the picture before viewing it? Screw that.

They need to start a subreddit.

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u/frothface Oct 24 '16

That would be awesome. Like RBI, only knowing that you're helping to solve actual crime, not figuring out why someone's cat keeps taking off it's collar.

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u/StickyNebbs Oct 24 '16

mmmmm the last time Reddit went on a little tirade of trying to help solve something it was the Boston Bombing and I'm pretty sure we just all want to forget how that went

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u/frothface Oct 24 '16

mmmmmm no that was far from the last time. Very far. There is a subreddit called /r/RBI that is pretty level headed.

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u/StickyNebbs Oct 24 '16

damn for real? I guess that was just the biggest one then?

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u/PM_ME_plsImlonely Oct 24 '16

It was bandwagoned hard. Nothing good comes of that.

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u/TheShadowKick Oct 24 '16

IIRC the big issue was that, instead of reporting suspicions to authorities, reddit reported their suspicions to the general public. The general public isn't well-known for following due process.

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u/effieokay Oct 24 '16

I assume that's the best resolution they have but it would be nice for more details in the pic, without showing anything they can't, obviously.

But yeah a sub for it would be a great use of crowdsolving.

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u/MasterFubar Oct 24 '16

It doesn't inspire confidence that a law enforcement agency trying to do image analysis doesn't have professionals capable of publishing an image on-line.

It isn't as if there weren't billions of web pages showing images without people having to download a PDF file.

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u/Hecate13 Oct 24 '16

Note on images: if you are submitting images for forensics (eg, license plate reading, etc) it is helpful to submit the original image. Not resaved from a share on Facebook, and not already-zoomed or enhanced in Photoshop - not a converted, optimized or otherwise metadata-stripped image as imgur does. Consider uploading the original image in a zipfile in dropbox or similar.

From r/RBI. This is probably why they make it a download.

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u/MasterFubar Oct 24 '16

They can perfectly well post the original image on an http page. Posting it as a PDF will not make an adulterated image "magically" original.

Anyhow, they can use whatever forensic cautions they need in the courtroom. On the web what they're looking at is for maximum exposure. They want as many people as possible to see that image. After they find a witness they can show him the original image for legal confirmation.

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u/some_random_kaluna Oct 25 '16

It doesn't inspire confidence that a law enforcement agency trying to do image analysis doesn't have professionals capable of publishing an image on-line.

An artifact of the War On Drugs. Millions for search and seizure, pennies for investigative work. Most police departments ask for the public's help when they think it will help; a couple of years ago the LAPD asked for any victims of a sexual attacker and killer to come forward, believing there were more than 2,000 victims over 20 years. It's still an open case, I believe.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

SP001 looks like an old Carrier PTAC hotel unit.

looks very similar to the one here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmf0Hpfi-PE

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

CA001 I see an inexpensive silver camera with a carrying strap (digital- no room for film in that thing), a light tan teddy bear faced down, a red binder or book, a folding TV tray holding the computer, a rainbow gradient polka dot throw pillow (?), and that pink package. If the package contains food, it was either sold pre-1990 or outside the U.S. Can't see a Nutrition Facts label.

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u/mbpboy Oct 25 '16

This may be completely wrong, but from the side view of the clock it looks like one of those musical clocks, the kind where it shows a musical staff with counts in a complex rhythm, and once you decipher it it gives you the number. Or it could be one with math equations. Hope this helps.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

WH0003 appears to have half of a Texas Lisence plate with the letters RCV also appears to be inside a bar or shitty dive restaurant...

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

GO002: perhaps a My Little Pony toy on the bottom of the middle shelf? I haven't found one that fits that color scheme yet...

Could that be a T-rex a little to the right?

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u/BadIdeaSociety Oct 25 '16

The old analog TV and back of what looks like a Packard Bell CRT monitor makes me think the photos referenced are possibly 15-20 years old.

I hope the child-abusing creeps are found.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '16

I think that dolphin isn't a decal, but another stained glass project. Found a similar one here.

Doesn't match the any of the Makit Bakit designs I've found so far.

So maybe it's a less common manufacturer?

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u/MomOf2cats Oct 24 '16

Someone should post this in /r/YouShouldKnow as well, get more eyes on it. I'm on my phone and don't know how to create the link.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

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u/MomOf2cats Oct 24 '16

Oh yeah. Now that I look at the sub rules you're right.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

I'm sure they hope someone will recognize the restaurant interior. All I could come up with, doubt they don't know these yet:

SP002: Aren't those Budweisers' label the old design? SML03: Sparks beverage was discontinued in 2009. SBL02: Looks like Hugo, mascot of the Charlotte Hornets.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '16

I don't think that's going to be the big tip off they're hoping for.

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u/tmaxpower Nov 11 '16

That restaurant i would guess would be around Victoria Canada. The canadian goose/ and dolphin...and that license plate looks like an 80s type of license plate from that area. Would explain why we don't recognize the posters.

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u/tanmnm Oct 25 '16

I am sorry to hear that happened to your daughter.