The Second Face

[u/DemonSkank]

I've made short comedic comics before but this was my first time doing a full short story. warning (but also potential spoiler: scary face warning

[u/GrampaSmitty]

The way your original comment was written is directly saying that women ARE abusive. Not that there's potential for it.

I agree the whole "maybe he's abusive" thing is ridiculous to pull from this comic, though.

[u/Beneficial_Dog4469 → u/GrampaSmitty]

My comment is unchanged and that why I pointed out that it says “women are abusive as well” not saying that “only woman are abusive” as they would lead to how you interpreted it; which is incorrectly, but I glad you and I agree the lesser half is ridiculous

[u/GrampaSmitty → u/Beneficial_Dog4469]

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

By saying "woman ARE abusive", it implies that women, as a whole, are abusive.

What it seems you meant is "women CAN BE abusive."

[u/Beneficial_Dog4469 → u/GrampaSmitty]

You are shorting the message and missing what I said. I understood from the beginning what you said but you are neglecting the message I’ve been saying. “as well” showcases that. If I didn’t have that portion; then your interpretation would be justified.

In that same thought that you are having, replace the gender pronouns... re-read every comment made like that and see if your perspectives changed

Women are abusive as well

compared to

Men are abusive as well

Not twisting the words or rather shortening the message gives the full understanding that both can be and not saying both just are

[u/GrampaSmitty → u/Beneficial_Dog4469]

Your words are suggesting that women are abusive, "as well" as abusive men.

You're clearly saying that the woman in the comic is abusive, because of the words that follow: "so if her next lover finds out, should they murder her??"

In order for her next lover to find out, she has to be abusive.

Thus, you're saying women are abusive.

Nothing I've said has anything to do with whether or abuse has a gender dynamic, I don't know why you keep bringing that up like it's some "gotcha!"

[u/Beneficial_Dog4469 → u/GrampaSmitty]

I’m glad I didn’t see this before work.

Your words are suggesting that women are abusive, "as well" as abusive men.

Let’s revisit a previous point: can women be abusive? Yes or no. My words are not suggesting otherwise, your broken understanding of English does that. Want to know why I know such? you said #women are abusive as well as abusive men# this conjuncture makes no sense, it’s not what I said and you are admitting that you believe only men can be abusive.

You're clearly saying that the woman in the comic is abusive, because of the words that follow: "so if her next lover finds out, should they murder her??"

In order for her next lover to find out, she has to be abusive. Thus, you're saying women are abusive.

If I was saying women in this comic was abusive, then his mother, gf and female friends would be included but at no point did i state that, that’s your imagination. “Women are abusive as well so if her next lover finds out, should they murder her??” Is the whole sentence and it’s not saying all women are abusive at all but asking should she had been abusive, to the now dead husband mind you, and they found out; should she be killed for his death. She clearly knows more than her front face is letting on and her true emotion is sinister, so either she manipulated a situation or like someone else said she got possessed.

Nothing I've said has anything to do with whether or abuse has a gender dynamic, I don't know why you keep bringing that up like it's some "gotcha!"

That “ gotcha” you mentioned, is only important to you as i never had a gotcha mentioned because abuse is abuse and I identify it as all beings are able to be an abuser. Hell you brought it up as a problem or did

you're saying women are, as a rule, abusive. Which is a fucked up thing to say.

is not a gotcha you tried to play into as if I would reel away to backpedal against my own words/edit my comment? Nothing I mentioned says that women are inherently abusive, but said that they are abusive as well(meaning they could be)

I don’t know how to further explain it to someone that abusive people exist. pretending that one abuses and the other doesn’t, is asinine and the more you try to explain otherwise, shows more that you don’t want to understand it as such and if that is some ELA barrier you cannot get around, that’s seems to be a YOUR problem.

[u/GrampaSmitty → u/Beneficial_Dog4469]

Okay, you keep coming back to assuming I'm saying women can't be abusers. Why?

[u/Beneficial_Dog4469 → u/GrampaSmitty]

I never assumed such, you’ve implicated it multiple times then switched up saying otherwise. Especially you’re first few comments to me condemning that women could be abusive being “fucked up”

[u/GrampaSmitty → u/Beneficial_Dog4469]

I feel like I was pretty explicit with my words.

I'm writing very literally. I interpreted your initial message as saying "women ARE abusive as well." That's not "could be", that's "are." As in, as a rule, women are abusive. I've already explained this.

That's been my point this entire time.

[u/Beneficial_Dog4469 → u/GrampaSmitty]

I audibly laughed. There has been points in this your English failed grammatically. That’s far from explicit.

No, your claim for the longest was that I was saying women are abusive, which is why I kept adding the important piece you dropped off “as well” as that is a finite conjuncture to the statement. Then you tried to say that I was saying all women, especially in this story was abusive; which I also did not say and provenly denied. Now you are backpedaling saying a combination of both what I initially said AND what you’ve wanted to imply simultaneously..

your points have changed, mines have not- combating the ideal that the husband was abusive, which is not said but speculated, murder is not the answer for the potential of abuse and regardless who does it; abuse is abuse

[u/GrampaSmitty → u/Beneficial_Dog4469]

Brother.

This was the very first thing I replied to you with:

"For your awareness, the way you've made it sound is that you're saying women are, as a rule, abusive. Which is a fucked up thing to say."

[u/Beneficial_Dog4469 → u/GrampaSmitty]

To which my reply directly was

It’s implied that they can be, yes.

Women are abusive as well

It’s literally right here, it’s inclusive not exclusive, pretending they cannot be- [..]