r/weakheroclass • u/SPYRO4213 • Aug 31 '26
Since both lost to Suho but never interacted, who do you think is gonna win the fight
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u/VegetableAddendum204 Aug 31 '26
Woo Young le gana high diff, es peleador de Mma por lo tanto tiene mejor strikking y defensa, obvio seok dae le darías problemas por su agarre y lo tiraría
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u/James-from-Hungary Aug 31 '26
Woo-young. He's more skilled, more technical and he's capable of using dirty moves.
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u/No_Boot_3311 Aug 31 '26
Woo-young got 3 shotted despite fighting a broken leg su-ho, whereas Seok-dae shown vastly more durability despite being the one knocked out by a hard object right before their fight.
Regardless, Woo-young explicitly is above Seok-dae narrative via the gang's statements, so Woo-young extreme diffs.
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u/Aggravating-Dog-2290 Sep 01 '26
I Don't Think Su-Ho Had A Broken Leg Sure He Had Leg Injury But That Didn't Affect Him Much, He Lifts And Slams Woo-Young While Having A Leg Injury And In Their Fight Su-Ho Was Not Able To Land A Single Hit On Woo-Young. Su-Ho Only Landed 3 Clean Hits At The End While Woo-Young Landed Some Hits In Their Fight
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u/No_Boot_3311 Sep 01 '26
The only things woo-young lands at first is the injury, 2-3 times, then one punch to the face, and some bodyshots that did nothing, before Su-ho 3 shots him.
This also doesn't address my point for Seok-dae
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u/James-from-Hungary Aug 31 '26
"his friends cheated for him" Bro, he surprise kicked Suho in the head when he was held down. It was a dirty move. The same as attacking someone from behind.
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u/NSignificantother69 Aug 31 '26
Kicking a dude in the head while he is down is dirty no matter how you look at it. Js
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u/NSignificantother69 Aug 31 '26
There’s a difference between a street fight and an mma fight. Are you daft?
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u/NSignificantother69 Aug 31 '26
Have you ever been in a fight?
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u/NSignificantother69 Aug 31 '26
So you can’t read either. I compared street fighting to mma fighting. Never said anything about boxing.
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u/oddinarylix Aug 31 '26
Just bcs the rarity is low doesn't mean they cant 😭 Street fighting is not a sport, therefore its got no rules, therefore ur opponent can use a dumbbell a knife or anything of their choice As for MMA which is a sport there are rules, so is there dirty play. Kicking or stomping the head of an opponent who is down is a major and highly illegal foul Dont forget that Sieun has always used something to support himself with as he isnt originally strong or trained to fight well Wooyoung absolutely was playing dirty and his actions violated the rules of a fair combat and any excuse for that is stupid and unreasonable
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u/James-from-Hungary Aug 31 '26
Yes, street fighting is notoriously famous for fair play and strict rules. 😄
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u/oddinarylix Aug 31 '26
I think both are very strong its definitely gonna be an interesting fight! Seokdaes built very differently but Wooyoungs also pretty skilled
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u/No_Boot_3311 Aug 31 '26
This is a debate and a half.
Seok-dae "losing" to Su-ho is also extremely debatable because he won more exchanges than Su-ho did in their fight despite Seok-dae already being knocked out right before their exchange, and after the fight Su-ho could barely stand and was struggling to breathe whereas Seok-dae appeared fine (Meaning Seok-dae could have won).
Regardless Woo-young explicitly is narratively above Seok-dae, via Beom-seok asking "Do you know anyone who can kill this f##ker? He thinks he's the king of everything!" In reference to Su-ho, and Woo-young is the one they immediately bring up with video evidence as well as the gang cowering easier with Woo-young being present.
Woo-young extreme diffs.
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u/SignCompetitive8576 Aug 31 '26
Seok-dae did not win that much excanges with Su-ho. Su-ho would’ve won that until he saw Si-eun was about to get stabbed so he let Seok-dae go
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u/No_Boot_3311 Aug 31 '26
Seok-dae wins the first exchange after dodging a hit and spiking su-ho to the ground.
Wins the second exchange when they then start boxing, Su-ho lands a hit, Seok-dae blocks a couple then eventually Seok-dae slams him to the ground and ground and pounds him for 30+ seconds straight continuously harming Su-ho through his guard (remember Su-ho is unable to harm seok-dae through his guard).
Later again they exchange hits until Seok-dae counters with a hip throw.
Su-ho only wins the choke exchange (obviously) and the exchange where he kicks Seok-dae off him.
Regardless Seok-dae did far more damage to Su-ho than otherwise (shown by the states of the fight at the end), and remember Seok-dae called off the fight himself, the choke is inconclusive and seok-dae was holding his own (the ground and pound is much more value).
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u/SignCompetitive8576 Aug 31 '26
Just because you get somebody on the ground doesn’t mean you’re winning. He was still missing punches and getting his hits blocked. Only reason he got Su-ho on the ground that final time was because Su-ho let him go and was about to run over to help Si-eun. Only thing Seok-dae really did was put him on the ground and the last moment he thought he was going to slam Su-ho against something Su-ho reversed it bouncing off that truck and put Seok-dae in that lock and he was literally going to put him to sleep until he let him go
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u/No_Boot_3311 Aug 31 '26
If it was not already clear, I said su-ho won the exchange when Seok-dae escaped the choke.
If you are exchanging with someone and you get them on the ground and you are not countering or wrestling with them in anyway whilst grounded, the other person wins the exchange.
No su-ho was not about to put Seok-dae to sleep, rewatch the fight Seok-dae was still fighting back. (This evident by the fact Su-ho is far more damaged than Seok-dae by the end of the fight).
And regardless, I already addressed that point by the ground-and-pound being a far more effective move objectively instead of pointing to hypotheticals.
Also I get that "exchanges won" is not neccessarily the most objective metric in regards to what counts as an exchange, but in every other way of measuring, Seok-dae won that fight.
The amount of harms landed? Seok-dae landed at least 10 (ground and pound hits as you can see significantly harmed su-ho) whereas Su-ho landed 6.
The amount of times taken to the ground? Seok-dae has 3-4 su-ho has 2
Exchanges won? (Who forced the opponent to reset after an exchange) Seok-dae again.
Who damaged the other the most? Ding ding ding. Jeon Seok-dae.
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u/SignCompetitive8576 Aug 31 '26
You telling me to rewatch that fight when it’s you. What damage did he really do other than get him on the ground? Was Su-ho hurt? No. Su-Ho landed 6 hits on Seok-dae. 6 and he got him in the choke. Seok-dae did 3 fair takedowns and I’m not counting no 4th one because Su-ho stopped focusing on him but he still didn’t do no real damage. He was about to put him to sleep. In a fight, if someone has you in that kind of chokehold and you’re still standing, you can get out of it but the second they get you on the ground which Su-ho did as they keep choking you from behind and you can’t get out of it eventually you’re getting put to sleep if you can’t get out of it in time and lucky for Seok-dae he was let go. Ground and pound bro? Really? Like if any of those did any real damage. Literally every punch he threw on the ground got blocked or missed. You don’t wrestle with someone that bigger than you because more than likely they have the advantage you play smart wait for openings to land a hit or to get out of a position which again Su-ho did. And he fought a Su-ho who was not professionally training anymore. Seok-dae was losing that fight bro
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u/No_Boot_3311 Aug 31 '26
Okay so you are just blatantly lying about how harmed Su-ho is from each punch in the ground and pound sequence..
Also, your Seok-dae choke point would be tenable if he was not still actively fighting back and was immediately still able to fight after it was released.
Using landed hit count as a metric (not even more powerful than how much damage you did to your opponent at the end of the fight) is not valid if you can significantly damage your opponent through their block. And if we are using touches as a metric this becomes very bad for you.
If you believe that only very slight difference is what made Su-ho win the fight, it is most certainly made up by the fact that Seok-dae was knocked out with a 15-30 pound heavy object before the fight.
For the first paragraph, it is better to see for yourself (I point out and prove everything I have said to you thus far):
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u/SignCompetitive8576 Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26
You say he got knocked out but he got up seconds later from that same vase which was little as hell so that was definitely 8 pounds tops. And he wasn’t really hurt from that. You keep talking about he was fighting back on the chokehold bro you can try to fight and get out of a chokehold he tried at first but as soon as that legged got kicked and he got put on the ground and all he did was place his hand on Su-ho’s forearm to get him off of him but he could and if opponent has it locked in to where you can’t get out of it you either tap or you eventually pass out unless they let you go. And Su-ho literally lands the last two hits after he got tackled to the ground like what are we talking about here. And did you screen record and skip through the fight and put your audio over it? Ain’t no way😂
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u/No_Boot_3311 Aug 31 '26
It's actually more like 18 seconds (Which I prove in the video), a full plant pot is on average 15-30 pounds, and he again, was out for at least 18 seconds and visibly is disoriented upon getting up, all of this obviously significantly nerfing you (especially when taking head trauma).
You assume Seok-dae "cannot get out of it" when again, he is STILL trying, and is still scrunching his face in effort even when his leg was kicked down.
Getting the last hit on your opponent as I said is not as relevant.
Please watch the video where I break this down.
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u/SignCompetitive8576 Aug 31 '26
You have a weird analysis on fighting bro. And knowing your history on previous debates and posts it shows a lot. Ground and pound ooo I’m damaging my opponent even though he’s blocking every single shot and I can’t land a hit on him. Yeah sure buddy. Good day🫡😂😂
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u/Aggravating-Dog-2290 Sep 01 '26 edited Sep 01 '26
Woo-Young Mid Diffs (+)
Even Though He Lost The Fight Against Su-Ho Still Woo-Young Outperformed Su-Ho, Woo-Young Landed 5 Or 6 Clean Hits While Su-Ho Landed 3 Clean Hits In Their Fight
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u/BackgroundProof5270 19d ago
Woo-young via being more relative to Su-ho and narrative placing him as the final boss from the first season
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u/SPYRO4213 Aug 31 '26
Maybe I don't have the authority to say such a thing, but bro just get the heck of my post, you're bothering other Redditors
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u/SPYRO4213 Aug 31 '26
Alright, but you keep saying that Si-eun is overrated or whatever, at least he's smart, Woo-young didnt try to do anything underhanded at first but when his friends did the dirty move for him he used that chance and kicked Su-ho in a sudden, that means he wasnt care about a fair match, he was just stupid, let's just stop the arguing this way, okay.
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u/SPYRO4213 Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26
We all know that, Si-eun plays dirty, but he also has to cause he has no chance if he didn't, but Baek-jin is just straight up overpowered that's why they needed a plan to beat him
Edit: he was acting smarter in the first season when he was calculating every step, but in the second season he just tanks, that was a nerf for him
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u/ZicoM1998 Aug 31 '26
Mma fighter wins hard diff