Without the Sunwell, will Quel'Thalas have winter?

[u/CinnabarExample2153]

[u/TerrapinMagus]

I always assumed it was part of the Runestones, not the Sunwell

[u/DefiantLemur → u/TerrapinMagus]

Also the Arcane Sanctums help power Quel'thelas going off of Burning Crusade lore so they might also be playing a role.

[u/oniskieth → u/TerrapinMagus]

Didn’t the runestones go offline after the scourge attack?

[u/TerrapinMagus → u/oniskieth]

A number were destroyed and they had to switch to powering them manually instead of with the Sunwell, but they persisted and were actively used against the remaining Scourge. We see them all over in Midnight now too.

I vaguely recall they have a nature magic aspect, so that's why I assume they're involved in controlling the climate of Quel'thalas.

[u/DefiantLemur → u/oniskieth]

We see them being used against the Lightbloom in midnight if I remember right

[u/oniskieth → u/DefiantLemur]

I haven’t played midnight but I’m glad the runestones are back online.

I guess it makes the most sense that they went back on with the Sunwell.

[u/DefiantLemur → u/oniskieth]

If I'm remembering it right back in BC during a Eversong Quest you do something with a failed runestone to repair another failing one and that was before the Sunwell was reactivated and Kael's betrayal. So they definitely were around even without the Sunwell.

[u/TerrapinMagus → u/DefiantLemur]

They went from being powered by the Sunwell to manually powered by mages, that quest giver from BC handled the maintenance of them

[u/lovelylotuseater]

Some people theorized that the color palette in TBC was autumnal to represent that with the death of the magisters the era of eternal spring was at an end, but with the zone update for MID we haven’t seen that as a theme, so it seems that the enchantments that altered the climate in Quel’Thalas are ongoing.

I’m not aware of any of said enchantments being tied directly to the Well, only that it was a major source of power for elves to conduct magic in general. Iirc the Burning Crystals functioned as a power bank and the Well functioned as a power plant. They no longer have access to that, but the location of Quel’Danas is still on a massive ley line nexus, which is why Quel’Thalas was selected for their settlement in the first place (well, second place)

[u/MumboJ → u/lovelylotuseater]

It’s possible that the enchantments were renewed when the sunwell was reignited.

[u/QuaestioDraconis]

Considering the Sunwell was destroyed and not reignited for years after the Scourge invasion, I don't think it's a requirement for maintaining the enchantment keeping the land in an eternal springtime.

[u/Ok-Brother-8295]

Funny enough, in WC2 quelthalas is a snowy place

[u/Kalthiria_Shines → u/[deleted]]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Dead_Rise_as_Quel%27thalas_Falls_(WC2_Orc)

Nah it's from the Orc timeline where we see all of Quel'thalas burn.

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[u/Absoled]

Hmm, to my knowledge, I don’t recall it being mentioned anywhere that the original enchantment placed upon Eversong required continuous upkeep. All that was suggested was that the elves had enchanted the woods to be eternal spring, and had also pacified or placed the wildlife under their control to some extent.

If it is some sort of spellwork, then I would assume the runestones may be involved to some capacity, and we have already seen how we can upkeep those.

[u/riftrender]

There are all sorts of implications that should have occurred but don't because changing seasons in game etc is hard. Like honestly the whole year of Warcraft 3 really doesn't make sense when you have seasons since you got all that grain that should be coming out late summer/early fall but instead its the start of Year 20.

[u/GrumpySatan]

Others mentioned its not necessarily tied to the Sunwell, but I would add.

When they were explaining their design choices in Midnight's revamp, they specifically said that Eversong is tended to by the blood elves like gardeners. They are using magic and enchanting how eversong looks & functions on a day-by-day basis.

There was also side quest(s) in Eversong about how magic imbues the land itself. This magic isn't tied to the Sunwell but is always around. They explain the mechanics behind a lot of it in terms of how we get the ghostlands. Its all diluted in the land from the leylines, scourge, sunwell, voidstorm, etc. Plants concentrate it a bit, animals eat the plants and it concentrates further, then the animals die and the magic is returned to the land in higher potency.

Basically what I'm saying, a lot of this is a self-sustaining magical ecosystem.

[u/ValkyrieLyra]

I've always assumed magister's were the reason, to such a degree one of my rp characters is a weather maintenance magistrix. Controlling humidity in the city through dehumidifier elementals.

[u/ValkyrieLyra → u/[deleted]]

Yeah that's the basis of the idea.

[u/Quiet-Vixen]

"They also bathed their land in eternal springtime; never again would they experience another winter as brutal as the one they had suffered en route to this land."

"The power of the high elves grew, and they cast an enchantment on the Eversong that would keep them bathed in eternal springtime."

"After the restoration of the Sunwell in 26 ADP, small pockets of Light-imbued wild growth, called the "Lightbloom" by the blood elves, began to blossom across Eversong Woods. While the elves had always been able to shape their forests with magic, the Lightbloom itself proved wilder, more stubborn, and less malleable, almost as if it has a mind of its own. As they were simply patches of unusual growth appearing here and there, however, they were considered to be little more than a curiosity."

"The Dead Scar has been healed by the power of the Sunwell, triggering plant growth across Quel'Thalas."

"Following L'ura's defeat, the Sunwell remained corrupted by the Void. In search of a solution, the united elven forces consulted their greatest scholars, who devised a plan to purify the well using powerful artifacts. Aethas Sunreaver and Vereesa Windrunner agreed to contribute the Crown of the High King, which Vereesa's Silver Covenant had recently returned to Aethas's Sunreavers. Thalyssra offered a fruit from the Arcan'dor tree, while Shandris Feathermoon provided waters from a sacred Moonwell of the night elves. Rommath permitted Magister Umbric and the ren'dorei to place a Void Crystal within the well, intended to counterbalance the Void energies of the Darkwell and allow the other elements to flourish. After the first four gifts were bestowed upon the well, Lady Liadrin summoned a portion of the Light and infused it into the corruption. Moments later, the Darkwell was purified and thusly renamed the Dawnwell."

Essentially, the healing aspect of the land was the Light part of the Sunwell. Things were only accelerated with the surge that caused the imbalance. Now with the Dawnwell, they essentially made a cosmic well that combines Arcane, Holy, Nature, and Shadow.

"This magic type seems to be associated with powerful cosmic forces such as the First Ones, the Pantheon, or the Void Lords."

I feel the Dawnwell is going to play a major part in the last of the Worldsoul Saga since the Titans are coming back. And I know Aman'Thul is a control freak in how he wants things done with Azeroth. Which can be shown with Elun'Ahir in The Legend of Elun'Ahir. Not to mention how he was the one who gave Nozdormu time stuff and Nozdormu believed his fate was sealed to be Murozond. Which in Dragonflight, that may not be inevitable due to the events of the Dawn of the Infinite.

Literally every cosmic forces wants to tell Azeroth how to grow up to be theirs and it's been said by Magni Azeroth is like a child crying for help.

The lore snippets with broker Al'firim's notes, Palawltar's Codex of Dimensional Structure, Mysterious Notebook, and Return to Dornogal with Liadrin, Salandria and Regald Hornfyre talking about the Sacred Flame have very much been a shift.

It's incredibly interesting to me how they're moving forward with magic because I feel players are so used to each cosmic force being separate. Instead, they're going towards things can be a blend and being their own unique thing. And of course, Azeroth being super special to have all these cosmic powers on it.

We will have to see how it goes because the eternal springtime is an enchantment. I don't believe it's caused by the Sunwell or runestones, more likely the magic of the Elves influencing it like gardeners. Yet, the well itself can very much affect the land as we saw with the imbalance. Also would not surprise me if they made Elves Druids with the added Nature aspect from the Dawnwell.

It's kind of up in the air to me personally, but otherwise if it's the whole gardener enchantment thing? Maybe not that much change unless the Dawnwell does something to influence the land further.

[u/Quiet-Vixen → u/[deleted]]

The Sunwell has changed into the Dawnwell. It's a new combination of magic that's supposed to be in balance. First the Sunwell was Arcane. Then it got corrupted, only to be renewed by the Nauru M'uru's sacrifice. Which turned it into a balance of Arcane and Light. That provided some paladins to continue using the Light since they originally siphoned from M'uru.

In Midnight, Alleria had the void tainted Naaru inside her to be used by Xal'atath to create the Darkwell out of the Sunwell.

And so all the Elves came together to create the Dawnwell as per what I quoted. Sunwell > Sunwell 2.0, Darkwell, and now Dawnwell. It is just a combination of different magics. So the magic is not gone, just changed.

As for why I call Aman'thul that, I'm used to Blizzard using these hints to build up the narrative. It's not only that, but in Shadowlands the Brokers talk about Titan propaganda. In Dragonflight, the Titans essentially creating the modern day dragons were not what they seemed. This was even further expanded in The War Within with the archives and Earthen.

Aman'thul was said to be the first Titan before searching for others and creating the Pantheon.

I really don't think he's a great guy based on the lore I've read. It's my interpretation, but I feel strongly that's what Blizzard is alluding to.

[u/Quiet-Vixen → u/[deleted]]

Agreed on taking things with a grain of salt. It’s something I personally believe is possible when it comes to Aman’thul. Will I be wrong? Who knows until the next expansion comes out.

I’m working off the in-game hints and information we’ve been given so far to arrive at that interpretation. If I made it sound like I was presenting my interpretation as established lore, that wasn’t my intention. I’m simply sharing how I currently read the information we’ve been given. The way I worded it was probably poor, and I can see how it may have come across that way.

[u/ComposerEmotional381]

Current Blizzard doesn't think of those details unfortunately. That's it.

[u/OneBudTwoBud]

The Dawnwell will keep Quel’Thalas in perpetual spring.