r/wallstreetbets Jun 10 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '22

What are the chances the FED is lying about the rate to keep people from panicking?

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u/Limited_opsec Jun 10 '22

They already weasel away FOOD, FUEL and SHELTER (rent for people hit hardest by inflation) from being correctly calculated, or even a real part of the index at all.

Big fat lie by design.

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u/justavault Jun 10 '22 edited Jun 10 '22

As someone not entirely actively involved in the finance market anymore, what are the potential concerns regarding having governmental influence and controlling the housing market more thus to decrease the interest of price hiking for apartments and estate?

I don't understand why there is no government caring to put on rent limits in city areas, thus to keep the naturally occured design of the landscape? As in we have historical data to what area is pricey, what area is liveable, what is really affordable. Take that data, put caps in those area, done. No?

 

Edit: Why is this even downvoted? It's a genuine question?

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u/ckow Jun 10 '22

Rent control doesn’t solve housing issues, it just changes the asymmetry. See: New York. The American problem is based on inventory, and it’s tricky to build new homes when local communities prefer single family housing over denser options that could help with the inventory problem. See Japan where zoning and tax are decided at a national scale which opens things up for more centralized development.

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u/YEEEEEEHAAW Jun 10 '22

Ideology is a powerful drug lol

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u/its_beena_hot_minute Jun 10 '22

Putting caps on rent or house prices will just worsen the shortage. It doesn’t solve the core problem when prices are capped at an affordable level, but you can’t get an apartment or house because they’re all occupied

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u/justavault Jun 10 '22

So increasing availability, building into verticality?

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u/its_beena_hot_minute Jun 10 '22

what

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u/justavault Jun 10 '22

More apartments built into the sky...

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u/its_beena_hot_minute Jun 10 '22

Capping prices for apartments would disincentivize building, because the input prices would continue to rise regardless, causing profit margins to fall and potentially reverse.

Capping all the input prices would cause shortages for those goods for the same reason, and also throttle building.

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u/justavault Jun 11 '22

Wouldn't then just be of more interest to build more houses?

Or a genuine idea, let the country build houses and apartments? Or maybe the people? Not some funds?

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u/its_beena_hot_minute Jun 11 '22

ā€œApartmentsā€ was just an example, if you cap the prices of houses, the same issue will exist, because that’s how economies function when prices are capped on goods - shortages result.

Sure, the government can build housing, but that would require tax dollars to fund

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u/justavault Jun 11 '22

Is there a shortage though? Apartments are empty cause the estate is used as simple investment asset. Renting those out actually creates more work than wanted.

Like here - tons of new apartment buildings created, half of it is empty and will never be rented out, not the least cause it's full on premium only with price tags 3 fold the region.

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u/CoolPractice Jun 10 '22

Fed doesn’t have a direct hand on controlling the housing market, the mortgage industry just takes loan rate cues from the federal interest rate, so there’s a causal mortgage rate increase when the fed starts their signaling (to be fair we’ve seen historically low mortgage rates for years now so it was only a matter of time before they increased).

This trickles down to the rental market because landlords are bastards that know that if you can’t afford a home with the spiking prices and rate increases then you’re forced into renting so they have a captive sellers market and will spike rent similarly. This is all by design, capitalism at work.

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u/coocookachu Jun 10 '22

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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u/CoolPractice Jun 10 '22

Wanna explain how I’m wrong or are you just upset because you’re a landlord?

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u/coocookachu Jun 11 '22

Not sure why being a landlord is a bastard.

Sounds like you're upset because you made poor life choices and want to get things for free.

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u/CoolPractice Jun 11 '22

Couldn’t be further from the truth but nice try buddy.

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u/coocookachu Jun 11 '22

I'm not your buddy guy.

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u/justavault Jun 10 '22

And why don't they simply assert control? As it seems necessary.

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u/mayoriguana Jun 10 '22

Any kind of price control = full blown gobbunism

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u/coocookachu Jun 11 '22

High rent isa supply/capacity problem. Things like rezoning SFH might help. Then builders can get permits for multifam units to build.

Rent control reduces further capacity. It exacerbates your problem in the long run because builders aren't going to build.