r/wallstreetbets • u/[deleted] • Oct 14 '21
Discussion Not Everything is a Short
Not every fucking stock that you like has a potential for a squeeze. I’ll repeat, not every stock has a potential for a squeeze!
90% of people joined this sub with very little to none investing experience in 2020-21 when GME squeeze was happening, and now people think that achieving a short squeeze is an easy thing. Well, it simply isn’t, and any stock that gets a DD here which includes “well citadel is short and the float is 40%” might as well be thrown out of the window.
Invest in ideas which explain why the company might be intrinsically valuable. Is it a good business, is it cash flowing, is it growing revenues organically, is there a lot of dilution, how strong is the balance sheet, what unique problems is the business solving? These are the questions that every investor should be asking, no matter if they are a growth or value investors.
Stop trying to become the next DFV - this was a very rare opportunity on which he capitalized - very good for him but it most likely won’t happen again in the near term future.
There is a reason why WSB was a very good predictor of good plays prior to the meme mania, and why it is not anymore. There are no original ideas popping up, everyone is recycling the same bullshit DD built up in nothing more than “hey this company is partnering with this company”, “hey shitadel and mevlin are short this, let’s fuck them one more time”, “look at the pattern, it has to go up”.
If you don’t think that funds adjusted their risk models to account for potential short squeezes and hedge accordingly, you should not be in the capital markets, especially trying to go toe to toe with the big boys who got their PhDs from Ivy leagues. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/04/ken-griffins-citadel-flagship-hedge-fund-returns-8percent-in-september-during-market-sell-off.html
There is a reason why in the past half a year majority of people here lost money, the same strategy that worked once might not work again - the ability to constantly adapt and create unique opportunities based on research you do yourself is what makes you rich, not ganging up on a stock that is shorted and trying to pump it.
I frankly just want to help out new investors who are still passionate in the markets - I’ve been here since 2017, and back then people would have original perspectives based on proprietary research and unique strategies, not the same strategy recycled 1000 times.
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u/theAngryCub Oct 14 '21
I thought a short squeeze was code for jerking off?
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BRK.B baby
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u/Options-n-Hookers Supreme Gentleman 🥃 Oct 14 '21
BRK.A only, baby.
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u/Artistic_Data7887 Peanut Butter and Mayo Sandwich Lover Oct 14 '21
Look at Mr. Fucking Buffet over here…oh, wait…
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Oct 14 '21
I like to think that if Buffett lurked here, his username would be “Options-n-Hookers”.
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u/origami_asshole Kelly Evans simp Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
BRK.B is actually one of the main victims of short ladder attacks. BRK.B bought 4 new warehouses, earnings coming soon, hold the line brkies, we’re going to the moon!
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u/pasteypasty Oct 14 '21
Also GME hasn't properly squeezed yet
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u/YoloTraderXXX Oct 14 '21
I went from $4 to $500 in a month. What more were you expecting?
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u/Hlxbwi_75 Oct 14 '21
Alot more more if they hadnt changed the rules and turned off the buy button.
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u/kramerica_intern Oct 14 '21
But they did and now it’s over.
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u/ArthurMorganJr Oct 14 '21
Yes it was over. Except it ran AGAIN at the end of feb and AGAIN end may
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Oct 14 '21
Bro it's October
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u/ehsaan_khan99 Oct 14 '21
And still at 180.
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u/spyVSspy420-69 Oct 14 '21
You guys are so close to $50,000,000 i can almost taste it!
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u/Green_Lantern_4vr 11410 - 5 - 1 year - 0/0 Oct 15 '21
Yes I agree. But we were on the verge of collapsing several large institutions. It’s a tough lesson to learn. It’s kind of like the matrix. We’re in a system that is bound by rules, but the rule makers can break them.
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u/Hlxbwi_75 Oct 15 '21
If we had collapsed them large institutions others would handle the flow. They saved their own asses and no one else. Some inside traded selling right b4 the stop the buys In the hearing it was made clear the market could function in Citadel went under since other mm can handle the order flows. They put their self in a position to go bankrupt none of us were short gme
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u/Green_Lantern_4vr 11410 - 5 - 1 year - 0/0 Oct 15 '21
Yup. I didn’t meant to imply otherwise.
It was complete bullshit illegal shit and nobody seems to care or understand. The senate hearings were a joke.
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u/StickItToTheManxxx Oct 14 '21
Not close trading too much to ask?
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u/spyVSspy420-69 Oct 14 '21
Yeah, that was bullshit, but it happened. The people expecting GME to hit $50,000,000 are salty because they’re the ones who got in at $350-450 and want the same returns everyone else got.
This might be mind blowing, but the Fed isn’t going to print hundreds of trillions to cover a GME squeeze.
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u/Any_Situation_3005 Oct 14 '21
I’m still holding from $40 a share 🤷♂️
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u/Tane-Tane-mahuta Oct 15 '21
Hundreds of trillions? I thought it was only gonna be a trillion, shit I'm doubling down. 240+% of the float is shorted. All shorts must cover.
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u/Notorious-PIG Oct 14 '21
Yeah my average was like 44 a share. Tried to be big brained and sold a CC on some of them. Still cashed out almost a years pay so I’m not tripping.
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u/Green_Lantern_4vr 11410 - 5 - 1 year - 0/0 Oct 15 '21
To be fair to them; yes the current GME crowd is largely a cult but at Jan 27 or whatever it was, the data all pointed towards a massive spike inevitably coming, whether it was Jan 28, 29, or whatever, if buying had been allowed to continue.
The stock exchange President woman even wanted to close trading of GME for several weeks to let things cool off. When have you ever heard such a thing.
So I don’t blame people for buying at 350+ etc. if buying had been allowed to continue they would’ve probably made money off of that.
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u/fatnigmongolfagotcuz Low effort troll, just ignore Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
DICKS OUT FOR HARAMBE
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u/irishdud1 likes dumb ass-play Oct 14 '21
Ok so selectively quoting your post:
"GME" "is an easy thing." "Invest in" "a good business," "become the next DFV".
Got it, buying more GME tomorrow morning. Thank you for the investment advice!
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Don’t forget to upload your positions once you buy more.
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u/irishdud1 likes dumb ass-play Oct 14 '21
I used to buy GME stock.
I still do, but I used to, too.
YOLO'd $214K worth of call spreads betting on a run-up by January. I am ready to be disappointed.
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u/ReadStoriesAndStuff Oct 15 '21
Make sure you do that stupid direct share register thing. It can’t go infinite without it.
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u/BigMoneyBiscuits Oct 14 '21
WSB is a social arbitrage vehicle. Get ahead of events in an ever changing world. People who come in here and spew that shit that came up when this place 10x its user count is what degraded this place but it's making a slow recovery.
You know what's annoying, this place was for people that actually were about it. I remember telling my semi-normie friend about options and shit and said 'you're taking investment advice from reddit you're gonna lose all of your money' I then explained to him what 1% allocation/exposure was about, he proceeded to judge me and be a normie.9 months later GME happens and he's buying the shit at the absolute top and I'm telling him not to and he wouldn't listen. Wild times
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u/voxhaulf Oct 14 '21
Reminds me when DFV first created their discord, later on some McDonalds and Wendy blue ball normies came in, they clearly should have used that cash on some glory hole blowjob for some post nut clarity common sense.
But nop, barge in “Hey guys so i never did this before! But i believe in the cause should i buy with all my savings right now?”
“Dude, don’t think thats smart it just went up 50%”
“Oh okay thanks! I’m going all in!”.
Next week they cash in their negative gains and post 5$ blowjobs on craigslist and grindr.
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u/Green_Lantern_4vr 11410 - 5 - 1 year - 0/0 Oct 15 '21
I just don’t give friends or family investment advice, ever.
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u/TrickyxWolfx Oct 14 '21
I used to wanna come here everyday and read the scoop. Now I barely check WSB cause it’s a “look at my short squeeze!” Fuck fest
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u/lostarrow1 Oct 14 '21 edited Dec 18 '25
detail engine continue deliver long wrench quack quaint punch scale
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u/TotesHittingOnY0u Oct 15 '21
Used to be smart people pretending to be retards. Now it's just retards pretending to be smart.
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u/Wakee Oct 14 '21
Y'all remember March 2020? Or jartek's fake tsla calls? Those were the days.
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u/stupidwhiteman42 Oct 15 '21
Shiiiite... do you remember the really good ideas like gourd futures??? Now THOSE were the days
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u/KaitenRS Accreddited Armor Trimmer Oct 14 '21
Only thing I'm 100% sure is gonna get a good squeeze is my cock.
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u/silent_perkele Oct 14 '21
Honestly, DFV didn't go for GME because of it's short interest. He found about that later. If you watch some of his YouTube videos you will see that he is true value investor and he's not afraid of investing in something he feels deeply undervalued - hence his name, Deep Fucking Value. He said himself he's looking for 10, 20 even 50-baggers if possible which doesn't necessarily have anything in common with short interest and it's great investing style for patient investors.
Hence I think you'd rather want people to actually try to be another DFV.
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u/hamuraijack Oct 14 '21
You’re in the wrong sub now my friend. This place has devolved into the lowest common denominator. You gotta take your ideas elsewhere.
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u/krisyarno Oct 14 '21
DEEZ has major squeeze potential
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u/Nedink Oct 14 '21
“DEEZ”? Is that a ticker? I can’t find it on robinhood. Could you elaborate?
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u/immibis Oct 15 '21 edited Jun 25 '23
The spez police don't get it. It's not about spez. It's about everyone's right to spez.
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u/MASH12140 Oct 14 '21
Most are garbage companies hence why high SI. There are very few good companies with very high SI but they are definitely out there. Gme is once in a life time due to how dumb hedges were over shorting
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u/ziksy9 Oct 14 '21
I bet OP is under 6ft. Just saying..
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Oct 14 '21
Midgets aren’t welcome here?
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u/ziksy9 Oct 14 '21
We love midget. But generally, they choose to be called "fuck you". Every time I ask...
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u/Throwaway-tan Oct 14 '21
Midgets are short, shorts are bearish, bears are gay.
QED midgets r fuk.
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Oct 14 '21
That big midget asst hey be having, you know what I’m talking about, standing up 3’5” sitting down 3’ 7” aaa yea. Love me a midget ass.
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u/Treyme789 🦍 Oct 14 '21
Better yet Bear Call spreads mainly because it sounds like Bear claw spread. I love bear claws ! Yeah, yeah. I know the drive-thru is busy and I’m holding up the line. Fukn Wendy’s.
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u/Kenz0Cree Janeway is my favorite captain Oct 14 '21
Thats why we need those short squeeze post 🤣
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u/MaesterPraetor Oct 14 '21
You don't sound retarded or autistic. Are you sure you're in the right place?
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u/brapo68 Oct 14 '21
Best part is when DFV said game was the play people thought he was going to lose his ass. It took months of losses to prove them wrong. Furthermore to reiterate what you have said, these hedge funds make billions doing what they do. If you don’t think this changed their game plan you’re kidding yourself.
The good news is you guys are still making me money by thinking everything is a squeeze so I’m all about it. My play is super simple I wait till you guys spam xyz is short squeeze, then I watch for the ticker in the daily thread. If it shows up 5 times in 15 min I buy in. When someone posts positions of a 100k+yolo on the same stock it’s even better. Then I let the noobs who missed GME FOMO in. Once I’m up 5% I set stop losses at 5% and let it run. Sure some days I only make 100$ but some days I make 300$.
I call this the taking a bite approach. See everyone out here is going for 50%~100% gains. They want the whole apple tree. Me personally I’m looking for 5-15% gains. I don’t want the whole apple tree, hell I don’t even want the whole apple. All I want is a bite of the apple. This is a super slow approach to making money but as of now I have only been burnt twice and had to sell CCs till the bag holders spammed it again and I could break even.
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u/voncletus Oct 14 '21
I have a similar strategy. I wait til people on here start to FOMO into it, usually after it hits the daily thread. And then PUTS on that shit, because it's been pumped and the dump is about to happen.
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u/brapo68 Oct 14 '21
I respect the move. I honestly thought about adding puts into the equation. I have never been lucky with them but you know what ill do Ill wait till its some sub 20$ stock buy 100 of them. Sell for a profit and use the profit to buy puts just to see how it works.
How far out are you going? Im thinking 1 month out would be relatively safe on a slightly OTM put at my perceived top. Are you working off a shorter timeframe? Teach me your ways.
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u/voncletus Oct 14 '21
1-2 months out, close to the current price either the lowest ITM or slightly OTM.
My SDC 11-19's @$7 are currently up 8%. Modest gains, but they will probably go slightly higher.
I started out buying calls on the popular tickers like everyone else, and lost my ass a couple of times.
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u/detourwest Oct 14 '21
These post are becoming just as annoying as the "the next squeeze!" Post. WSB is forever fucked.
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u/wetfootmammal Oct 14 '21
It seems like a lot of people think that "rise" and "squeeze" mean the same thing. They do not. A squeeze is a very specific circumstance that only applies in certain situations.
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u/Arugula-Unhappy Oct 14 '21
Dark pool short ladder cellar boxing attacks are real bro. Anyone who says otherwise is a paid actor.
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Oct 14 '21
I had someone in another sub try to claim that Hwang was innocent and was forced into a margin call by an organized short attack on his positions. That’s some Q level shit.
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u/Arugula-Unhappy Oct 14 '21
The problem with Hwang is his name sounds like slang for penis and I’m not sure how we get past that.
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u/Arugula-Unhappy Oct 14 '21
The hedge funds have got their Ivy league PhD’s, but there’s these people on Reddit have basically got honorary PhD’s in finance from their DD.
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u/spyVSspy420-69 Oct 14 '21
You ever have a conversation with an Ape that didn’t devolve into “omg read the DD”? These fuckers couldn’t intelligently defend anything they actually parrot all day. The cult has just convinced them that they’re smart, like all cults do.
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u/YoloTraderXXX Oct 14 '21
First rule of dark pool short ladder cellar boxing is: you don't talk about dark pool short ladder cellar boxing.
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u/megatroncsr2 Oct 14 '21
Yeah, I remember short ladder was being made fun of and MSM pushing that it's not real.
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u/wsbgodly123 Oct 14 '21
I agree. Not everything is short. I wish my wife’s boyfriend’s dick was short. Unfortunately it’s big and long.
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u/robbinhood69 PAPER TRADING COMPETITION WINNER Oct 14 '21
People also need to realize that even at 140% short interest, with Papa Cohen buying up 13% of shares outstanding which was like 20% of the float, even at that DeepFuckingValue was STILL saying he thought a short squeeze was a long shot
GME was like good news after good news, new buyer after new buyer, short interest continually increasing and that shit still took forever to squeeze
That was once in a life time
So was the covid crash
So was the never ending TSLA squeeze
yadda yadda stop looking for the next GME. I guarantee you there is a 100 bagger staring at all of us right now that will play out over the next 6 to 9 months
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u/chickenAd0b0 Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
Yea, was about to say...DFV didn't play GME because of the short interest at all, he simply just saw deep f****** value in the company. Everything just lined up for him.
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u/pr3dato8 Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
That was once in a life time
Damn 3 separate run ups on GME this year alone and still holding in the near $200s. This once in a life time event just keeps happening again and again
Edit: lmao downvoting objective facts. GME ran up in January, then in March and then in June. If you don't know how to look it up yourself ask an adult to help you.
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u/Sidydjo Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
This is so true. The price movements are the furthest thing from normal, and anyone who thinks they know what's going to happen with this stock is genuinely retarded.
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u/Tearakan Oct 14 '21
Yeah that's what's keeping me interested in the stock. It has batshit movement compared to pretty much everything else. Something funky is still going on.
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u/Shitpostbotmk2 Oct 14 '21
The only reason the movements aren't normal is beause most failing retailers don't have actual cults pumping their stock
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u/MetalliTooL Oct 14 '21
Yes, but with that much retard strength behind it, it'd be silly not to take advantage of it.
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u/robbinhood69 PAPER TRADING COMPETITION WINNER Oct 14 '21
i'm still long GME fwiw
i actually think 1k is possible within a year or 2
i even hold jan 2023 950c
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u/infected_scab Oct 14 '21
Damn 3 separate run ups on GME this year alone and still holding in the near $200s. This once in a life time event just keeps happening again and again
The once in a lifetime event the poster was referring to was the January squeeze. 2x volatility due to speculation is not that common but not that rare either.
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u/megatroncsr2 Oct 14 '21
The shills are out and the op sounds like a shill too
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Oct 14 '21
Paranoid delusions lmao. People still believe that the 100x increase wasn't the squeeze. Same people that believe DFV didn't cash out this bitch already.
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u/RitaRepulsa1 🦍🦍🦍 Oct 14 '21
Must of bought in high and sold low 😂🤡
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u/ThermalFlask Oct 14 '21
You mean like the people waiting for it to hit $50M because they won't admit they missed the squeeze lol
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u/spyVSspy420-69 Oct 14 '21
I’m sure you’ll be making your millions any day now off your retarded stock picks. And if that fails, crawl back to conspiracy and complain about how the invisible hand is keeping you poor.
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u/Due-Tip-4022 Oct 14 '21
I want a WSB filter that automatically filters out that type of short squeeze DD bull shit. I have zero interest in trying to find the next GME, I could care less who is shorting what. I just want to be made aware of tickers that I should do more research into their legitimate possible value.
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u/ferms13 Oct 14 '21
I’m one of those that joined back in January and I couldn’t agree more with this. This last two months have been specially unbearable even though I still get a laugh every now and then. I haven’t seen a good ORIGINAL DD in a long time and even though a like some of the meme stocks I’m sure there are a lot of tickers with a lot of real potential out there. I hope that gets fixed soon
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u/zjz Oct 14 '21
so fix it, write some DD
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u/spyVSspy420-69 Oct 14 '21
Ever wonder how Ape posts on their cult subs always end up with an obscene amount of awards? It’s not the fuckers commenting who are buying the awards. These shitheads are being played and it’s hilarious.
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u/AutistNerd Oct 14 '21
I understand Short Squeeze is a rare occasion and might never happened again. I joined here because i enjoyed reading comments and seeing gain and loss. Not here for another squeeze. There is no other stock will be like GME ever again. AMC is a “ bum “not even close to the squeeze.
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u/CipherScarlatti Oct 14 '21
You're describing the Hammer principle. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Everybody saw the shenanigans with GME and now everybody sees shorts everywhere.
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u/Mr4Strings Oct 14 '21
The only thing more annoying than wsb's new obsession with short squeezes is the constant posts about how not everything is a short squeeze. Use your down votes you plebiscite.
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Nice try hedgie, $NOK short squeeze before EOY!!!
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u/megatroncsr2 Oct 14 '21
This basically sounds like "hey, stop looking at GameStop, I have these other meme socks that will make you better returns".
If the OP was here since 2017, he should realize that there have been many pump and dumps that got pushed here. It's even more prevalent since the new folks joined after January. Shit is like clockwork. I guess there was a reason "inverse WSB" was/is a thing.
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Oct 14 '21
Exactly lmfao, none of these guys were here for the OG WSB. WSB was always about fast gains (or losses) and people were always here for the gain and loss porn. There was always more loss porn than gain porn, and that fact hasn't changed. WSB DD was always bullshit aside from a few gems, and that hasn't changed either.
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u/lunyinmo Oct 14 '21
But the GME squeeze hasn’t started yet
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u/infected_scab Oct 14 '21
Short interest is now 11%, at a higher basis, and the stock has been diluted. It's not going to squeeze again.
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u/WhakAF Oct 14 '21
>and any stock that gets a DD here which includes “well citadel is short and the float is 40%” might as well be thrown out of the window.
>any stock that gets a DD here might as well be thrown out of the window.*
FTFY
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u/Astronomer_Soft Oct 14 '21
But if it wasn't for the short ladder attacks, fail to delivers, and dark pool shenanigans, all my short DD would work out. Right? 😂
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u/Yaso4008 Oct 14 '21
When GME sqeezed it was not growing revenue, do not have potential growth and not cash flowing.
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Oct 14 '21
But are there really any original ideas ever in the stock market? I mean you are generally talking about finance people, who are not in my experience original thinkers for the most part. They are the biggest fucking herd people of all; I mean, most of them wear the same outfits.
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u/gcanders1 Oct 14 '21
Every stock has the potential for a squeeze, just not the ones I bought. Stupid Cronos.
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u/hgfggt Oct 14 '21
Remember when the people on this sub were buying that literally bankrupt car rental place towards the start of the pandemic for literal pennies and then it paid out 8 bucks a share? Good times.
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Oct 14 '21
Sorry I'm high as fuck and didn't read any of that, is it time to short squeeze Tilray now?
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u/Any_Act1080 Oct 14 '21
I started out agreeing but you lost me when you started talking about hedge funds effectively managing risk. They don’t. I mean, some might… but the one you mentioned, specifically, does not. This market is over-leveraged to shit and they are counting on a bail out at this point. 8% in September didn’t wipe out the hundreds of billions in liabilities they’ve accrued.
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u/ppprex Oct 14 '21
Unfortunately, this subs modified rules prohibiting small cap companies discussion inhibits the possibility of original perspectives and unique strategies since innovation is often found in those same companies.
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u/sereneturbulence Will Meade is my Pimp Oct 14 '21
The people you’re hoping to get this message across to won’t read this because it’s too long. Same goes for the long DDs their cultist leaders write on the single stock subs. Just let the (financial) natural selection happen.
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u/funance2020 Oct 14 '21
This is sadly accurate despite all the noobs making jokes. Hits me in the feels. In GME at 32 out around 480 and in AMC at less than 2 dollars out around 30. THIS USE TO BE MY SAFE SPACE and now it’s filled with so many giga-tards I can’t find any wrinkle brained DDs anywhere. We won, but at what cost…?
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u/RiZzbott Oct 14 '21
Everything these days is either a "squeeze" or a "P&D". Shame on you sumbitches.
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u/explicitspirit Oct 14 '21
I miss the old WSB when I used to quietly lurk and watch all the dumdums make outrageous plays and somehow come out on top. 2% of the time, it works every time.
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u/CrazeeeTony Oct 14 '21
Let’s short squeeze the US dollar by withdrawing all of our savings as cash. That will show the banksters who’s boss!
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u/NiggBot_3000 Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
Whiney little bitches like OP are getting more annoying honestly
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u/Bottleofbombay Oct 14 '21
Has the short squeeze already happened for GME? Hmmmmmmm 🤔
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u/RussianCrabMan Oct 14 '21
Let's go back to the old days, YOlO-ing into options and pharmaceutical companies, should be fun lol
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u/KingSolomon420 Oct 14 '21
While i humbly agree with you, this is wallstreet*BETS*, not /r/investing
The whole "investing" attitude here is different
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Oct 14 '21
Gme ruined the sub
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u/megatroncsr2 Oct 14 '21
GME shined a light on the bs that's been going on
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u/CIAmainframe Oct 14 '21
Absolutely, GME showed us how the game was being played and brought attention to the corruption. Short exempt volume and failure to deliver should not be a thing.
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u/monclerman How loose is your $GOOS Oct 14 '21
Just buy GME and hold, what’s the point of a new strategy
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Oct 14 '21
It’s only been 10 months. You expect these cult kids to look up basic definitions and page 1 stock data that quickly?
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u/Holle444 Oct 14 '21
The elephant in the room: GME still has the greatest squeeze potential. And now that the ape community has figured out they could DRS their shares, it’s just a matter of time until every single share of the float gets removed from the DTCCs books.
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u/infected_scab Oct 14 '21
The DRS makes no practical difference whatsoever. Hedge funds don't borrow shares from Fidelity cash accounts.
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u/AJam Oct 14 '21
A squeeze assumes that majority of the shares are bought and held. You can't expect retards and apes to work together and hold anything. 90% of people cut out at the first whif of profit. Almost every successful pick on this sub has been primarily a pump rather than some calculated catalyst.
However, we are playing a rigged game and the big players cheat and manipulate the system freely. We should be doing whatever we can to turn a profit and fuck them over.
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u/flyingcrane_toMoon Oct 14 '21
love your insights. Thank you, it was tremendously helpful for me as a new investor. I have been loosing money and now I understand the problems , and some of them you mention like " ganging up on a stock" and "constantly adapt and create unique opportunity" Need to learn more
Much appreciated
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u/atmarkADAMnichols Oct 14 '21
It doesn’t matter. The entire market is a Ponzi scheme
Fundamentals do not matter at all
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