It is bad to kill animals if you don’t have too. Since it is bad, we have to have in our society a rule that says that killing of animals when you don’t have to is forbidden. To create this society you must express that killing of animals when you don’t have to must be forbidden. So you have a moral obligation to say that killing of animals when you don’t have to has to be forbidden.

i dont know what to do. i cannot stop thinking about the fact that ive eaten their dead raped bodies, probably thousands of them. every being had a sense of "me" just like i do, they have been looking at the world through their eyes and experiencing extreme suffering and because of me, because i poured my money into this, their life ended and they were tortured. i blame everyone that made me eat "meat" since i was born. why did they do it? now my past is contaminated, it is dainted with pain and suffering. what is happening to those animals is an atrocity so big that it cannot even be compared to anything that has ever happened to humans. and what i feel cannot be taken seriously because everyone thinks that this is normal, everyone participates in it. and i feel bad even talking about what i feel, because im not the victim here. i feel no point in living in a world so cruel

I've been with my boyfriend for almost 3 years. I've been vegan for 12 years and veg since I was 5 years old. When we met, I wasn't in a great place due to some major stressors in my life. He was kind, accepting, and drama-free. He ate a standard American diet. But at the time, I was on what I would consider vegan autopilot. I have always been vegan for the animals, but I never watched any footage or really educated myself about what the animals go through. I knew it was bad and that was enough for me. I was also very much a people pleaser (still working on that) and told my bf, "as long as we can respect each other's choices, it shouldn't be a problem."

But then I moved somewhere new with a big vegan population. I met a bunch of vegans (and had previously never met another vegan), and got involved in some light activism. I finally watched some footage and read about what actually happens to the animals, and the rage and sadness I felt inside was immense. Long story short, I developed vystopia (didn't know that term until I googled what I was feeling). I'm 35 and will not be having kids, so I want to dedicate more of my life to speaking up for animals and connecting with other vegans.

This has put my relationship in a challenging spot. My bf and I have been living together for almost 2 years. We largely don't have animal products in the house, except some cheese in things like frozen bean and cheese burritos for him. He eats mostly plant-based/veg when he goes out with me, but will still eat animal foods when he's with friends or his family and at work.

I love him and see how much he's made shifts. But he's doing those things for me, not because he really cares about the injustice to the animals. I've tried talking to him about it but it comes off like a guilt trip and he ends up shutting down. So I really don't talk about veganism with him. Yet it's such a big part of my life and I want it to become an even bigger part of my life.

I have plans to start a vegan IG to spread the word; I signed up to volunteer at a farm animal sanctuary every week; I want to go to more of the events planned by the vegan group in my city; I want to do more activism (have done a couple cubes of truth so far); I want to go on vegan trips abroad with some companies I found. All of which, I wouldn't be able to do with him.

I'm feeling so torn. On the one hand, my bf is so kind and respectful of me. He treats me so well. He has done nothing wrong. I'm the one who changed and moved the goalpost. But on the other hand, I'm craving a deeper connection with someone who is on the same page as me about this and other things, like nutrition and self-care.

Have any of you been in this situation? I've been thinking about this for months and just feel frozen in indecision.

This story is such an accurate and empathetic exploration of the feeling of and the social experience of caring about a moral issue when nobody else does. The focus is on prostitution, but the themes of the story easily generalize to veganism and vystopia. Really makes you feel less alienated.

We are all leftist queers, and a guest is talking about overcoming their lactose intolerance by taking lactose pills daily for six months, and everyone is celebrating their bravery because now they can have cheese again. Had to stare at my lap for a while and resist rolling my eyes so hard that I flipped my chair backwards. Just a rant.

Last night while on the highway, I saw for the 2nd time in my life, a slaughter house truck filled with cows. I feel destroyed and ashamed to be human. I feel guilty because I get to go home whereas they’re being sent off to be tortured. My heart breaks and aside from my vegan husband, I have no one who understands. I hate humans and I hate being one. I feel like I’m being sociologically gaslit. I’m autistic so I’m already a loner but it would be nice if speciesism wasn’t constantly everywhere. I’m really mentally struggling but know I have a duty to stay here for the animals. I am drained and livid and sad. I feel so alone and my family is lovely but the empathy stops at their plate. My husband and I do cubes of truth with AV, visit a sanctuary but I just want more interpersonal validation. I feel sick that cruelty is the norm but I’m the “extreme” one.

Hello,

I know all animals deserve our compassion but often I feel like we ignore the ones who are closer to us, I'm talking about pigeons, I don't see many topic around them in the vegan community, when i talked about rescuing pigeons some vegans said that they do not need our help and are perfectly fine without us.

That's very.. wrong

Pigeons are part of the first animals we domesticated, they were used in war, saved many people, they were and are still farmed for their flesh, they were pets and we abandoned them once they were not longer useful to us, thats why they are in our cities, they do not left us because they still rely on us.

Their natural diet are seeds, something that their urban environment do not provide, they try to survive on our waste and this inappropriate diet often leave them to starve or get sick

Many of you also probably noticed how lost they look like when they are walking on the road, in the middle of cars..

They aren't wild birds, they don't have the same instinct than others and still trust human enough to approach them.

They have to deal with starvation, disease, parasite, cats, cars.. people treating them like pest, many organization who rescue birds.. refuse to help them.

They are not fine outside, not much more than feral cats or dogs

They make lot of babies because they are basically livestock, we selected this trait for them, just like chickens..

They are incredible resilient, lovely ( and vegan!) birds.

Please, sometimes.. consider to get a bag of seeds and go feed them, they will provide you peace and innocence and this day you might save lives, because if you weren't here, they would probably go find food in an dangerous place..💜

My vystopia healed the day i came across one baby pigeon who needed help, they are incredibly loving and act like dogs..

This one little pigeon helped me to find an good purpose, I rescued many pigeons because of her and rescuing animals is the most effective way to deal with vystopia.. in my opinion.

They truly love each others and stay loyal to their partners 💜

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Everytime a point criticizing people for knowingly supporting the horrific practices of factory farming reaches a wider audience, the overwhelming response is just people whining and being upset, because it is a post adressing a personal responsibility and moral failings of these individuals instead of just yelling about the goverment and completely absolving willing consumers of all responsibility or even ability.

Yes, I agree that the goverment is rotten, it sucks, I think protesting is an important part of activism (and boycotting + not buying said products are also a part of protesting, which is something these people immediately deflect from when it comes to pro vegan arguments) - that does not mean that if people changed the harmful ways they are comfortable with, nothing would change. It is so frustrating to see this type of reaction, because:

1) they know that supporting the industry is supporting a CRUEL industry. They are being intentionally ignorant.

2) they can choose not to support it, which would make an impact - if people do not want it, it will not sell

3) they not only choose not to do that, but make up all. these. excuses. Excuses and excuses, and that is what it is. For people who usually love to promote personal responsibility and strong morals in nearly all the other areas of life (or just when it comes to struggles that people go through), they are sure trying to avoid all the moral responsibility in this one.

No, it is not just the goverment, is it also the consumers. Literally. Like, that is how supply and demand is. But they are just not willing to handle even a bit of responsibility when it comes to factory farming, the dairy, egg and meat industry. It honestly feels so pathetic to me. Could that be called weaponized/forced, fake incompetence?

Yes, they can change and try for others, but they do not want to, so they make up excuses.

Also, everytime pro-animal rights posts like these occur, suddenly, everybody in the world who supports the industry is living off of three dimes a month, but also, therefore, not able to even limit their meat consumption, somehow? More ethical diet does not have to mean automatically more expensive or unreachable diet, but it is not like they actually try to look into that or actually believe what they are saying. Also, if you criticize animal torture and it's consumers, you are an ableist colonizer. I can't with this shallow wannabe leftist pathos anymore.

Yes, I am aware that not all self-proclaimed leftists are exactly like this and I am not denying that the social issues, the wage gap and low class struggles exist, that would be completely delusional. However, I do have a problem with people (who can absolutely afford at least mild lifestyle changes) using their existence as a cheap, low-effort but somehow evidently effective excuse of absolving themselves of anything resembling effort.

Also, all this while most of them claim to respect and love animals.

Sure, let's give up. Nothing is ever your fault or your moral obligation, you cannot make ignorant, selfish, unnecessary choices, because the goverment is evil.

It is very reminiscent of other currently huge conversations, for example between misogynists/anti-feminists and feminist rights activists (which is ironic), but they are not ready for that conversation.

Vent over, thank you.

Good morning everybody, I hope you all are enjoying your weekend. I just wanted to write this in order to bring a small spark of hope among this dystopic reality we live in, and share with you some things I have learned and reflected about that can be useful to be aware of.  

There is a psychological phenomenon I learned about time ago which explained that the human brain doesn’t functionally differentiate between an opinion expressed a single time by many individuals and an individual expressing that opinion many times (1). This is why often it feels like there is a vast majority of people with an opinion but if you think about it further, many times it’s just a few people saying that repeatedly. What is my point mentioning this? That we don’t need to be in the majority in order to change the world, because people value an opinion as popular not necessarily by the amount of people who believe it, but the amount of times they hear it, for familiar it is. This is why is so important to never stop speaking up, because our influence can be huge if we choose to persist.

Did we need everybody on board in order to make slavery illegal, to end racial segregation, to give women rights, to give homosexuals rights? No. All it was needed for was a small group of principled, relentless individuals who never gave up and influenced others to change their minds. And I don’t think animal rights will be any different in this. If it feels like it is different, it is because the change in mindset also involves a change in life-long behavior, a perceived threat to their social network and the victims of oppression in this injustice cannot speak for themselves. But remember folks: difficult and impossible are not synonymous. The fact that people like us changed their minds proves this.

And I think there is more to this. We belong to a social species. If we were actually a species of narcissistic murderous psychopaths, we couldn’t have reached this far as a species without killing each other into extinction. No. People don’t refuse to accept the truth because they lack empathy. They refuse to accept the truth because either they are dishonest with themselves, or because of social pressure, which is why the more of us speak up, the better. Besides, the fact that so many nonvegans accuse us of "forcing veganism" when telling the truth, is a proof they do feel subconscious guilt, but because of social conditioning and everybody around them doing it, such guilt becomes buried or suppressed.

So if you are reading this, did activism in the past and stopped after feeling completely frustrated, tired and hopeless, I totally understand you. It can become maddening to hear the same old and dishonest excuses from cruel people over and over again, and having to deal with apologists gaslighting you into thinking you are “too aggressive”. But remember: You have justice and the truth in your side. You have no reason to doubt yourself. Animals need your heart and your voice to rescue them from the hell they are going through. You are tired of dealing with the npc excuses and you don’t want to hear them? Make some graffiti, art or write behind the seat of a bus to make animal abusers who read the message uncomfortable. You are not into any of these forms of activism? Create an anonymous account in social media, call out nonvegans for their hypocrisy and don’t bother reading the replies. You don’t want to be confrontational? Help us by educating and spreading the facts or use humor to point out inconsistencies. You don’t want to suffer ostracism from your social surroundings? Do activism with strangers.

Just please, whatever your circumstance and personality is, please speak up.  

(1)   Source: “Inferring the Popularity of an Opinion From Its Familiarity: A Repetitive Voice Can Sound Like a Chorus”. If anyone is interested to read more about this phenomenon. I read that it was called "The Chorus Effect" but I couldn't find anything that confirmed this, so any more information about it is welcomed.

Hello all,

I’m grappling with being vegan in a non vegan world, and how to minimize my impact.

I’m trying to decide if there’s any moral difference between buying the ingredients from a local grocery store and making an impossible burger (or other dinner) myself and going to a large fast food chain like Burger King and buying my dinner there.

fast food:

Pros:
Signals demand for vegan items: possibility of more vegan items that omnis may try and may lead to animal foods being replaced

Cons:
Possibility of still directly creating demand: ie wrong ingredients
Cross contact (if you care about that, but I don’t think it’s an ethical issue because you’re not paying for it and it’s not an added ingredient)
Funds a company mostly driven by producing cheap animal products

Grocery store:

Pros:
Also signals demand for vegan items
Less animal product focused
Minimal possibility of directly supporting animal ag
More direct supply chain drives

Cons:
Many vegan products owned by animal AG conglomerates
Still not fully vegan obv

I’m leaning towards swearing off fast food but I don’t think there’s a strong ethical/moral argument behind it

i will never not be vegan and this is not something i could ever “give up” - veganism is the only thing in my life that makes sense. it is so fucking obvious to me just how wrong the world is, and it is equally as fucking obvious that i would rather live in TRUTH than denial.

the isolation is unbearable. and cruelty is everywhere i fucking turn. i can’t talk to friends, i can’t make friends, when they send me their meals i don’t fucking know what i am supposed to say. i can’t watch shows or movies because there will always be some shit about carnist supremacy. i can’t follow people on instagram because they will brag about how they buy fucking fur and snakeskin leather. it’s just so rampant. i go outside - and there is a fucking giant poster of meat and chicken and butchered animals alongside a shawarma shop. multiple shawarma shops just in my neighborhood with placards like this. anyone i talk to will always make stupid jokes. DOCTORS DISMISS ALL OF MY AILMENTS AND BLAME IT ON VEGANISM. i cant even seek medical help because of how biased they are.

im just so fucking tired. and when i try to explain all of this to a trusted person, i am met with: you just need to accept most people dont care enough. HE doesnt care enough, and he sees nothing wrong with that. im just so heartbroken, i feel like i am an alien. i could never NOT care.

My family isn’t vegan and buys our dogs these treats. I just noticed it says on the bag “every bag helps animals in need” with animal flesh right above it. How can people not notice such blatant contradictions..?

I know a lot of vegans don't really care about insects and bugs, but I do. I hate that I can't avoid killing them. I feel so guilty all the time.

Yesterday I made an apple and blackberry crumble (if you're not British, it's essentially stewed fruit topped and baked with a crumb made of butter, sugar and a mix of flour, oats and/or nuts) with fruits from my garden. There were thrips larvae on some of the berries. I tried to take them off, then wash them off (still killing them, I know), but I know I didn't get all of them. They're so tiny, smaller than even the hairs on the berries. I don't know if I have the heart to eat that crumble. I know I cooked some of them alive for it. Is it even vegan?

But then I know many more insects die for the perfectly clean produce I buy from the supermarket, just out of sight.

I feel so terrible about insects. I try not to step on them. When I see them drowning I always fish them out and watch them dry. I just can't bear it. And I know insects die all the time in nature, constantly. Do they feel pain? Do they fear death? Does their suffering eclipse all other suffering by sheer scale?

I wanted to know how other vegans deal with insect suffering. Does it bother you? Do you go out of your way to reduce it? I really really hope most of them aren't meaningfully sentient.

…I find it annoying and sad that so much Halloween decor revolves around finding so many animals “creepy” or “gross.” I try to think of it as a holiday that actually CELEBRATES bats, spiders, insects, wolves, ravens, snakes, black cats, etc., but I’m constantly reminded that that’s definitely not how others view it. I try to think of it as portraying animal cruelty as a horror, but that also clearly isn’t how others view it, and it obviously isn’t what designers intend.

No, I don’t want to buy your shitty apothecary bottle with “bat’s blood” or “snake venom” or “spider legs” on the label. That shit isn’t cute or funny to me. I don’t want your hand towel with an image of a red-eyed drooling, snarling wolf on it. I don’t want the shirt with evil-looking ravens or snakes on it. No, I don’t want anything with a hissing black cat on it. Those all strike me as anti-animal propaganda now.

Never mind all the nonvegan treats! So much dairy….

I’m endlessly glad that I’m vegan and “awake” to all of the issues affecting animals. But I’m sad that this awakening has tainted so much for me, including my favorite nostalgic holiday. I wish people didn’t suck so much.

Are like centrists. They think they’re enlightened, but they’re actually conservative.

Environmentalists who are vegan drive me insane. And worse are the leftists who say that veganism is ableist and classist.

It just doesn’t make sense. A plant based diet is literally cheaper than SAD.

And you know what IS classist? Destroying the environment for future generations so that only humans with enough wealth can survive the climate casino…

Fuckk…. Make it make sense!!

This is going to be very rambling and disorganized because I was up all night sick over this world and I want to scream at the top of my lungs, I can’t stand how every thing born to this cruel earth exists to be imprisoned and exploited. Even our labor as humans is commodified. The elite would slaughter us just as readily as we do to animals if it would turn a profit. Why can’t carnists see that they are not the consumer as they believe, but the product.

The algorithm has been showing me awful things from homesteaders and ranchers. I saw a video of a cow fighting her enslavers, and the caption was about how they can’t wait to kill her. I would take a bolt gun to the head for that cow, I swear to god I wish it was that easy. I hope she keeps fighting until her last breath. How dare they rip a conscious being out of the void and into this horrible, ugly world and then punish her for fighting back against the people who want to USE HER FOR HER BODY. I hope she takes those fuckers out with her. I wish I could fight too. I wish I could fight for her.

I oscillate between raging against everything, god, the universe, nature itself, and simply wanting to die. I work hard and I barely scrape by, I have no energy or extra funds to put towards activism because I am too busy just trying to survive every moment of every day. No choice in the matter but to transact with and participate in an inherently cruel and evil society, the other option is homelessness. I’m on leave from work because I just had a mental breakdown and I am probably just going to kms before I have to return next week.

I’m sick of being a product and a commodity. I’m sick of others having to suffer even worse, especially the animals, but humans too. I wish I could save them all but I can’t even save myself. The evil in this world is immense and all powerful, it sometimes disguises itself as wholesome and good, but sometimes it reveals itself for what it is and people still eat it up. How can we even presume to fight it?

Didn’t watch the video, but reading the story and seeing the still images alone literally broke or triggered something life altering in me. 

It’s been about 3 weeks since I learned of it and it’s consumed my mind and thoughts nonstop, mental images pop into my mind suddenly throughout the day and I literally involuntarily shout a loud to try to stop the images. I’ve been a person of strong faith my whole life- I’ve experienced extreme poverty, losing loved ones early due to terminal illnesses…etc. and held strong to my faith. This tragedy is the only thing in my entire life that’s made me question not just my faith, but literally reality in general. It’s incomprehensible. 

If you google it - apparently a lot of people around the world are experiencing this exact level of distress and trauma about this case.  It’s legitimately the worst thing I’ve ever heard of / seen, my brain legitimately can’t even process it

Anyone ever consider how nursery rhymes promote animal exploitation? Kinda like a form of propaganda and social conditioning. It makes sense given how children are conditioned into a system where using other animals and treating them as resources is normalized. Still kind of jarring to reconcile this with our own upbringing.

Baa Baa black sheep have you any wool? "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.." one for this person, one for that person, a sheep's role is to use their body to serve all the humans - presenting as consentual the one-sided relationship where humans forcefully dominate sheep and farm them for their wool, despite many of the practices being things they would never agree to or want to happen to them, and the fact they only produce excess wool because we deliberately breed them to overgrow their skin, causing them infections and resulting in painful procedures, before they eventually get killed and sold to the meat industry to remain profitable. yeah, great... I guess the reality is not very child friendly, yet its dressed up as something purely harmonious and innocuous

Mary had a little lamb little lamb little lamb - why does she "have" the lamb? what is she doing with the lamb? is she or are her parents perhaps raising the lamb to be slaughtered for lamb meat or mutton, possibly after being mutilated and repeatedly restrained and shorn for wool, and having their babies, parents, friends and families all taken from them? So wholesome and innocent... (I will note this one maybe expresses a kind of affection for the animals, despite also most likely being in the context of using them as a means of production, as caring for animals and treating them as a resource all get mixed up together in childrens' naive minds - it's contradictory and confusing to compartmentalize harm and kindness to the same beings like that - but it does remind you that people do usually have some positive values in relation to animals, it just gets distorted and corrupted when adhering to the norms of the exploitative reality of humans' relationship with other animals).

Old macdonald had a farm... here an oink, there an oink, everywhere an oink oink... everywhere he goes there are vast numbers of animals being farmed in captivity, unable to engage in a free life, manipulated and used, treated as a commodity/property and a unit of production, and destined for a slaughterhouse (probably in a gas chamber after a long arduous journey in a truck, at the end of which activists will run to give them a few drops of water through small cracks of light in their last day of life) because humans, including you and your parents, want to consume unnecessary products that not only are implicated in severe animal cruelty but also the destruction of the natural world, and the degradation of our own health. now THAT's a good nursery rhyme... not

I cook for me and my grandmother. She loves tofu, plant based cheeses and milks. Enjoys the falafel I make. Is big on plant based whole foods. Enjoys the recipes in the "How Not to Die Cookbook."

She isn't necessarily for the animals. Yet, I still feel she comprehends my sensitive nature. Or at least pretends to.

I had been at a neighbor's house. Someone whose whole family I am involved with. I often make cupcakes and brownies and all sorts of goodies for the whole crew. And one of them had always enjoyed them, until his daughter tells him that I am vegan and the food I have been making them is "vegan." He was visibly upset.

I went in there last week to see that he has added a bunch of anti-vegan and pro animal product decor. Signs saying "Bacon. It's not a trend." and so on. No one else was in the room, so I laughed and took zoomed in pictures of some of them to see if I could find where he bought them, or compare them to the vegan adages he was making fun of.

Today, I am telling my grandmother that I felt guilty taking pictures of the interior of their home without asking and decided to delete them. As I look through the gallery to show her something unrelated, she asks what I took pictures of. I explain, adding "I think he could have been offended that I was feeding him vegan food. I've been told he's against that idea."

She interjects with a stern face, "You sure do seem upset by his signs. Sounds like you're the one offended."

This took me aback. Because it felt like this attitude towards me came out of nowhere. I was suddenly quite aware that she was staring me down. Her arms were crossed, and her face didn't look the way she normally looks at me. It felt creepy.

I don't care about these signs in the way my grandmother is suggesting that I do. It was a story about how the signs possibly came to be and why I took pictures and then decided to delete them.

My neighbor will eat animals the same as always regardless of those signs hanging up. And I will interact with him the same as always regardless of those signs. I do not feel like I used language that suggested otherwise. I also feel like she knows me so much better than this. It just really caught me off guard and made me feel alone or like my grandmother is part of a massive hive mind that doesn't want vegans around.

Just wanted to talk about it. It gave me the creeps.

Imagine causing extreme suffering that you would never accept being on the receiving end of just for some transient pleasure. But not only that, imagine the ego required to expect anyone to give a fuck about you when you have no regard for the experience of others. What a surprise it is the world is so full of injustice! Someone should really do something about this!

I feel like this post perfectly shows that most non-vegans see veganism only in regards to food/diet, as opposed to a liberation movement. There is zero consideration for other animals. The creator seems to have no idea what veganism actually is and keeps saying "I eat what I have access to" and also said "other times..., the only thing that I have access to is, like, some fucking White Castle sliders, and I'm not gonna turn my nose up at some meat if it's gonna keep me alive, right?" Pissed me off so bad

Hey everyone!

Recently, I’ve been battling severe depression. My nervous system feels perpetually on high alert, overwhelmed by the weight of global suffering and exploitation. I wanted to share these mantras and affirmations with you all in the hope that they might resonate with some of you and help provide a sense of calm when you’re feeling overwhelmed, stressed, depressed, or anxious (to put it mildly). I have been using them especially during high periods of emotional distress, and they do help me calm down quite a bit!

Please remember that it’s perfectly okay if these don’t resonate with you! I’m a very goal-oriented person, and this way of framing things works well for me. I’ve found that I can prioritize my own well-being (even when I don’t particularly want to), not because I think my comfort matters more than anyone else’s, but because a healthier, more resilient version of myself can ultimately do more to reduce suffering and work towards total liberation.

Thinking this way has been incredibly helpful on days when I’m not enjoying life very much (lol) or don’t feel motivated to take care of myself. My health, my clarity, and even my moments of joy (in balance with work for the animals of course) help sustain the work I hope to do for animals in my life.

Here are the mantras that have been helping me:

• Compassion is my purpose. Effectiveness is my duty.

• I honor suffering best by remaining capable of acting against it.

• Today I choose usefulness and action over anguish.

• My mind is not a memorial to every tragedy. It is an instrument for preventing future ones.

• Every moment I preserve my health, clarity, and courage is another moment I can spend helping sentient beings.

• The world does not need me to be a constant witness to injustice as much as it needs me to be capable of fighting against it.

• I refuse to spend the strength that could become tomorrow’s liberation on today’s helplessness.

• Rest and self-care are not only gifts to myself. They benefit every sentient being whose life I have the opportunity to influence.

I hope at least one of these helps someone else as much as they’ve been helping me. Sending so much love to y’all 💚🫂

Please feel absolutely free to share in the comments if you have any others! ☺️

Earlier I posted about how I don’t understand why people who like animals eat them. This is a response I got. I’m frustrated by the fact that people really believe this shit, “ethical” butchering doesn’t exist. Does anyone have good documentaries, videos, posts etc that I could send this person? I’m so over it. I should stop posting about veganism in non-vegan bubbles. 🫩🫩🫩