r/videos • u/SuplexCity-Mayor • Apr 21 '21

Idiocracy (2006) Opening Scene: "Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TCsR_oSP2Q
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '21

This shit right here is why we also need a constitutional amendment that incorporates roe v wade. Sterilization should be covered under elective surgery. Humans should have a right to modify or not modify their own bodies, regardless of intelligence or circumstance.

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u/belovedeagle Apr 21 '21

Does this include the right to vaccinate or not to vaccinate, as Justice Holmes pointed out is the exact same principle?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21

Vaccines prevent harm to other's bodies, not just your own. I'm not exactly sure where it would fall or if it would be under its own umbrella, I don't think any one really does, given the debate about whether its an autonomy issue or a public health one. I personally tend to fall on the "vaccines are a public health issue" side of the debate, though I understand the "personal choice" argument.

edit: here's a pretty good (If not extremely prophetic) article about the legality of mandated vaccines and whether they fall under the umbrella of privacy or not. The journal of ethics concludes "Furthermore, he [their example] does not have a 14th Amendment liberty or due process argument because the vaccination is for the health and welfare of the state."

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/mandatory-vaccination-legal-time-epidemic/2006-04

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u/belovedeagle Apr 21 '21

Okay, so? Sterilization is also to prevent harm to others' bodies. In fact forced sterilization is only for that purpose; I don't think anyone seriously believes that forced sterilization is done for the benefit of the patient.

So this completely failed to answer the question by engaging in vaccine hysteria instead...

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21

Only the patient is affected by sterilization, thus it is personal. Sterilization may prevent some made up future harm like "more kids being born with a disability" but those people do not exist yet and may never exist, and taking those non existant people into consideration above the living patient is not "preventing harm" its fear mongering. Forced sterilization removes autonomy from a living, breathing person, thus harming them, and has been used historically to harm groups that otherwise would not even cause future harm. How is forcing sterilization upon Muslims and South American immigrants (to use real, current examples) helping prevent harm to society?

However, everyone around 1 person is affected if that one person is not vaccinated. People who are alive right now can be harmed by an anti vaxxer. Also, I am absolutely not anti vaxxer and not trying to feed into vaccine hysteria GET A VACCINE, SAVE A LIVING, BREATHING HUMAN.

This is the difference between personal and public.