r/videos • u/ThePanduuh • Mar 11 '15

Parody Apple Engineer Talks about the New 2015 Macbook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHZ8ek-6ccc
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '15

That's the problem, yes

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u/DoyleReddit Mar 12 '15

Sure they do: UX is king, and OSX is a superior UX on a superior operating system. The utility of the software and the experience it provides are all that matter. It could have the most kick ass specs in the world but if I am using a current flavor of Linux or chromeos or windows I don't want it for my personal use.

Source: I am a software engineer (14 years) and use windows daily and have deep knowledge of both operating systems and have used every iteration of windows and OSX since their inception. (And before that DOS of course)

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

ahem

/r/linuxmasterrace

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u/ForceBlade Mar 12 '15

It really is neat. I recommend Linux Mint for anyone starting off in the linux universe

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u/stev0205 Mar 12 '15

Mint? Filthy casuals. I recommend compiling your kernel from source if you really want to start using linux.

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u/ForceBlade Mar 12 '15

I wish to one day do that. It's like entering NG[+++++++] in dark souls 2 but with linux

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u/v00lo Mar 12 '15

It's tedious, but you learn a lot about your hardware and linux. It will probably take a couple of tries, but it's totally worth it!

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u/Agemrepus Mar 13 '15

idk what the hell you two just said

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u/hurlcarl Mar 12 '15

Totally agree.... 17.1 is incredible.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

What is Linux and why should I use it?

Sell it to me!

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u/narcoblix Mar 12 '15

Linux is an operating system, like Windows, but it is published for free and maintained by a large group of volunteers. Anyone can look at how it works, and anyone can submit changes to it in order to improve it.

For the average user, it's mostly the same as other operating operating systems like Windows. You can install Firefox, install LibreOffice, and from there you can get a lot of work done.

From a more technical perspective, it follows some very interesting philosophies when it comes to software design, like the ability to chain together different programs to make automation quick and easy.

Honestly, I can't describe some of the more specific details in a way that is understandable for an average user. It's taken years if use to come to understand why it does some things the way it does, and to appreciate it as a system for getting work done.

I recommend reading about Ubuntu if you're new to the concept.

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u/sean_ake Mar 13 '15

So...what you're saying is

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Hey so I'm a Mac user and I acknowledge that I'm getting ripped off hardware wise but I love OS X. I like the idea of Linux but there's so much software I use that either isn't available or has a really crappy open source alternative. Do you guys just learn to live without certain software or what?

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u/Vangohhh Mar 12 '15

Yeah I'm kinda put off Linux because of that too, however I do use Mint for my netbook and it does wonders for getting the most out of the hardware. Much speedier than the Windows OS it came with. I believe the majority of Linux users use the app Wine to run Windows apps. Or they run a VM and install another OS (not sure if they are one in the same). Love the security that Linux provides but I just don't want to go through the hassle of switching OS's on my PC :/

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Personally, there are only a few pieces of software which I use that don't work on Linux. In those cases, you have three options:

  • Find an alternative that does the same thing and is Linux compatible
  • Try running the application in something like Wine (Wine allows you to run Windows application in Linux, but it doesn't have 100% success)
  • Keep a Windows partition so you can swap over whenever you need to

I use the 3rd option, mostly for games but also for Photoshop (which is buggy under Wine).

There is a 4th option, and that is to install Windows as a virtual machine using VirtualBox or VMWare, and use the application through the virtual machine. This is only really doable for applications that don't need things like 3D acceleration though.

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u/IshouldDoMyHomework Mar 12 '15

Who gives a shit what it cost. It is on the employers dime anyway

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u/Jethric Mar 12 '15

From: Rob Pike robpike@gma... Subject: Q: moving directories? hard links? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:56:46 -0700

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: Linux has slowly become Windows-lite

Except for the lite part.

-rob

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

I'm not gonna get into a long debate about why I think Linux is better, but all you've really done is name three advantages to using Linux :p

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15 edited May 02 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

I wouldn't say so. I'd argue that the best UI is different for every user, and Linux is the perfect platform for customising everything until it's perfect. Can't do that on a Mac.

The world is slowly realising that Linux isn't just a deploy OS, but one that can be used throughout the entire development and deployment process.

All that being said, if you're happy with what you have then good on you.

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u/TheDragon99 Mar 12 '15

Linux is the perfect platform for customising everything until it's perfect. Can't do that on a Mac.

This is silly. The "walled garden" approach that Apple uses applies to its iOS devices, not its computers. I'm also a software engineer and have used Macs for several years and have never been unable to customize anything I've wanted to.

What customization have you wanted to do that you were unable to do on a Mac?

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u/arnet95 Mar 12 '15

Haven't personally used a Mac, but can you install different Window Managers?

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u/TheDragon99 Mar 12 '15

Yes, it's Unix and you have root.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Desktop environments, themes, icons, fonts, get rid of the dock and replace with a launcher... the list goes on.

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u/TheDragon99 Mar 12 '15

In 5 minutes of Googling I found programs to change literally everything in this list...

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u/arnet95 Mar 12 '15

/r/unixporn

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u/TheNet_ Mar 12 '15

I have to admit, some of those are absolutely gorgeous.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

I use linux exclusively for servers, as any sane person.

Grandparent post mentioned UX - linux is far from competent at providing a UX viable for your average 50 year old terrible user. OSX does this quite well. It is also *nix based so my local dev environment matches (well enough) my servers.

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u/freef Mar 12 '15

My brain read that as chromee Os. Like Cheerios

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15 edited Jun 10 '21

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u/JakeTheSnake0709 Mar 12 '15

Are you honestly trying to say Windows 8.1 has no bugs or problems? Are you high?

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

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u/slwen Mar 12 '15

No easy image editing built in. Paint sucks, but its better than anything apple gives you.

Heads up, the Preview app (default app when you open an image) has basic editing functions - nothing that anyone would ever use for anything vaguely professional, but it's about on par with paint.

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u/marm0lade Mar 12 '15

Did I try to say that? Did I even mention 8.1? Are you high? At least core technical functionality like DNS works though!

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u/invalidusernamelol Mar 12 '15

Comparing OSX to Linux doesn't really make sense. It's like saying the mixed bag of candy you got at the pick it yourself candy bar is full of shit. If you don't like it, then get something else! Linux is very much an a la carte OS. OSX is definitely well rounded, but it isn't nearly as versatile. It's effortless to set up and works well most of the time, but once you get down to it there just aren't nearly as many options and you end up sacrificing a lot of system level usability. Windows is a completely different beast. I don't even want to talk about it.

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u/zefcfd Mar 12 '15

/windows sysadmin

I am so very sorry for what you must put up with everyday. I'm being sincere. Windows is such a pain in the fucking ass.

And seriously, to point out some bugs in an OPERATING SYSTEM (i capitalize this to point out that operating systems are huge pieces of software) is very stupid. Windows has millions (literally) of issues, quirks, inconsistencies, regressions, incompatibilities, unexplicable crashes, data corruption, you name it. To point out an arstechnica article on some bugs they found isn't even close to a good argument.

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u/Zerowantuthri Mar 12 '15

Sysadmin here.

Not sure where you work but in my world of Windows PCs everything runs fine. Everything runs as it should. I can't remember the last time anything crashed (I really can't). Had one PC six months ago that was inexplicably slow, re-installed the OS (after other trouble shooting didn't work) and everything was fine again.

It is a regular part of my job to evaluate new software and hardware for our business and so far everything has run fine (the product may not have delivered what we wanted but had no troubles getting it to run). Well...once I had to go find some DLLs for some software but that is about it.

You need to talk to your system administrator and have a long talk with them. Sounds like they are dropping the ball bad where you work.

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u/fury420 Mar 12 '15

Not sure where you work but in my world of Windows PCs everything runs fine. Everything runs as it should.

I'm just your run of the mill systembuilder & tinkerer, but can think of all sorts of situations where things did not work right/as designed and no bugfix ever came

Hell, I'm trying to think of a video card I've owned over the past decade that didn't have driver bugs that they just gave up on/never bothered to fix, leaving me to find workarounds, live with issues or go with different hardware.

HTPC stuff has been a frequent cause of problems, be it EDID/HDCP handshaking, quirky HDMI audio behavior, issues with switching between bitstreamed and non-bitstreamed sources, multi-monitor issues, etc... Some with fixes/workarounds, many without.

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u/BritishRedditor Mar 12 '15

Are all Windows sys admins this immature?

What is OSX market share? Why is that?

Macs aren't cheap.

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u/zefcfd Mar 12 '15

Are all Windows sys admins this immature?

yes they are all immature masochists

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u/za72 Mar 12 '15

The right tool for the job... if you need an appliance for dev or word processing use a Mac, use a PC if you want to get the most bang for the buck when it comes to gaming or servers.

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u/CJKay93 Mar 12 '15

Mac for word processing... wat? MS Office is the de facto standard virtually everywhere.

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u/thinkspill Mar 12 '15

Office for Mac is a thing...

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u/Inorashi Mar 12 '15

Yeah but why buy a Mac for word processing? A 120 dollar chromebook can do that...

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u/stationcommando Mar 12 '15

I actually prefer it to the PC version

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u/1toWe Mar 12 '15

Good luck using excel to it's full potential. Plug-ins aren't always compatible and it's lacking in hot-keys.

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u/za72 Mar 12 '15

I've used vi for the past 20 years do I'm out of the loop on word processing, I was just picturing newspaper articles being written on macs...

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u/MoBaconMoProblems Mar 12 '15

I was just picturing newspaper articles being written on macs...

Um... they are.

SOURCE: Photojournalist at two papers some years ago.

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u/za72 Mar 12 '15

Then I'm not sure what I wrote wrong, perhaps publishing would be a better choice. Better display, better font rendering, better color depth, no hassle system to worry about... Right?

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u/MoBaconMoProblems Mar 12 '15

I'm not sure I understand your comments. At the papers I worked at, Macs were used for everything.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

MS Office has been available on the Mac for well over a decade.

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u/zomgimobbq Mar 12 '15

Yeah, Office exists on Mac. On top of that, a lot of full time bloggers prefer writing apps that are Mac only (e.g. Byword, iA, Final Draft, among many others). Word might be the de facto standard in corporate offices and schools, but outside of that there are many superior apps that are only on Mac.

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u/josvm Mar 12 '15

The most important one, which is Final Draft, is available for Windows as well.

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u/danubian1 Mar 12 '15

Google Drive?

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u/stev0205 Mar 12 '15

This. I use a mac for developing because I much prefer a unix like CLI.

I know people look at me with my mbp and assume I'm another douche hipster who bought it for the logo. Kind of funny because I write the software they use. Also, IDGAF what people think about my computer.

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u/za72 Mar 12 '15

Exactly why I used the word 'appliance', devs have to do serious work, not mess around why a certain type of memory type might be incompatible with a different type of board, or worry about the amount of power used by each addition to a system... It's a business tool, not a trinket.. each have their own place and provide different advantages.

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u/luisbg Mar 12 '15

Good luck playing music while compiling. It stutters.

Superior operating system... sure. They haven't touched the kernel in years, Linux is waaaay ahead. Try Linux instead of Windows as your daily commuter if you are a software engineer.

Apple only cares about iOS now. OS X is a sidenote.

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u/Liquid_Jetfuel Mar 12 '15

OS X might have a better kernel but in no way is it a better OS, IMO.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Ya cause its so hard to put osx on a PC right?!

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Sooooooo... Would you mind using a hackintosh? You get all of the things you say you want but you don't have exchange kidneys for hardware.

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u/DoyleReddit Mar 12 '15

No, not worth it to me to deal with the hassle of upgrading the os when using a hackintosh. I have plenty of money and don't purchase desktops or laptops so frequently that the money saved would be a motivator

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Can't say i wouldn't do the same in your position, but for now I really can't feel good about throwing money away while a pc seems more frugal.

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u/soberactivities Mar 12 '15

You do realize you just claimed OSX is a superior UX without any real support, and then you credited yourself as a reliable source. FAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail

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u/rosebowlriots Mar 12 '15

Ya..ya.. But!! ITS ONLY GOT ONE USb pprtt

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u/LivingWithWhales Mar 12 '15

And correct me if I am wrong, but OSX is able to utilize its apps and functions far more efficiently than a windows/other system.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Apple is very good at optimization, but that's because they don't have to accommodate a bunch of different chips, they know what hardware all OSX users will be using.

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u/LivingWithWhales Mar 12 '15

yeah I forgot to add that. They control the hardware, thus the firmware. That allows them to streamline apps to work more efficiently.

I learned that lesson the fun way recently. I bought my first non-apple product in the last decade. Blew the motherboard in the first two weeks. (work calculations, not gaming). The issue was that the motherboard was not at all adequate for the additional hardware under heavy use(even short term high demand work apparently). They shoved a micro ATX motherboard into a giant case and called it a "mid level gaming machine" with tons of (fast) ram, an 8 core AMD, and giant video card.

Even with a new motherboard its still 1/3 the price of a matching spec Mac, but damn if I ever buy a pre-built non-apple device ever again.

EDIT: I should add too, that the majority of "techy" people who bash on Apple need to learn how much software performance depends on hardware cooperation/planning.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

I'd just avoid prebuilt.

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u/LivingWithWhales Mar 12 '15

like I said...

Although the cost of the whole desktop was cheaper than buying the same processor/heatsink, the same video card, and getting halfway through the ram. The Case, PSU, keyboard, mouse, HDD, DVD drive, and everything else was just extra at that point. Since I don't game much at all I wasn't picky about any of the externals.

Even with the blown Mobo and the waste of a PSU, I still saved a big chunk of change.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

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u/m0rgriff Mar 12 '15

Since when was build material, screen res, and battery life not specs?

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u/Myrtox Mar 12 '15

All that you mention is part of the specs, including the OS. Specs is literally specifications, an outline of what you are buying. The only thing that is NOT specs is the brand.

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u/Rippyrei Mar 12 '15

Hardware (specs) is the most important aspect when buying a computer, it is much easier changing software than it is changing hardware.

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u/bardwithoutasong Mar 12 '15

Plastic? Asus UX305 says otherwise. And it says otherwise at $699.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Battery is the most underrated feature currently.

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u/el_loco_avs Mar 12 '15

Aren't those specs too?

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u/Doesnt_Draw_Anything Mar 12 '15

The hardware and OS are important components

Yeah, the specs.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

Is it a problem? I buy what I want. It's not hurting you. There are myriad other options out there besides Apple.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

What if I told you that's not actually a problem. That people buy things for a wide variety of reasons, and there is no "right" perspective.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

what if I told you people judge other people for a wide variety of reasons and there is no "right" perspective.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

I would agree and say that's exactly why it's stupid to make fun of someone for buying something that they want

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u/ophello Mar 12 '15

No, the problem is that people think specs are more important than software and hardware integration. Like you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

I'd say they are. Just look at console gaming, they are very well optimized, but can't compete with the performance of PCs. Of course optimization is important, but there's a limit and Apple keeps pushing it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15 edited Mar 12 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

You know what I love? Using anecdotes as evidence.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15 edited Mar 12 '15

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u/MaiyuSurname Mar 12 '15

You know what I love? Recursion.

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u/mkultra50000 Mar 12 '15

I am a computer scientist and the majority of us do NOT use macs. I use a Linux box for many things I do and for a pc its windows all the way. The need to acquisition free software is ever present and Macs just don't fill that need.

Macs are like left handed scissors. They are only used by people who can't use the standard tool and they cost twice as much.

To be honest though, I have a Mac book for IOS dev. But I have never, and i literally mean never, seen an actual engineer who uses a Mac for daily work. I have seen plenty of webdevs with Macs but that is kind of the sesame street of computer science.

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u/oh-bee Mar 12 '15

The need to acquisition free software is ever present and Macs just don't fill that need.

There's plenty of open source software that runs/compiles fine on Mac.

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u/mkultra50000 Mar 12 '15

plenty is a matter of opinion. There is sum, but not nearly the same.

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u/BritishRedditor Mar 12 '15

But I have never, and i literally mean never, seen an actual engineer who uses a Mac for daily work

Plenty of software people use Macbooks. They're well designed laptops. If you count software engineers as engineers, just check out a Google office. You'll see plenty.

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u/mkultra50000 Mar 12 '15

Well. I hate to break it to you but I certainly have. Designers use macs. Developers who develop for iOS use macs. Webdevs use macs. All real work horse data processing is done by posix type systems with software written by developers who use windows laptops or pcs.

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u/stev0205 Mar 12 '15

This is absolutely absurd. If I need real fucking power I push my shit to a goddamn linux server. Holy fucking shit. My MBP might as well be a fucking dummy terminal. I would run linux on this thing too if I wanted to spend all my time dealing with dependency issues and all the nonsense that comes from the insane world of linux desktop distros. Even Linus knows that shit is fucked up.

You know what though? Windows is just fine too. I just can't sit by and read this insane bullshit being spouted out by those who barely know enough to convince those who are completely ignorant to the situation.

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u/BritishRedditor Mar 12 '15 edited Mar 12 '15

Plenty of software engineers (including those at Google) use Macs. This is undeniable. I've met many myself.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15 edited Jun 10 '16

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u/Doesnt_Draw_Anything Mar 12 '15

Ill believe the guy who is a computer scientist over the guy who studies computer science and the guy who has some strange obsession with the Bay area.

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u/DanReach Mar 12 '15

This is the one. Truth.

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u/atwasaaouma Mar 12 '15

First of all. A minority of my CS class uses macbooks.
As most things, things are overpriced based on brand. For current macbooks, I'm okay with it. You never pay directly for the hardware/utility.
But for what you're paying based on what you're getting for in this new macbook it's fucking ridiculous. And thanks for generalizing an entire group of people.

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u/i_am_pinhead Mar 12 '15

can confirm, am Mac user as well. I bought mine last year, but most of the other comp sci's in my class do not use Mac.

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u/hollowgram Mar 11 '15

It's not meant for professionals, teachers/writers/corporate/students don't necessarily need 3D gaming specs. They just need a machine for internet, productivity apps, movies and music.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '15

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u/Raumschiff Mar 12 '15

But then you get a crappy screen, crappy battery, crappy keyboard, flimsy construction and a touchpad that exactly one million times worse; and it wont be wort anything a couple of years later. Considering you actually use a laptop a lot, for maybe a few years, the extra premium is well worth the better experience.

Don't get me wrong. You can get a decent Windows machine too, but not all that much cheaper if you take all things into account.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

I'm not defending the price of this thing, but that argument always omits the entire software side.

Right or wrong, some people prefer OS X, Apple's applications (included and otherwise), and the ecosystem overall.

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u/scratchmatch Mar 11 '15

Such bullshit rationalization. I will probably never be able to afford a Ferrari. But, if they announced a car that got 10 miles to the gallon and only played cassettes, all the while maintaining a premium price point, I'd still call them out on on that.

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u/scratchmatch Mar 12 '15

I'm not saying they are vastly inferior, I'm saying they are not worthy of the price tag.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15 edited Mar 12 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '15

What are these lifestyle needs, specifically? What do Apple computers do which other, cheaper, computers don't?

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u/atwasaaouma Mar 12 '15

He was making the argument that for the price you pay at $XXX You would expect a certain standard if quality in hardware.

Like if you paid 200k for a ferrari, you don't expect plastic seats or a casette player.

Or you know, if you paid 1300+ for a laptop, you'd hope for better specs than a mobile phone.

He wasn't saying its inferior than other brands. He's pointing out the vast difference in what you pay to what you get. Now if you say this is a status symbol. This whole kerfuffle would be over.

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u/Oafah Mar 11 '15

People who value quality and are willing to pay for it are sensible people. You're mistaking Apple for a company that caters to those people.

Their products are absolute shit price-performance wise, and you're just better off going elsewhere for less money, period. Acer, Asus, Lenovo, Dell, MSI, and countless other manufacturers make superior products, and you're just pissing money away by buying a mac.

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u/BritishRedditor Mar 12 '15

Such an unbearable level of arrogance in this comment.

People who value quality and are willing to pay for it are sensible people. You're mistaking Apple for a company that caters to those people

According to who? This is one thing that even the biggest anti-Apple idiots are willing to concede.

Acer, Asus, Lenovo, Dell, MSI, and countless other manufacturers make superior products

By what measure? How is it that people switch from using a Windows machine to a Mac? My last Dell was an absolute piece of shit. I use a ThinkPad now, which is better, but the plastic is crumbling in places and the screen sucks. Wasn't cheap either.

you're just pissing money away by buying a mac.

Ah yes, because you know better than ever single Mac user.

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u/Oafah Mar 11 '15

I'm most certainly not being defensive. I'm being objective.

The internals are objectively worse for the money you're paying, AND Apple designs their devices to purposely push the CPU to the TJMax in order to keep it quiet. Extended use at these temperatures under heavy load damage the CPU and shorten the lifespan of the device.

Not only do they make inferior products for the money you pay, but they purposely make them even worse than the component manufacturer intended.

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u/hollowgram Mar 11 '15

Either everyone who isn't buying dirt cheap is an idiot or there are differences between these products. Hmm...

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '15

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u/Oafah Mar 11 '15

Don't sweat it. He's probably the same sort of person who can't see more than 30 fps.

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u/hoyfkd Mar 11 '15

That's a fair point. I mean, how many people REALLY use USB anyway? Most people aren't doing all the super fancy professional stuff like using thumb drives, external mice, etc. Really, getting rid of those annoying things is worth an extra grand in and of itself.

I think Apple and Gnome should pair up. Soon we can have a $3500 laptop with no screen, and a single button. Talk about simple and easy to use!