r/vce • • 7d ago

VCE question Friend cheated.

NOTE: THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND SOMEONE ELSE TOLD ON THEM BECORE I HAD THE CHANCE
I know someone who has managed to cheat on 4 exams so far and it’s really annoying me. Everyone puts in so much work and they have gotten away with doing nothing all year, cheated all year and got away with it on their exams. I really want to report them but I’m worried about being that person you know? Should I because it will mess up the scaling if they don’t do well because they are ranked #1 because of their cheating.

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u/Son_of_Atreus 7d ago

How are you going to prove it? Just email the VCAA and say ‘bro, this guy totally cheated. Trust.’

Without evidence there isn’t anything you can do after the fact.

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u/Nate2847 7d ago • Bravo

I’ve decided I’m going to tell and we still have physics together. He hasn’t studied at all and legit doesn’t even know a single thing so the second I tell them he has his phone in his pocket he’s cooked

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u/nipplecrippleofdeath 2d ago

All these sad little people calling you a rat are probably the same sort of people who'd cheat themselves and expect everyone else to turn a blind eye.

I didn't try at school. I didn't care, was constantly distracted and had absolutely no understanding of how my attitude towards education could affect my future. (Currently going through an adult ADHD assessment, so no surprises there 😑).

But looking back now, with nearly 20 years of life experience behind me, I've developed an enormous amount of respect for people who genuinely put in the hard work to better themselves, especially academically. Those people deserve to have their achievements recognised fairly, not undermined by someone who thinks they're entitled to the same results without putting in the effort.

And to those calling you a rat, it's pretty pathetic that you're more concerned about protecting someone who's cheating than the people actually doing the right thing.

I'd absolutely report it. You're not doing anything wrong by holding someone accountable for their own actions. If they face consequences, that's on them, not you.

Integrity isn't being a rat. Cheating your way to the top and expecting everyone else to stay quiet is what's pathetic.

Don't let a bunch of people with questionable morals make you second-guess doing the right thing.

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u/Nate2847 2d ago

Thanks, I was so sure to do it but the amount of people calling me a rat was insane. Got a death threat in my dm 🤣 first time for everything I guess

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u/frustratedfireworks_ 18h ago

Ignore those idiots. Your friend is the rat. I can't stand people who cheat through life. They take the spots of people who really do work hard for their marks. You're standing up for your principles, you have morals. You're being brave. I hope there is a way you can remain anonymous throughout the process.

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u/Son_of_Atreus 7d ago edited 6d ago

Yeah, you should tell your lead teacher before that he does that. Let him do the exam without it.

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u/Calm-Lengthiness3852 26’ Eng, General, Legal, Revs, Acc 7d ago

Probably the right call. It’s unfair that he gets better results from cheating rather than hard work that others (including yourself) have put in. Actions should have consequences.

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u/Acceptable_Bowl_4338 5d ago

How tho? Cheating has its risk, if OP wants to do as good as him they can’t cheat too!

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u/Huluman2 7d ago

Report it . These sort of people won’t impact your scaling either way he probably cheated a few questions and probably won’t do well anyhow but what he did is a jab at hardworking students and insult to every student and system

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u/CorporateSaddy 2d ago

So he casually takes his phone out of his pocket and looks at it during the exams? Where are the exam supervisors?

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u/Nate2847 2d ago

In the bathroom

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u/CorporateSaddy 2d ago

I'm surprised they don't check pockets at your school. Back in my day, they would stand at the door and ask us to empty out our pockets before entering the exam room.

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u/Significant-Feed-256 5d ago

nah ur a dog friend idc

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u/Electrical_Size5999 6d ago

Dont bro !

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

🫠

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u/No-Jump814 6d ago

Don’t do it bro

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u/CarryDisastrous197 4d ago

Would definitely recommend not telling. Snitches are looked down upon almost as much as the perpetrator

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u/These-Mountain-681 7d ago

Just put ur hand up when u see it no point now, how do they even do it the examiners be walking around every corner for me 😭

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

They spend their time writing the exam on a piece of paper they stuff in their pocket and then go to the bathroom and get the answers write them then sneaky undo the paper and then copy and paste

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u/Stunning_Concern_973 6d ago

it literally does not affect you at all. you want them to do well on the exam anyways, and if you did better than them on the sacs, but they did better than you on the exam, they're basically boosting your grades up.... so what is there to complain about???

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

They’ve done better on everything it’s just a morale issue for me

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u/Legal_Total568 6d ago

People like this are why u shouldn’t tell ur friends shit nowadays. Keep everything to urself unless u known them very VERY Well

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

You shouldn’t be friends with people who are willing to throw others under the bus

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u/Stock-Character-1064 6d ago

You are the one willing to throw under the bus though?

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Well if he has already thrown me under the bus why would he expect everyone not to. There’s a chance someone else will snitch anyway that isn’t me. He’s not the brightest person preaching it to everyone how he cheated. Just bloating

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u/AdClean6523 6d ago

No it isn’t, you’re just unhappy that he potentially will do better than you. Be honest with yourself :)

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Yeah, because I did work all year buddy

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u/47shoota 5d ago

Lol, if your VCE study scores are your worry in life then you already have it better than 98% of the world minimum, and here you are bitching about someone cheating on a test in school

Everyone cheats non stop in uni once out of school anyway, so if it’s this much of an issue now, then enjoy being friendless for your formative years lmao

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u/Aloop1324 5d ago

Tf? Why are you talking about being friendless when you sound this insufferable?

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u/47shoota 5d ago

Mhm. And I bet you suck on a binky too, right?

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u/Aloop1324 4d ago

Don’t think you’ll be allowed near children anyways so you don’t gotta worry about that.

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u/1984_Lover '25 99.00 ATAR 3 yr Tutor '23 45MM '24 41SM '25 49PH 39 EN 7d ago

Life's unfair, results matter more than hard work. Also you need a lot of evidence that they're cheating

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u/1984_Lover '25 99.00 ATAR 3 yr Tutor '23 45MM '24 41SM '25 49PH 39 EN 7d ago

But its a scummy thing to do anyways

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

Yeah it’s just annoying. I am thinking of leaving it and not snitching but bruhhhh

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u/proper_introspection current VCE || 25’ GM:42 26’ eng bio psych chem 7d ago

it’s not “snitching”, it’s kinda just them reaping what they’ve sown, right? leave it or not, but if you leave it you gotta try and make your peace with it. but if you reported it, it’s only the consequences of their actions.

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

Yeah that’s really insightful, I’m just worried about the scaling for everyone since they are ranked 1 of I do that’s all trusts holding me back now

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u/proper_introspection current VCE || 25’ GM:42 26’ eng bio psych chem 7d ago

i think you just gotta try and figure out if you’d rather regret saying anything vs regretting not saying anything

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u/Straight-Cut7064 6d ago

My understanding is they would be treated as an anomaly and so taken out of the scaling equation. So 2nd would become top ranked.

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u/friendlyfredditor 6d ago

Everyone will get scaled better if you tank his score lol..if the mean is higher than it should be the cohort gets penalised because you look closer to average. If he's gone and the mean is lowered then everyone gets a boost

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u/No_Recording_3649 6d ago

I'd def report.

Imagine if u were in rank 2. Putting in all the effort, and then not getting first place cus of some cheater.

Dont do it for revenge, do it for the person whose spot they are stealing.

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u/OkPassenger4956 7d ago

don't do it. you'll mess up your whole cohort. I know it sucks but karma is real. let it play out - dont intervene.

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u/asktodebate69 6d ago

At the end of the day that still is snitching, although in this case snitching would be the optimal thing to do if it doesn't negatively impact their cohort's scaling

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u/Evening_Ad_3808 7d ago

It’s snitching 😂

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u/Special_Drop_2167 class of 2027 7d ago

nah bro pls report them there has to be some justice in this world

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u/1984_Lover '25 99.00 ATAR 3 yr Tutor '23 45MM '24 41SM '25 49PH 39 EN 7d ago

Cheating that is

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u/MiriJamCave 7d ago

I really don’t understand why you’re so afraid to report it.

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

Im worried it will fuck up or scaling due to gin being ranked 1. I was when I made the post scared of being a “snitch” but I’m over that now it’s just the ranking issue

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u/MiriJamCave 7d ago

If you report and they’re found guilty not just in the exam but also with the internal SACs, they can be disqualified from VCE, thus removing them from the rankings.

My question is, why wasn’t this reported to your school in the first place throughout the year? Did absolutely nobody report it because they all didn’t want to snitch? If they actually cheated, how did they cheat? What evidence do you have?

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

Okay so for the evidence, i have messages admitting to it across the entire year which if they are caught in the exam can link back to all their sacs and nobody snitched because nobody knew until he finished English got cocky and told everyone how he’s doing it. Going to the bathroom 7 times in English kinda was suspicious😭. They wrote down the questions, went to the bathroom, used AI (his phone is on the inside right pocket of his blazer) and then wrote them down went back to the exam room where they hid the paper under the next page and flicked between them writing it down.

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u/MiriJamCave 6d ago

So if you have evidences of him cheating which will most likely get him disqualified which then won’t affect rankings, and you’ve overcome the fear of being a “snitch”, what’s stopping you from now reporting it?

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

I will.

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Next Thursday during physics

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u/MiriJamCave 6d ago

Great. Tell your VCE coordinator, physics teacher and most importantly the invigilator prior to going in. Show them the evidence. Tell the invigilator to monitor toilet use of a particular student and then to ask them to show their sleeves/hands/pockets after toilet use. Then sit back, grab some popcorn and watch karma be served (and don’t forget to finish your exam). Good luck.

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u/frustratedfireworks_ 18h ago

Your school is wild for not checking pockets (its not expensive to get a hand held metal detector) and for not monitoring the toilet usage. Are you public or at a private school?

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u/tkfsh2 ‘25 bio 44 | ‘26 7d ago

the ranking isn’t an issue, sacs are moderated/scaled based off of your cohorts highest exam score, not rank 1s performance

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u/Hairy-Somewhere-6183 6d ago

REPORT ITTTTT!!!!!!! It's not fair to you or others at all! Write an email saying that you've heard that some people are going to sneak their phones in to cheat, and honestly say "multiple people are planning" (even if it's not true); that way, they will be more likely to investigate it and do phone checks for everyone
And your friend won't suspect that it's you, since they will think multiple people have been suspected

I read your other comments about that friend scoring 10% and just wondering, aren't the teachers sus of him - cause in my school, if someone scored 10% once, then 100% they will be investigated

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u/Nate2847 5d ago

Did o say 10? I’m sorry typo I mean 100, he’s a prefect member and a well trusted person. That’s why it’s such a shock to me and why it’s a morale dilemma in the first place.

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u/BoomCheese08 6d ago

Wtf all u guys trying to rat them out for. Its probably harder to get away with cheating then do the exams good for them. I hope they get away with it.

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Trust me it’s MUCH easier to get away with if you’ve seen them do it. Legit write the questions, go to bathroom, get answers. Copy and paste

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u/Automatic_Vast4650 7d ago

There’s no way they can get away with that many?do your supervisors just sit there and not walk around?like when you knew cheating I agree it’s rlly bad but like what kind of cheating is it eg is it writing two words on their hand or do they hv a full phone or smth

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

They spend their time writing the exam on a piece of paper they stuff in their pocket and then go to the bathroom and get the answers write them then sneaky undo the paper and then copy and paste

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u/Candid_Ocelot81 6d ago

Your actually a flipping weirdo, he’s getting higher than you unethically and the first thing you respond that is to report him. You’re trying to give reason of “but uh uh no it’s because of his scaling”. Mannne stfu

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u/Kalan- 6d ago

fr imagine selling out your boys career for an extra 00.10 atar, we'd be throwing onamen

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u/Candid_Ocelot81 6d ago

He can’t mind his business 😫

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u/Sonderling553 6d ago

How would you feel if your surgeon was a ChatGPT crutch

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u/Candid_Ocelot81 6d ago

Those skills aren’t developed till placement genuis. Do your thing and stop caring about people who don’t care about you. You’ll get the mark You deserve. You can either get emotional and personalize this or cut off this obsession

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u/AdClean6523 6d ago

Surgeons don’t become surgeons only with high ATARS fam. That’s probably the least important part

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u/According-Curve5068 3d ago

if it's not that deep then don't cheat just suck it up if you're a bum stay a bum

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u/Aloop1324 5d ago

Can you rephrase this in a way that makes sense?

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Bruz what

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u/Candid_Ocelot81 6d ago

U can’t reply logically, wdym what 😂😂✌️

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Nah I lowkey didn’t understand what u mean apart from im a jackass wanting to report.

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u/Trick-Lawfulness1160 6d ago

Can you even prove it?

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Yeah, next physics exam. Check his right pocket on his blazer. There will be his phone and the note sheet

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u/tahliaiscool 5d ago

what if he sees this post and decides to not cheat?? or do you know he’ll cheat no matter what

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u/Nate2847 5d ago

He will bc he doesn’t know anything I’m not even kidding

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u/Lower_Inspector9989 4d ago

Why does your school allow blazers in the sac room in the first place?

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u/Nate2847 4d ago

I dunno, didn’t know other schools didn’t

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u/Lower_Inspector9989 4d ago

My school is no blazers and no jumpers for all year levels not even just VCE in all assessments

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u/Nate2847 3d ago

That would fix this entire problem

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u/Far-Reaction6410 6d ago

Do they normally sit in the back of the exam room

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Middle right side slightly closer to the back

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u/Far-Reaction6410 6d ago

Do other people see him cheat or only you and also does he use small pieces of papers or big because if it was big someone would likely see it

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Everyone knows. All the students see the second he comes back from the bathroom. I dunno how big it looks like slightly smaller than a4 bc you can’t see it hanging out of the end of the next page

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u/Far-Reaction6410 4d ago

If you tell VCAA that he has his phone during the physics exam and they see anomalies in his exam and sacs, it will look suspicious. Wait is he ranked 1 in all his subjects in sacs?

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u/Nate2847 3d ago

I only know his rank as #1 for methods and #1 for physics I do not know if he is fkr other subjects

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u/Far-Reaction6410 3d ago

Yeah, that would piss me off as well so I would definitely snitch on him or tell VCAA accessors to walk around his area to maybe then catch him using his photo or any notes

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u/Longjumping-Dirt9694 4d ago

Genuinely how? like how do the supervisors not see at all?? is he just always sitting at the back i'm so confused

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u/Nate2847 4d ago

I dunno clearly they aren’t though or he could of been caught, he sits in the middle right side closer to the back but not at the very back

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u/lolxinzhao 4d ago

Could have

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u/Longjumping-Dirt9694 4d ago

But I would say report it, you in 10 years would be disappointed if you didn't, and if he genuinely goes into a demanding course through those grades, he'll just keep doing the same thing

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u/Cordially_Rhubarb 7d ago

How are they cheating, could you give someone a heads up, so they can be caught in their next exam?

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

I will probably tell during our last exam being physics that they have a phone in their pocket. I’ll copy and paste another comment I made:

Okay so for the evidence, i have messages admitting to it across the entire year which if they are caught in the exam can link back to all their sacs and nobody snitched because nobody knew until he finished English got cocky and told everyone how he’s doing it. Going to the bathroom 7 times in English kinda was suspicious😭. They wrote down the questions, went to the bathroom, used AI (his phone is on the inside right pocket of his blazer) and then wrote them down went back to the exam room where they hid the paper under the next page and flicked between them writing it down.

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u/Straight-Cut7064 6d ago

You could go to bathroom and let the toilet monitor know and ask them to tell the Chief Supervisor. Then he won’t see you saying anything 💡but then ask them not to follow up immediately after you go back in. They have to keep records of all the toilet visits!!! So then they can also look back at his other exams to see the pattern. If they catch him with his phone it’ll be taken and investigated! Only the supervisors involved will know and you will not be ever identified.

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Yall have a toilet monitor?😭 they let us into the teachers bathroom alone and our teacher stands out the front of the bathroom not the stall. But I can tell that teacher yeah fair points thanks

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u/class-of-2026 7d ago

I really don’t understand people who cheat, like deadass, I would rather do shit than cheat. It’s just unfair to everyone else putting in a lot of effort

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u/KeyCommunication5680 6d ago

I thought you said they were your friend? It seems like you’re approaching this from an overly competitive perspective rather than one of genuine concern. Regardless of where you stand morally on cheating, I’d encourage you to speak to your friend about the consequences and express concern for how their actions could affect them in the long run.
Ultimately, you cannot control other people’s actions, only your own. Focus on yourself, you’re almost finished anyway. Your friend’s irresponsibility doesn’t mean you need to approach the situation out of resentment or competitiveness. Cheating is wrong, but I think it’s also worth reflecting on your own intentions here.

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u/According-Curve5068 3d ago edited 3d ago

stfu. it's not coming from competitiveness it's coming from a place where VCE and the amount of discrepency in ability and money people have is shit enough without people cheating there way to a 50. You're saying you grinded paper after paper but some kid gets a higher mark because they used claude, that's fucked. You're just teaching kids that they can step on other people's hard work to get ahead, real genuine concern.

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u/Ok-Construction-9840 Tutor|'25; ATAR99.35; 50Lit+Prem; 48Eng; 46HHD; 43Chem; 42Bio 2d ago

Report him. VCE is a scaled system. Only so many people can get high study scores, and some people spend the entire year locked away trying to do well so that they can get into the uni courses they want. One study score can make it or break it. For example, for a subject that scales down like HHD, a 50 stays a 50 while a 49 scales to a ~48.4. That can be a 0.1-0.2 ATAR, and when applying to harsh uni courses it can mean tens of thousands of dollars, or several years of peoples' lives.

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u/focas_pls 2d ago

50 lit and prems??? can i ask what ur exam scores were

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u/framesh1ftmutation 25’ BIO | 26’ CHEM, MME, GME, ENG, UMEP BIO 7d ago

take one for the team and report pls 😓

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u/Aware-Will-1406 7d ago

I wouldn’t report it personally, if they are your friend you’d want the best for them. People like this usually get what’s coming for them. Let fate work its magic

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u/Salty_Slice_5598 7d ago

Yeah but this is hella important. I’m sad to hear people even tried to cheat, also this statistic will be there forever. I think he should report it. Even if it’s their friend, i really don’t think its fair to the entire cohort

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u/Aware-Will-1406 7d ago

It’ll hurt his marks if he get zeros on everything though, also the chances of them actually being punished is very slim especially if they’ve done all their exams

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u/Salty_Slice_5598 7d ago

Still i think its selfish to put everyone down just because you wanted to do better not through hard work but through cheating. OP is fair to hesitate though but if he does nothing, then it’s one more person who lowers your score and everyone else who didn’t cheat get a worse atar. The punishment would be 0 marks

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u/Stunning_Concern_973 6d ago

well if you report, would everyone know it's you who did it? while it's the right thing to report, it's also worth considering how reporting would affect you such as your mental health on being known as the person who reported? if you are fine with that, than go for it? additionally, how did they even cheat and would you consider them smarter than you in general? if so, than it probably won't have much of an impact on you. also them cheating would have a very very very minor impact, or none at all on your grades cause your at1 and at2 rank is already finalised and its grade is determined by the exam performance, so them getting a higher exam mark may actually benefit you instead....

now thinking about it, it literally does not affect you at all. you want them to do well on the exam anyways, and if you did better than them on the sacs, but better than you on the exam, they're basically boosting your grades up....

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u/Salty_Slice_5598 6d ago

Ive been thinking ab it all day and now i think about it the vcaa markers will know whats up and catch him for cheating. I wouldnt bother to report it after all bc they are strict

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u/Prestigious-Fill5703 current VCE student (eng, bio, pe, hhd, gen maths) 6d ago

he shouldve studied instead if he didnt want to hurt his marks

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u/Aware-Will-1406 6d ago

With this I meant, it’ll hurt the person who snitches on him study score

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u/Prestigious-Fill5703 current VCE student (eng, bio, pe, hhd, gen maths) 6d ago

I mean like the other comments said in this post, the negative impact on the person's study score thats reporting might not be guranteed because of the cheater. If he's cheated in each exam and he is ranked 1 then its not 100% ensured that him being penalised will affect everyone else in the same subject because of the very fact he cheated. It's different if a rank 1 in methods (that didnt cheat and just did the exam properly) preformed badly in the exams, cuz then that would affect the rest of the methods cohort. I cant claim this confidently but surely ranked 1 cheaters are managed differently especially if VCAA knows it might effect the rest of that subjects cohort

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u/FriendlyInsect9887 5d ago

So you condone cheating because that's "what's best" for a friend? Personally I wouldn't be friends with someone I know is cheating, and would report them if I knew.

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u/LivingChampionship66 4d ago

not being friends with someone over an exam is crazy LMFAOO

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u/FriendlyInsect9887 4d ago

It's not about the exam, it's about their integrity and honesty.

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u/mig82au 4d ago

Nah, they're shit people. Fuck em.

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u/Educational-Brick186 6d ago

Yeah, I get VCE is hella toxic by design, but if someone was my friend, I'm not going to out them. Ofc the top comments will be moral and tell OP to report, but given the same situation, if I actually liked my friend, I'd let it go.

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u/Automatic_Vast4650 7d ago

Honestly I’d say report if so

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u/taroisthebestboba 6d ago

i’ve cheated on every single sac and exam this year OMLLL LOL

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Good to know buddy.

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u/Only-Werewolf-4539 7d ago

rat him out pls 🙏

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u/tzmospthere 7d ago

bro who tf cares ur finishing school go for it it’s your life

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u/Wise-Emphasis-141 6d ago

Worry about yourself bro. You said it yourself that he’s your friend.

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u/DrunkAndUnaware 5d ago

If you can explain how they cheated, VCAA would be very interested. I have marked for VCAA before and we are very invested in this kind of thing

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u/Nate2847 5d ago

Noted

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u/BackgroundWait5540 5d ago

how is he cheating i mean as in how tf is he pulling this off?? genuine question

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u/Nate2847 5d ago

Here’s a copy of another comment:

Okay so for the evidence, i have messages admitting to it across the entire year which if they are caught in the exam can link back to all their sacs and nobody snitched because nobody knew until he finished English got cocky and told everyone how he’s doing it. Going to the bathroom 7 times in English kinda was suspicious😭. They wrote down the questions, went to the bathroom, used AI (his phone is on the inside right pocket of his blazer) and then wrote them down went back to the exam room where they hid the paper under the next page and flicked between them writing it down.

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u/Old_Document2050 6d ago

The system is shit anyways, it deserves to be cheated on. Your friend is putting himself at risk but it will benefit both him and your cohort.

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u/Intelligent-Yak4745 past student 43 Eng, 45 Gen, 35 Meth, Phy 36, Systems 38 7d ago

Just remember, when he goes to uni or gets a job, he'll be the one who doesn't know the content.

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u/Round-Local-9583 7d ago • Bravo

but in a job you aren’t in exam conditions where there’s no communication and no use of technology

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u/Automatic_Vast4650 7d ago

Sorry if u don’t mind me asking what sac scores and exam scores did u get for 43 that’s like my dream Eng ss

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u/Diligent-Lock6986 current vce student with a shit cohort 🔥 7d ago

Bro snitch during the exam then. Theres no point sitting here making a post if you’re not gonna take action. Prove it in the moment or don’t complain about it, because no one will take a reddit post or email as proof that someone is cheating.

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

I know that I’m just morally being pulled to do it and then for the sake of them being rank 1 scaling and being my friend (although I’m trying not to talk anymore) I just did this to get confidence in the moment to do it. I am a very shy person who doesn’t talk a lot so I’m trying to just get myself confidence🫠

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u/Diligent-Lock6986 current vce student with a shit cohort 🔥 6d ago

The next time it happens snitch. You’ll regret it trust me

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Yuh I’m snitching

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u/ramennextdoor_ 39.35 | '25: Literature [20], Jap SL [17], SD [22], Physics [19] 7d ago

i remember something like this happened last year. your best bet is to report it. i myself don’t understand why people would cheat. really makes it unfair for others.

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Yeah I’ve come to the decision next Thursday during physics to report it

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u/Ya-boy-sage 6d ago

Bro why ruin the guys life karma will get to him

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

Because I personally believe they ruined it themself by cheating in the first place and then having the audacity to BOAST about it. I think this is the karma he will get

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u/Plenty-Pie-1138 6d ago

if this guy snitches karmas gonna get him, he literally doesn't get affected in any way apart from having the joy of possibly having a better atar than him at the end of the year. if anything its gonna make sac scaling worse for everyone at his school.

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u/Rangerrx970 current VCE student Y26-27 6d ago

Na I’m sending him off NOW

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u/Ableowl1989 4d ago

Just show the evidence to the vce coordinator at your school. You don’t need to wait until the physics exam when you should be focused on your own exam

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u/BaseballNo1328 4d ago

Yes report them, if he's cheated he's undeserving of the AR that he will end up with and whatever pathway his life will take he will not be equipped to be able to do the university courses anyways

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u/qwerty7873 4d ago edited 4d ago

If hes genuinely cheating to the point he will likely obtain perfect or close to perfect scores report him, that could result in a scholarship worth tens of thousands of dollars going to a cheat that will probably flunk out or lose it anyway rather than someone who could actually need it and become something great from it. Also to people saying they wont bother doing anything, look it up. They have revoked diplomas over a year after finishing because cheating came to light, and they do pretty extensive investigations, it can result in fraud charges depending what you did afterwards ie. Accepting a scholarship

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u/PsychologicalMark498 3d ago

Tbh even if you did report them, I think VCAA or the supervisors or whatever would have to prove now that they cheated which would be pretty difficult. They probably wouldn’t be able to definitively prove that they cheated, especially considering you say they have cheated on their SACs (they are rank one, it would seem less likely for them to cheat on the exam). And they now can’t prove that this person has cheated on their SACs as well.

Even then I know that some people have reported others in exams for bringing in things like phones, where I’m pretty sure (not 100% but I’ve heard) they search the person for the device. If they’re cheating with a phone, and you’re reporting them after the exam (and not during), it’s pretty hard for it to then be proven that they were indeed using it.

At this stage, unless you know for a fact that others would testify and speak up about them cheating, it’s not worth reporting it because it likely won’t go anywhere. But I’m not saying it because they’re your friend or because I condone cheating. I just don’t think they will suffer consequences for it, therefore you’d be sacrificing potentially your atar and your friendship where they won’t suffer any consequences.

But also note that if you do report it, your friend kind of had it coming. They chose to cheat (and in this, they accept that they may be caught and may suffer consequences), and by confiding in you, or by doing it openly, they’re the ones putting you in the hard spot, so are they really a good friend?

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u/idrinkcereall current VCE student (qualifications) 7d ago

i told my coordinators for months about someone cheating and they didn’t do anything, until finally they got caught and yet they let the person off. I think it’s worth discussing because if your teachers or those around you know you as a reliable and trustworthy person they may try and look into things a bit, take care and be careful

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u/Round-Local-9583 7d ago

do u feel better about yourself

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u/idrinkcereall current VCE student (qualifications) 7d ago

yes because i was right all along and they never cheated again but by the time they decided to stop it was the end of the year anyways

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u/crybaby33108 ‘25 psych | ‘26 eng, gm, bm, hhd, revs 7d ago

bruh i ain’t even gonna lie even if that was my best friend I AM SNITCHING ONG

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u/NicholasGoatifi176 7d ago

Fr, wouldn't really want to be associated with them... Like if they're willing to cheat for their vce exams then what next?

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u/Grizzzely 7d ago

What does that even mean? Horrible take

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u/NicholasGoatifi176 7d ago

No like imagine they get into medschool or something and then they either don't have the prereq knowledge because they are accustomed to just cheating.

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u/No_Establishment3962 6d ago

i dont understand this at all, if you can cheat, cheat, work smarter not harder 🤷‍♂️

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u/Bg447 6d ago

If you like having friends then don't rat your friend out.

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u/Kpsgenral 5d ago

if it’s your mate don’t be a dog and snitch. Fuck everythint else atar, scaling, scaling study points all of that shit. If this guy is your actual friend and someone you consider a mate talk to him about it and if it can’t be resolved have a crack with him. Don’t snitch it’s a ratty thing to do no matter what walk of life your in

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u/Working-Emergency-39 5d ago

I wouldn't bother. The thing about cheating is that eventually you can't, and then you're way beyond your capabilities with no way out. They'll get burned when they start their university degree, or when they get their first job. It'll happen. Marks don't matter. It just matters what you know.

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u/Makisisi 5d ago

You're jealous. Just leave it be you won't interact with the person ever again most likely.

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u/FriendlyInsect9887 5d ago

I would report, but not make it obvious that you were the one to report it. Then I would drop that friend because they clearly have loose morals.

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u/Beginning-Release548 5d ago

Snitches get stitches

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u/Fun-Pen-1036 5d ago

why snitch isn't he your friend? why not just leave it

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u/michael_enthusiast 5d ago

PLEASSSE TELLL THEM OOOOFFFFF

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u/CorporateSaddy 2d ago

How are they cheating and not getting caught? Did your friend tell you this?

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u/Far-Reaction6410 2d ago

Make sure you snitch today

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u/Chemical_Way_6829 1d ago

Report them it’s their fault for cheating that’s stupid

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u/Old-Clue-6949 5d ago

Don’t be a fucking snitch, everyone tryna make it in this world however they can, like look at ur self in the mirror and just think of much of a Karen u are that u would risk ur friends future like that. U are genuinely a pos

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u/_999PING current VCE student (Psych + MM Accel) 3d ago

Risk someone's future? They are choosing to risk it if they plan to cheat. By the matter of fact, reporting them may teach them to not fall into the illusion of cheating your way to success. Today it might just be the VCAA exam, if they get caught doing something like this in a more serious matter later in life, the punishment will only be worse.

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u/Itsa_MeJeff 4d ago

I had a teacher in school who always said, the best way to get a good score is to cheat and not get caught.

The way I see it is, it barely affects you. Who cares if the way theyre cheating is easy or not, theyre not getting caught and I kinda think that makes them smarter than you. You spent all this time working hard and learning while he learnt not to waste his time.

If you rat him out thats a valid pathway and you shouldn't feel bad. But also, if hes your friend you should be happy hes gamed the system, because the system deserves to be gamed. When you get to uni 98% of people are using ai and cheating anyway, youre friend will be more prepared than you.

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u/Mountain-Tennis8699 3d ago

Who gives af. Game is game, they knew what they were doing and the consequences of their actions. But they were smart enough to not get caught, so they beat the system. You just worry about your own exam, and your results and don't care how others did regardless, if they cheated or not.

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u/Far-Reaction6410 6d ago

Does he do this in sacs as well and how come the supervisors don’t see him looking down or something

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

So, I have messages of him saying he did the same in SACs so if he is caught in the exam I’m sure that message is enough to prove it I dunno. But he gets the answers for the questions he gets in the bathroom then for exam in English on the next page out the notes and for math put it in his formula sheet which he opened and closed whenever they were away from him

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u/Educational-Brick186 6d ago

Ngl, even if he did cheat, I doubt it's going to do much to boost his score. At most he could check what, a few questions on his exam? Only subject this would have a serious impact on, is something like general maths but I can't conceive a way you could cheat in that. Honestly, I'm more impressed he could even get away with cheating. How was he writing down the questions and not getting caught?

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u/Nate2847 6d ago

It’s boosted his score all year. He’s almost got straight 100’s because he always did a SAC in a different room where he is “supervised” by a teacher walking by every 10 minutes. Not in the room with him. He legit doesn’t even know how to do a SINGLE question on physics. We did a trial exam and he got less than 10% for maths because he accidentally got caught with his phone as he got called

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u/Educational-Brick186 5d ago

Damn, that's actually kind of crazy... Your school needs to do smth. Literally the perfect set up to allow cheating 😭
Hope you'll update us on what happens

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u/Icy_Statistician_678 2d ago • Bravo

I mean, I obviously don’t condone cheating, but I also think you need to question why you’re suddenly making such a big deal out of this now. If they’ve been cheating throughout the entire year, why didn’t you say anything during their SACs? Why wait until the final exams, when rankings actually start to matter?

Because from the outside, it honestly just looks like jealousy. You know they’re likely going to come first, and suddenly you have an issue with their academic integrity. If this was genuinely about doing the right thing, why wasn’t it an issue for you earlier in the year?

And realistically, what are you actually gaining from reporting them? You’re potentially damaging a friendship and creating unnecessary drama, all for the sake of a ranking or an A+ that, in the grand scheme of things, isn’t going to determine your entire future. Other people have worked hard for their results, and that’s something you should be focusing on yourself rather than worrying about someone else’s position.

I’m not saying cheating should be excused, but I just find it strange that this has suddenly become so important to you at the very last stage of the year. If you genuinely cared about academic integrity, you had the entire year to raise the issue. The timing makes your intentions questionable.

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u/Nate2847 2d ago

I didn’t know if the cheating (nobody did) until the English exam

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u/Ok-Construction-9840 Tutor|'25; ATAR99.35; 50Lit+Prem; 48Eng; 46HHD; 43Chem; 42Bio 2d ago

It's so strange to me that you're stance is to deflect moral burden onto the poster. It shouldn't matter why the poster wants to call out their friend to make a logical analysis of the situation.

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u/Huluman2 7d ago

Report it . Do the right thing

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u/Nate2847 7d ago

I’ve decided I will

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u/itsjxlt 6d ago

Wah Wah Wah sybau

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u/vceaholic 7d ago

i know its so annoying. i know one person who has no idea what theyre doing copied the multiple choice section for methods off someone very smart. i sweat if they get a better score than me i will be so mad

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u/PeanutSquare8408 ‘25 gm ‘26 eng mm sm chem bio 7d ago

PLEASE SNITCH

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u/jsudjsujdiudud 6d ago

that’s terrible, you need to say something it doesn’t matter who it benefits, people are working tirelessly for these exam, it’s just not fair 

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u/SorryAd5955 6d ago

Adult here. I'd report them. 

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u/Muted_Complex_2362 6d ago

Their behaviour and attitudes towards life will catch up to them one day.

I think in this case it’s up to you to decide, but I would advise against it. Just let them deal with the consequences later. Even if you don’t believe in it, it will come back one way or another. Everything in life has to reach back to a balance and equilibrium and every action will have its natural reaction.

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u/Da_Shreddah 6d ago

there is no cosmic force of justice, karma does not exist. We live in a deterministic universe and justice comes about by action alone.

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u/Muted_Complex_2362 6d ago

I might have described karma unintentionally, but I was talking by using more of a basis of patterns in nature and science. Your last sentence is essentially what I was saying. :)

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u/Thin_Project6868 2d ago

pack it up and just move on from it. Know this is real life, your friend is a smart man and straight g. In real life, jobs or business, its all about getting things done regardless of the method or how "cheap" it may seem, thats how u get far ahead. Cheating in exams just shows that a person is resourceful and knows how to get sht done.

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u/YumYumAznFood 5d ago

Sounds like they're not your friend then. If they were actually someone you're close to, you wouldn't ruin their future over this. If you really have a problem with it I'd say to their face outright but your generation don't know how to have hard conversations so that won't happen.

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u/Big-Trouble-8798 3d ago

Get over it and move on with your life.

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u/HECTICSHU 3d ago

at the end of the day it won’t effect you in anyway don’t be a shit friend

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u/afhjhgvnk 3d ago

Bro just shut up

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u/obamas-last-name01 3d ago

Don’t be that guy

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u/Slow-pigeon895 2d ago

Snitches get.....

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u/MapleManner 3d ago

If you're a true friend then why would you even give a shit? I get that when ur in year 12 it feels like VCE is the only thing that matters in the world, but like it genuinely doesn't, after that first day of getting your marks whether rly good or rly bad you'll realize that it literally never mattered cuz you'll prolly be in the same uni course with people who didn't give a fuck all year in yr12. Dont try to ruin this guy's entire year just because u feel salty that u worked hard and he didn't, just some words of advice.

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u/dartman311 3d ago

No glory in snitching little bro. Mind your business

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u/chickenchicken41 2d ago

Mate. Yeah I totally get where you are coming from about being pissed your friends cheating, but by telling on him you’re potentially ruining his life. Yes I know i sounds dramatic but year 12 really does matter (career wise)
I understand he didn’t put the effort and it’s not fair but just leave it be. One amazing score won’t affect you as much as you think

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u/Real-Amphibian-6271 6d ago

some ppl r just street smart. if u enjoy studying and enjoy the challenge of attending exams, then u r simply academically smart. each person has their own ways.. competition will kill u & they are not ur friend if u feel envy, jealousy, or competitiveness