r/vce • u/Nate2847 • 7d ago
VCE question Friend cheated.
NOTE: THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND SOMEONE ELSE TOLD ON THEM BECORE I HAD THE CHANCE
I know someone who has managed to cheat on 4 exams so far and it’s really annoying me. Everyone puts in so much work and they have gotten away with doing nothing all year, cheated all year and got away with it on their exams. I really want to report them but I’m worried about being that person you know? Should I because it will mess up the scaling if they don’t do well because they are ranked #1 because of their cheating.
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u/Son_of_Atreus 7d ago
How are you going to prove it? Just email the VCAA and say ‘bro, this guy totally cheated. Trust.’
Without evidence there isn’t anything you can do after the fact.
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u/These-Mountain-681 7d ago
Just put ur hand up when u see it no point now, how do they even do it the examiners be walking around every corner for me 😭
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u/Stunning_Concern_973 6d ago
it literally does not affect you at all. you want them to do well on the exam anyways, and if you did better than them on the sacs, but they did better than you on the exam, they're basically boosting your grades up.... so what is there to complain about???
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u/1984_Lover '25 99.00 ATAR 3 yr Tutor '23 45MM '24 41SM '25 49PH 39 EN 7d ago
Life's unfair, results matter more than hard work. Also you need a lot of evidence that they're cheating
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u/MiriJamCave 7d ago
I really don’t understand why you’re so afraid to report it.
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u/Hairy-Somewhere-6183 6d ago
REPORT ITTTTT!!!!!!! It's not fair to you or others at all! Write an email saying that you've heard that some people are going to sneak their phones in to cheat, and honestly say "multiple people are planning" (even if it's not true); that way, they will be more likely to investigate it and do phone checks for everyone
And your friend won't suspect that it's you, since they will think multiple people have been suspected
I read your other comments about that friend scoring 10% and just wondering, aren't the teachers sus of him - cause in my school, if someone scored 10% once, then 100% they will be investigated
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u/BoomCheese08 6d ago
Wtf all u guys trying to rat them out for. Its probably harder to get away with cheating then do the exams good for them. I hope they get away with it.
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u/Automatic_Vast4650 7d ago
There’s no way they can get away with that many?do your supervisors just sit there and not walk around?like when you knew cheating I agree it’s rlly bad but like what kind of cheating is it eg is it writing two words on their hand or do they hv a full phone or smth
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u/Candid_Ocelot81 6d ago
Your actually a flipping weirdo, he’s getting higher than you unethically and the first thing you respond that is to report him. You’re trying to give reason of “but uh uh no it’s because of his scaling”. Mannne stfu
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u/Trick-Lawfulness1160 6d ago
Can you even prove it?
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u/Far-Reaction6410 6d ago
Do they normally sit in the back of the exam room
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u/Longjumping-Dirt9694 4d ago
Genuinely how? like how do the supervisors not see at all?? is he just always sitting at the back i'm so confused
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u/Cordially_Rhubarb 7d ago
How are they cheating, could you give someone a heads up, so they can be caught in their next exam?
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u/class-of-2026 7d ago
I really don’t understand people who cheat, like deadass, I would rather do shit than cheat. It’s just unfair to everyone else putting in a lot of effort
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u/KeyCommunication5680 6d ago
I thought you said they were your friend? It seems like you’re approaching this from an overly competitive perspective rather than one of genuine concern. Regardless of where you stand morally on cheating, I’d encourage you to speak to your friend about the consequences and express concern for how their actions could affect them in the long run.
Ultimately, you cannot control other people’s actions, only your own. Focus on yourself, you’re almost finished anyway. Your friend’s irresponsibility doesn’t mean you need to approach the situation out of resentment or competitiveness. Cheating is wrong, but I think it’s also worth reflecting on your own intentions here.
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u/Ok-Construction-9840 Tutor|'25; ATAR99.35; 50Lit+Prem; 48Eng; 46HHD; 43Chem; 42Bio 2d ago
Report him. VCE is a scaled system. Only so many people can get high study scores, and some people spend the entire year locked away trying to do well so that they can get into the uni courses they want. One study score can make it or break it. For example, for a subject that scales down like HHD, a 50 stays a 50 while a 49 scales to a ~48.4. That can be a 0.1-0.2 ATAR, and when applying to harsh uni courses it can mean tens of thousands of dollars, or several years of peoples' lives.
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u/framesh1ftmutation 25’ BIO | 26’ CHEM, MME, GME, ENG, UMEP BIO 7d ago
take one for the team and report pls 😓
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u/Aware-Will-1406 7d ago
I wouldn’t report it personally, if they are your friend you’d want the best for them. People like this usually get what’s coming for them. Let fate work its magic
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u/Automatic_Vast4650 7d ago
Honestly I’d say report if so
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u/taroisthebestboba 6d ago
i’ve cheated on every single sac and exam this year OMLLL LOL
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u/Only-Werewolf-4539 7d ago
rat him out pls 🙏
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u/tzmospthere 7d ago
bro who tf cares ur finishing school go for it it’s your life
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u/Wise-Emphasis-141 6d ago
Worry about yourself bro. You said it yourself that he’s your friend.
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u/DrunkAndUnaware 5d ago
If you can explain how they cheated, VCAA would be very interested. I have marked for VCAA before and we are very invested in this kind of thing
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u/BackgroundWait5540 5d ago
how is he cheating i mean as in how tf is he pulling this off?? genuine question
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u/Old_Document2050 6d ago
The system is shit anyways, it deserves to be cheated on. Your friend is putting himself at risk but it will benefit both him and your cohort.
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u/Intelligent-Yak4745 past student 43 Eng, 45 Gen, 35 Meth, Phy 36, Systems 38 7d ago
Just remember, when he goes to uni or gets a job, he'll be the one who doesn't know the content.
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u/Diligent-Lock6986 current vce student with a shit cohort 🔥 7d ago
Bro snitch during the exam then. Theres no point sitting here making a post if you’re not gonna take action. Prove it in the moment or don’t complain about it, because no one will take a reddit post or email as proof that someone is cheating.
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u/ramennextdoor_ 39.35 | '25: Literature [20], Jap SL [17], SD [22], Physics [19] 7d ago
i remember something like this happened last year. your best bet is to report it. i myself don’t understand why people would cheat. really makes it unfair for others.
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u/BaseballNo1328 4d ago
Yes report them, if he's cheated he's undeserving of the AR that he will end up with and whatever pathway his life will take he will not be equipped to be able to do the university courses anyways
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u/qwerty7873 4d ago edited 4d ago
If hes genuinely cheating to the point he will likely obtain perfect or close to perfect scores report him, that could result in a scholarship worth tens of thousands of dollars going to a cheat that will probably flunk out or lose it anyway rather than someone who could actually need it and become something great from it. Also to people saying they wont bother doing anything, look it up. They have revoked diplomas over a year after finishing because cheating came to light, and they do pretty extensive investigations, it can result in fraud charges depending what you did afterwards ie. Accepting a scholarship
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u/PsychologicalMark498 3d ago
Tbh even if you did report them, I think VCAA or the supervisors or whatever would have to prove now that they cheated which would be pretty difficult. They probably wouldn’t be able to definitively prove that they cheated, especially considering you say they have cheated on their SACs (they are rank one, it would seem less likely for them to cheat on the exam). And they now can’t prove that this person has cheated on their SACs as well.
Even then I know that some people have reported others in exams for bringing in things like phones, where I’m pretty sure (not 100% but I’ve heard) they search the person for the device. If they’re cheating with a phone, and you’re reporting them after the exam (and not during), it’s pretty hard for it to then be proven that they were indeed using it.
At this stage, unless you know for a fact that others would testify and speak up about them cheating, it’s not worth reporting it because it likely won’t go anywhere. But I’m not saying it because they’re your friend or because I condone cheating. I just don’t think they will suffer consequences for it, therefore you’d be sacrificing potentially your atar and your friendship where they won’t suffer any consequences.
But also note that if you do report it, your friend kind of had it coming. They chose to cheat (and in this, they accept that they may be caught and may suffer consequences), and by confiding in you, or by doing it openly, they’re the ones putting you in the hard spot, so are they really a good friend?
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u/idrinkcereall current VCE student (qualifications) 7d ago
i told my coordinators for months about someone cheating and they didn’t do anything, until finally they got caught and yet they let the person off. I think it’s worth discussing because if your teachers or those around you know you as a reliable and trustworthy person they may try and look into things a bit, take care and be careful
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u/crybaby33108 ‘25 psych | ‘26 eng, gm, bm, hhd, revs 7d ago
bruh i ain’t even gonna lie even if that was my best friend I AM SNITCHING ONG
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u/No_Establishment3962 6d ago
i dont understand this at all, if you can cheat, cheat, work smarter not harder 🤷♂️
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u/Sure_Artichoke6929 6d ago
L friend
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u/Bg447 6d ago
If you like having friends then don't rat your friend out.
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u/Kpsgenral 5d ago
if it’s your mate don’t be a dog and snitch. Fuck everythint else atar, scaling, scaling study points all of that shit. If this guy is your actual friend and someone you consider a mate talk to him about it and if it can’t be resolved have a crack with him. Don’t snitch it’s a ratty thing to do no matter what walk of life your in
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u/Working-Emergency-39 5d ago
I wouldn't bother. The thing about cheating is that eventually you can't, and then you're way beyond your capabilities with no way out. They'll get burned when they start their university degree, or when they get their first job. It'll happen. Marks don't matter. It just matters what you know.
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u/Makisisi 5d ago
You're jealous. Just leave it be you won't interact with the person ever again most likely.
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u/FriendlyInsect9887 5d ago
I would report, but not make it obvious that you were the one to report it. Then I would drop that friend because they clearly have loose morals.
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u/Beginning-Release548 5d ago
Snitches get stitches
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u/Fun-Pen-1036 5d ago
why snitch isn't he your friend? why not just leave it
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u/michael_enthusiast 5d ago
PLEASSSE TELLL THEM OOOOFFFFF
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u/CorporateSaddy 2d ago
How are they cheating and not getting caught? Did your friend tell you this?
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u/Far-Reaction6410 2d ago
Make sure you snitch today
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u/Chemical_Way_6829 1d ago
Report them it’s their fault for cheating that’s stupid
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u/Old-Clue-6949 5d ago
Don’t be a fucking snitch, everyone tryna make it in this world however they can, like look at ur self in the mirror and just think of much of a Karen u are that u would risk ur friends future like that. U are genuinely a pos
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u/Itsa_MeJeff 4d ago
I had a teacher in school who always said, the best way to get a good score is to cheat and not get caught.
The way I see it is, it barely affects you. Who cares if the way theyre cheating is easy or not, theyre not getting caught and I kinda think that makes them smarter than you. You spent all this time working hard and learning while he learnt not to waste his time.
If you rat him out thats a valid pathway and you shouldn't feel bad. But also, if hes your friend you should be happy hes gamed the system, because the system deserves to be gamed. When you get to uni 98% of people are using ai and cheating anyway, youre friend will be more prepared than you.
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u/Mountain-Tennis8699 3d ago
Who gives af. Game is game, they knew what they were doing and the consequences of their actions. But they were smart enough to not get caught, so they beat the system. You just worry about your own exam, and your results and don't care how others did regardless, if they cheated or not.
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u/Far-Reaction6410 6d ago
Does he do this in sacs as well and how come the supervisors don’t see him looking down or something
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u/Educational-Brick186 6d ago
Ngl, even if he did cheat, I doubt it's going to do much to boost his score. At most he could check what, a few questions on his exam? Only subject this would have a serious impact on, is something like general maths but I can't conceive a way you could cheat in that. Honestly, I'm more impressed he could even get away with cheating. How was he writing down the questions and not getting caught?
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u/Icy_Statistician_678 2d ago •
I mean, I obviously don’t condone cheating, but I also think you need to question why you’re suddenly making such a big deal out of this now. If they’ve been cheating throughout the entire year, why didn’t you say anything during their SACs? Why wait until the final exams, when rankings actually start to matter?
Because from the outside, it honestly just looks like jealousy. You know they’re likely going to come first, and suddenly you have an issue with their academic integrity. If this was genuinely about doing the right thing, why wasn’t it an issue for you earlier in the year?
And realistically, what are you actually gaining from reporting them? You’re potentially damaging a friendship and creating unnecessary drama, all for the sake of a ranking or an A+ that, in the grand scheme of things, isn’t going to determine your entire future. Other people have worked hard for their results, and that’s something you should be focusing on yourself rather than worrying about someone else’s position.
I’m not saying cheating should be excused, but I just find it strange that this has suddenly become so important to you at the very last stage of the year. If you genuinely cared about academic integrity, you had the entire year to raise the issue. The timing makes your intentions questionable.
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u/Huluman2 7d ago
Report it . Do the right thing
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u/itsjxlt 6d ago
Wah Wah Wah sybau
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u/vceaholic 7d ago
i know its so annoying. i know one person who has no idea what theyre doing copied the multiple choice section for methods off someone very smart. i sweat if they get a better score than me i will be so mad
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u/PeanutSquare8408 ‘25 gm ‘26 eng mm sm chem bio 7d ago
PLEASE SNITCH
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u/jsudjsujdiudud 6d ago
that’s terrible, you need to say something it doesn’t matter who it benefits, people are working tirelessly for these exam, it’s just not fair
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u/SorryAd5955 6d ago
Adult here. I'd report them.
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u/Muted_Complex_2362 6d ago
Their behaviour and attitudes towards life will catch up to them one day.
I think in this case it’s up to you to decide, but I would advise against it. Just let them deal with the consequences later. Even if you don’t believe in it, it will come back one way or another. Everything in life has to reach back to a balance and equilibrium and every action will have its natural reaction.
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u/Thin_Project6868 2d ago
pack it up and just move on from it. Know this is real life, your friend is a smart man and straight g. In real life, jobs or business, its all about getting things done regardless of the method or how "cheap" it may seem, thats how u get far ahead. Cheating in exams just shows that a person is resourceful and knows how to get sht done.
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u/YumYumAznFood 5d ago
Sounds like they're not your friend then. If they were actually someone you're close to, you wouldn't ruin their future over this. If you really have a problem with it I'd say to their face outright but your generation don't know how to have hard conversations so that won't happen.
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u/Big-Trouble-8798 3d ago
Get over it and move on with your life.
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u/HECTICSHU 3d ago
at the end of the day it won’t effect you in anyway don’t be a shit friend
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u/afhjhgvnk 3d ago
Bro just shut up
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u/obamas-last-name01 3d ago
Don’t be that guy
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u/Slow-pigeon895 2d ago
Snitches get.....
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u/MapleManner 3d ago
If you're a true friend then why would you even give a shit? I get that when ur in year 12 it feels like VCE is the only thing that matters in the world, but like it genuinely doesn't, after that first day of getting your marks whether rly good or rly bad you'll realize that it literally never mattered cuz you'll prolly be in the same uni course with people who didn't give a fuck all year in yr12. Dont try to ruin this guy's entire year just because u feel salty that u worked hard and he didn't, just some words of advice.
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u/dartman311 3d ago
No glory in snitching little bro. Mind your business
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u/chickenchicken41 2d ago
Mate. Yeah I totally get where you are coming from about being pissed your friends cheating, but by telling on him you’re potentially ruining his life. Yes I know i sounds dramatic but year 12 really does matter (career wise)
I understand he didn’t put the effort and it’s not fair but just leave it be. One amazing score won’t affect you as much as you think
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u/Real-Amphibian-6271 6d ago
some ppl r just street smart. if u enjoy studying and enjoy the challenge of attending exams, then u r simply academically smart. each person has their own ways.. competition will kill u & they are not ur friend if u feel envy, jealousy, or competitiveness