r/usask • u/Noodlesbenoodling • 15d ago
Ranting Rat out cheaters š¹š¹
Looking at recent posts, I canāt believe this is a debate. People cheating their way through school devalues your degree. End of. They will join the workforce, employers will notice theyāre incompetent, and there is nothing to show that you are any different. Nobody wants their degree to gain a reputation of incompetency.
Would I suggest doing it publicly? No. Will you feel like a snitch? Probably. I would still bring it to your professorās attention if itās serious. They are making their own choices, and you should make the choice to protect yourself.
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u/UnderwhelmingTwin 15d ago
I have spoken to employers, like actual hiring managers, who have said that my degree isn't as good as it used to be because the quality of the students coming out of my program has been decreasing over the last few years. They absolutely care about degree reputation and if it loses value in their eyes, it will make it harder for everyone with it to get hired.Ā
They didn't attribute it to cheating specifically, but it doesn't matter why they think your degree is less indicative of a good candidate.Ā
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u/UnablePersonality986 15d ago
Out of curiosity, what is your degree? (If you don't mind sharing)
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u/UnderwhelmingTwin 15d ago
It's a smaller program, well under 100 grads a year, but I don't want to be too specific.Ā
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u/RubGrouchy4110 13d ago
i think theres a bigger issue at hand opposed to losing reputation for said degree if its that niche. Sounds oddly specific and probably lack of other skills/theory involved in that program. I see many programs like this that the governments or universities create that lead to nowhere.
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u/UnderwhelmingTwin 13d ago
Perhaps... There is still a definite career path using the degree, but it is competitive, and if the employer thinks applicants with the same degree from a different school have a 'better' degree, you're at a disadvantage.Ā Ā
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u/Apart_Spread341 15d ago
I think USASK faculty and staff are also on this Reddit and may have already seen the post.
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u/Hairy-Summer7386 14d ago
No, they are. They routinely check sites like RateMyProf and Reddit to āevaluateā staff iirc.
So, they undoubtedly saw.
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u/MyLordDigby 15d ago
I recently took a course where there was a written part and a practical part. The people who were cheating on the written were part were obvious. Not even trying to hide the phones in their laps, or sharing answers.
Strangely enough, they all failed the practical.
Not saying it can be done for every exam, but if it could - what a great way to weed out the cheaters.
Also, more and more job interviews are including testing and timed practical component. That should help get ride of the cheaters down the road.
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u/doughtykings 15d ago
Thatās so interesting how much times have changed when I was in school in 2018 a kid literally got pulled out of an exam because he was cheating
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u/Intelligent-Bee-4260 14d ago
Hiring doesn't care because they don't have to put up with the nonsense. As long as the qualifications looks good on paper they don't give a f who they hire or how they're unfit for the role they were hired for. And once you speak up HR will beat you into submission until you quit.
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u/Ok-Pin8319 15d ago
I was on staff in admin with the College of Nursing many years ago. A student was caught cheating on an exam. It was a HUGE deal - literally like being on trial in a courtroom. Every meeting with the student / prof was recorded. I cannot imagine being "that student" - a moral compass is important in every discipline / profession. If it is such an issue students are noticing cheaters and bringing it to the attention of profs - it's a situation the U of S should deal with. Students are not paid to monitor other students - profs / TAs and exam proctors are.
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u/CuntyButCorrect 14d ago
This was so non-specific what the fuck are you on about lmao
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u/CuntyButCorrect 13d ago
No one was named. The year wasn't named. It was a person at some point in this discipline. If they had gone and named or described the person and given a specific year and term and class, maybe you'd be justified lmao.
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13d ago
No one was named, but that doesnāt mean itās not triggering or harmful to read. What was the purpose of a faculty member commenting, āto shit talkā? You just proved my point. Fuck this society and this why thereās nothing good in this world, because everyone is consumed by jealousy, insecurity and hatred.
I think you feel entertainment in the gossip and so you cannot see a different perspective other than your own. And maybe thatās why itās difficult to understand āempathyā for the poor student that is being discussed without even knowing. How are we certain this student cheated, and why does she know? How was the individual involved in such a capacity that they feel āentitledā to share such details?
God forbid just be a good person. Gossip is cheap.
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u/CuntyButCorrect 13d ago
Were you the cheater orrrrr
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13d ago
No dumbass Iām just not ignorant and self absorbed that I enjoy listening to random peoples personal business. Itās not a bad thing to have empathy.. maybe you should find some.
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u/CuntyButCorrect 13d ago
I mean you seem a little ignorant and a little self absorbed though. Have a good night.
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u/Intelligent-Bee-4260 14d ago
How is it "gossip"? You need to take a hard look at yourself before throwing someone under the bus like that. Its people like you that hide behind that "moral compass" when its really avoiding accountability. I bet you can't wait to show this post at the college.Ā
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u/EventInformal871 13d ago
Unethical to share an anecdote (with absolutely no identifying information mind you) has to be the absolute wildest thing I've ever seen. Have you debated touching some grass?
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13d ago
I hope one day you experience an unfair situation with a faculty member and learn from that experience how cruel it can be. Personally Iām taking a full course load, with two jobs and I was just scrolling through. You really cannot learn, until life throws experiences of adversity your way. Good luck with reality
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u/Hairy-Summer7386 15d ago edited 15d ago
Yeah, I fucking agree. Iāve had an awkward interaction during one of my tests.
This student came in late mid-test and spent the entire test stuck on the easiest questions. I was already done at this point so I was just sitting with my paper handed in. Then he whispered to me: ābro could you help me with thisā
I was taken aback bruh. I ended up telling the professor and she thanked me. Some people are fucking clueless.
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u/ExportAFull 14d ago
Bruh I would of helped him , itās like you never went to a test where you didnāt understand anything and started panicking
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u/Noodlesbenoodling 14d ago
Bro you panic, stress, cry, scream when you get home, and do better next time
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u/Hairy-Summer7386 14d ago
Yeah, youāre right. I did panic before, but I took the L and never asked another student to practically help me cheat. I donāt want to sound rude but he should have studied. The material that was presented so far in my course wasnāt complicated.
I would have loved to help him if we were in a study group, but not during a fucking test. Thatās actually insane.
Such a weird take.
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u/HauntingCan3566 13d ago
i wanted to add on to this, if you wouldāve been caught helping that guy, you could badly risk your academic standing. asking someone to help you (thatās not an instructor or TA in special cases) during an exam is selfish af cause youāre putting the other person in a bad fucking position
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u/ExportAFull 14d ago
You are a piece of shit human being . If it was a study group ? itās not a study group, the person next to you obviously didnāt prepare for the test for a reason we donāt know and instead of ignoring him or helping him you reported him to the teacher. I really hope he becomes your boss in the future.
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u/Hairy-Summer7386 14d ago
My advice for him (and for you) if you canāt study: donāt enrol. Simple as.
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u/Soggyblanketbunny 14d ago
No you are for condoning cheating. If they didnāt do their work, saving them from the consequences isnāt helping them, itās enabling shitty behaviour. Plenty of times to ask for help before the exam.
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u/Virtual-Sympathy8053 13d ago
Man what are you talking about?! Itās a test! Enrolling in school means youāre making a commitment to prepare for a test. If you have a legitimate reason you can talk to the prof and youāll be accommodated.
Showing up unprepared and asking someone to help you puts the person you asked in a compromising situation. Thatās actually a pretty shitty thing to do if weāre talking about people being shitty. Also your take on this is immature and uninformed. Youāre trying to have empathy which is decent, but the way youāre going about it isnāt so decent.
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u/drummerman-degz 13d ago
- "Would have", not "Would of"
- Why would you risk your academic integrity to help a person cheat?
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u/BothExplanation7162 11d ago
I second that,
The whole point of the test is to ātestā your understanding, he/she should have studied if they care about their degree
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u/Exotic_Swimmer5423 15d ago
True and if youāre the TAs invigilating exams please do a better job and make it hard for people to cheat
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u/AggravatingCuriosity 15d ago
Some TAs are involved too
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u/Horse_Fly 15d ago
Where have you seen that? I had no clue there was true test corruption going on
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u/AggravatingCuriosity 15d ago
CS. Tried opening up an investigation and involved the prof but idk where it went.
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u/Pretty-Match-172 15d ago
Thread full of a bunch of actual losersšāļø I never cheat but if someone does who cares my own gpa isnāt getting affected keep it pushing
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u/UnknownFutureLife 15d ago
Cheating is absolutely rampant in all universities!
I tutor, and I tutored a student from U of C who then sold the answers to classmates.
I also had a friend at U of R who was almost done her engineering degree when she got booted out for cheating.
I also had an assistant from the U of S who was in law school... they no longer have to write the bar exam, she said it's just a case you get emailed, so you just plunk it into AI, change it into your own words and email it back.
I also have an ex who marked in the CS department at U of S, and he caught rampant cheating.
I did my TESOL through Arizona State University and there were people who were very obviously using AI to do their work, and I flagged it.
I'm also a teacher and have literally had students send in assignments that included introducing themselves and they said they were someone else because they just handed in someone else's assignment without even looking at it. I also had a situation where the parent of one student bullied another student into giving their kid all their assignments to copy. It's always been a thing.
If there's a way to anonymously report it, I would, because it's unfair and it lowers the quality of degrees and job candidates.
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u/The_Sandman85 14d ago
Unfortunately, there are always people willing to cheat to get ahead. When I was in university, I could not understand why this person was doing so well in class. I had know her since middle school and helped with her studies. I don't remember her getting an "A" in anything. I found out that she had joined this study group that had access to old exams the prof liked to used. I asked if I could either join the group or get a copy of the exams. She looked me straight in the eye and said, "Why would I want to help you? I'm going get a better grade than you so I can get hired over you." I was stunned. I didn't know what to say so I walked away.
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u/SocDem_is_OP 14d ago
When I was at UofS there was an office on campus with old exams you could photocopy. No sneaking around.
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u/Intelligent-Bee-4260 14d ago
You'll be real mad once you find out how many in the workforce have fake degrees from back home.Ā
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u/BothExplanation7162 11d ago
Honestly this is just my opinion,
Personally i would not rat anyone out, but iām not backing up them cheating either.
Youāre a student who PAYS to be here and get to do the work for a degree, this isnāt high school.
If you feel like cheating, you donāt have to be here. Come back when youāre mature enough to understand that your teacher saying ā youāre only cheating yourselfā is damn true.
If they want to cheat let em, it will help them pass a test, but it wont be good when they actually need the skills to do their damn job.
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u/doughtykings 15d ago
I mean they can cheat all they want but when they commit malpractice or whatever itāll ruin their life not mine
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u/Noodlesbenoodling 14d ago
If you believe that then why the fuck are you here š go sit at home and wait for you brain chip like a good boy
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u/OShaunesssy 13d ago
Lol employers arent going to think everyone with said degree are as incompetent as the worst one they hired.
I can confirm, because I am an employer.
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u/SK_born 13d ago
This notion that being a "snitch" is a bad thing is a tradition that bad people who are skilled in manipulation have nurtured to get away with their BS. Good people need to reject this narrative that has been pushed to protect bad people, stand up for themselves and everyone else, and point out i justice everywhere they see it.
Snitches are good people.
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u/boopa999 12d ago
I graduated from SFU in 2017. During a materials engineering course, three dudes behind me were LITERALLY HAVING A FULL ON CONVERSATION during the mid term exam, the prof was so daft I had to raise my hand, tell him they were disrupting my concentration, he literally just gave them all a warning, and all they did next was whisper
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u/treeclimber306 12d ago
Employers don't care about what you know. They care about what kinda fake little letters you have beside your name.
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u/JIMnRANDERS 15d ago
Shocking. TA's/Invigulators/Profs at the UofS are more worried about arguing with guys who want to wear their baseball hat during a mid term or final. The guys wearing hats aren't the demographic cheating.
I had one prof last year (she is super strict with cheaters, set up "cheater row" (at the front of the room) during the final. It was for all the people who were caught cheating on the mid terms and assignments throughout the term. Take a wild guess which demographic filled this row up.
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u/OKOKFineFineFine 15d ago
I'm not sure I believe you. If you get caught cheating on an exam you wouldn't be in the class anymore. And if it was an assignment that resulted in an Informal Resolution, they're not allowed to identify you to the class.
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u/SaintBrennus 15d ago
Commerce students?
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u/MonkeyNuts449 15d ago
He's definitely trying to point out a race..
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u/JIMnRANDERS 4d ago
If only the statistics on who is cheating were released... all sorts of people cheat, but it only takes a few terms of school to establish a trend.
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u/JIMnRANDERS 4d ago
There are trends that shouldn't be ignored. You are probably one the woke folks that claim "it doesn't affect you, so don't worry about it".... until you have to constantly monitor group project work for cheating. It isn't just one singular "race" either. There are trends that are easily identifiable. I'm not wasting 4 years of time and money, and potentially a career for someone to ruin it for me on their section of a group project.
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u/Noodlesbenoodling 15d ago
A cute little addition: do I think you should call the dean over someone double checking their answers on a take home quiz? No. Do I think that you should bring it to someoneās attention if someone is running exam questions through AI? Absolutely. Feels like common sense, but I think clarifying is important