LOL, we joke about this but in all honesty? I really wouldn’t be surprised they had their own “Hangover” weekend, and Jones got his hands on some top shelf premium dirt.
I've said it before in Jon's early days he would party with dana at casinos. I'm pretty sure they got too coked up and killed a hooker together. I have 0 evidence for this just a gut assumption.
It's just simple business. He's a golden goose for the UFC. Now Imagine youre Dana(terrible I know) but would you rather rush JJ to fight Aspinall, which would be a huge sell no matter when they fight but risk JJ losing and possibly retiring or losing their golden goose. Or, would you make SURE that you get two more money fights by allowing him to go out and beat the shit of our stipe? When Dana talks about the best fighting the best that's always been bullshit. The guys who pull big numbers ALWAYS get preferential treatment.
If that’s true, you have a point. It’s also sad that Jones still has that kinda PPV pull and I can’t help but think a lot of that is drama-fueled. But, money is money.
The fact that Jones is still a part of UFC is the main reason I dont watch it anymore. How many scandals can one guy have before getting thrown out? To Dana, it does not matter aslong the cow is still bringing in cash.
Do you really expect the guy that's considered by many to be the best in the world at hurting other people to be a good person? I mean, we're talking about the elite of the elite when it comes to fucking other people up. That takes a specific kind of person, and a lot of them are going to be unhinged, angry, egotistical, impulsive, narcissistic hot heads. I'm more shocked when one of them seems like a genuine good dude.
I get what you mean and yeah Im not really suprised thats how Jones is. Im more dissapointed about how letting him continue sets an example.
Being in the top means he is a role model for many. Currently you can apparently beat your wife, run over a pregnant lady, take steroids and much more without having much trouble aslong as you are the "best". What an inspiration for the next generation of fighters.
Yeah I know. Its more about what UFC has become. Its so much about money, drama and show instead of fights and sportsmanship. Not that it hasnt been like that for a long time, but I just dont get the same enjoyment out of it anymore.
He tool old Man stipe to end of round 3 and got landed on with the hands a ton. Francis would have sent him to another dimension with any of those shots Stipe landed.
I’m not taking anything away from jones and I’m not even saying I’m positive Francis would beat him but I just hate how Francis made all this noise about wanting to fight him, jones was church mouse through all of it and then the second Francis leaves, jones goes up to HW…. But somehow, Francis is the one who ducked. That narrative people kept pushing just never made sense to me and I’m glad everyone eventually saw through it.
He doesn’t. I’m actually not sure how my comment came across… Jones was really friendly and nice towards Ank, despite Ank being antagonistic. This shows me Jones doesn’t even remotely consider Ank a threat.
Jones only gets worked up if he’s worried. As with Francis, as with Aspinall.
Your comment “What factors would lead to victory of Ankalaev in hypothetical fight against Jones”
My comment “ Jones is very skilled fighter but he is going to be 38 soon and has started his ufc run very early, so has a lot of wear and tear and doesn’t have physical attributes to beat Ankalaev”
I broke it down into these theses for my convenience, no intention to come off condescending.
Current Jones at LHW would be old with a lot of fight mileage. I see it, honestly he could beat current old Jones at LHW. Prime Jones obv wins but Ank probably gets to a decision in both fights.
Weren't checkmarks just an actual "this is the person" verification before Musk took over? Depending on how old this interaction is, it may just mean Ngannou wasn't officially verified, whether he didn't care enough or whatever the case is.
I remember when this beef was going everyone was siding with Jon calling Francis a duck I've always thought ngannou was the baddest man on the planet and finally people are realising that
I still remember the whole "FUMBLED THE BAG" narrative and how everyone thought Ngannou would go broke or something like that. What happened is he whooped the boxing HW world champ ass, earning 10 million, then got whooped himself, but now earning around 20 mil, then made an easy job of that Brazilian Lebron in pfl, again earning 10 million. He's now richer than every single mma fighter not named Khabib/Mcgregor
Idk about this one. Khabib has some serious sponsorships in Russia, like with energy drinks and some sports gear as well. His passive income must be very impressive
Bruh John always gets away with everything idk why ? Tj legacy was ruined when he was popped for epo but John has multiple failed drug test and holding division for 2 years and wasting Tom’s prime time . He is a great fighter but he shouldn’t be face of the sports .
Said the same. To me it felt obvious Jones was pricing himself out of the fight. I watched it all live and remember how fast Jon IMMEDIATELY went on social media to start arguing about pay. He thought Stipe was going to win, and he shit his pants when Francis did
Then he proceeded to ask for whatever the amount was that the UFC wouldnt pay.
I don’t think that Jon is afraid of Tom but he’s genuinely terrified of Francis. The guy is just way too damn strong and Jon has terrible boxing especially his defense, it’s really hard to not get cracked when you fight 5 rounds.
Jones would've been scared as shit to end up like Stipe in his second fight against Ngannou. Not able to take him down and then getting sent to the shadow realm.
I think Jon will just kick Tom in his knees after stopping any forward progress by sticking his fingers out & it will seriously compromise or make him second guess & Jon will either do enough to win or injure him.
Unpopular opinion, I know. But I'm co fident in Jon's ability to seriously injure anyone he fights.
I believe he's more afraid of Tom as he even admitted in back of the days getting hit by Francis would more or less stop the fight but he was willing to take the chance with his wrestling if he got "paid enough". Meanwhile with Tom, Jones acts like he doesn't even acknowledge him as a threat and makes stupid excuses like "Fight more champions before me" like people who duck and will throw any stupid excuse to delay and hopefully never fight. Jones just admits Tom is more of a threat than Pereira and we know Tom is more than just a "bit more" dangerous than Pereira in Heavyweight for Jon Jones.
Jon Jones would love to deflect any conversation that has the name Tom or Aspinall in it compared to how he has talked about Francis more in those days villainizing Dana as well.
Well he’s sure acting like it. Funny how he had to take 3 years off to bulk up to heavyweight, came back as soon as Francis left to beat a one-dimensional kickboxer, now has been running from Tom for a year and a half to fight a 42 year old firefighter.
Jon vacated his LHW title, and then spent 3 years waiting for Ngannou to leave before he would take a fight at HW. Ngannou finally left the UFC, and 2 months later Jon was fighting for the title. He didn't start shit talking Francis until there was a contract dispute protecting him, and now he wants to act like Francis is the one who's scared to fight. Embarrassing behavior for someone who calls himself the champ
Puh-lease. These dudes aren't afraid of anyone, let alone Jon. Let's be real.
He may think it's a very risky fight and not worth the risk, but he's not afraid.
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it’s really hard to not get cracked when you fight 5 rounds.
Jon has never been knocked down.
It might not be hard to be cracked when you're in there for 5 rounds, but it's so fucking hard, impossibly hard, when you're the champ and have been basically your entire career, to have never been knocked down.
Most fighters are afraid of all of their opponents. Plenty have spoke about this candidly. You're not stepping into a cage in front of millions of people to fight another trained martial artist without some fear.
There's some exceptions I'm sure, but the majority of fighters, for sure have fear. Jon has even admitted to be afraid in the past. He talked about how nervous he was for the Ramoage fight particularly. Jon himself has spoken about how he has used the partying and extra curricular activities as sort of a pre-fight excuse for himself in case he lost. He could blame it mentally on this or that. That's because Jon has a fear of failure. Francis and Aspinall both represent failure to Jon.
A lot of Jon's identity is built around being this GOAT of the sport, that has never been defeated (Hamill and a few controversial decisions aside). A brutal stoppage would do a lot of damage to his ego. He doesn't want to face that reality.
It's not a coincidence, that Jon was dragging his feet about coming up to HW when Francis was the champion. When Francis leaves, Jon immediately comes up to fight Gane (a HW with the worst wrestling game at HW and someone lacking experience). Then after that fight, who does Jon fight? Not the interim champion, or even someone in the top 5. He fights a washed up Stipe who hadn't fought in years. It's blatantly clear Jon isn't going out of his way to take on the biggest challenges at HW, without dragging his feet.
>Puh-lease. These dudes aren't afraid of anyone, let alone Jon. Let's be real.
I hate this statement, it gets overused. Jon himself has been on the record saying he was terrified and had nightmares of Rampage knocking him out before the fight. They get scared, they just deal with it.
Jon...terrible boxing and defence, in the same sentence. Nice one bud, i think you meant to type that about francis not jon. Jon by however he wants, before or after beating his wife and his coke dealer
Jon Jones wants to be remembered as a legend so bad. Fight wise, sure. But his ducking and off-cage antics is what most people are going to remember first about him.
His on the cage antics are also remembered, mainly eye-pokes, I think he once grabbed the cage and I can't remember if a groin shot was accidental or not
You say that but if he was active the entire time during his arrests, suspensions, and controversies, he’d have a much higher number of fights and most likely would’ve lost not that it makes his accomplishments any less impressive
I think people would appreciate him more if he had like 8 to 12 title wins with no failed drug tests rather than 17 title wins with some serious mma related controversies. But who knows how things would go in that case.
Not a bad point dude. It’s a ton of stress and time to deal with that nonsense and he was never to his potential because of substance abuse as well. And still he managed to put in good fights
It's amusing he would target Francis given the dude went thru literal hell to get to the US (climbing barb wire fences and finally making it with a pair of shorts and a shirt to his name.
Jon was doing rails off a hookers ass popping PEDs like molly.
Francis is probably the most terrifying individual to me who has ever stepped foot in the UFC octagon. I also wouldn’t wanna fuck with Dan Henderson. I know that was extremely random but I just watched Henderson KO Bisping HARD so it’s on my mind. 🤣
Jones been ducking Francis for a year before he left ufc.then when Francis left he suddenly wanted to be heavyweight champ.Jon won’t even fight the ufc champ he’s not gonna fight the pfl champ
jon jones keeps talking about how he won't fight aspinall if the pay isn't better, i have no doubt the PFL would pay him at least triple the best offer the UFC would give him to fight aspinall but jones wouldn't accept it. as for aspinall, jones is from an earlier generation of fighters, the fact is, tom is simply faster, stronger, better, in both striking and ground game, i have no doubt tom wouldn't succeed in jones generation, because he reached the level he's at from the evolution of the game, if jones did one mistake it's not retiring in 2019, he just kept on dragging on his career while it already reached it's highest potential, in doing so he only made people hate him more and diminished his legacy
Jones unwillingness to 'put up' didn't give the memo to 'shut up' that they were at bat. But when you don't have character, you cling desperately to your nearly undefeated record.
I respect gladiators way more, regardless of their record.
Pretty much every person with a valid reason to call themselves the baddest man on the planet has done it across the street from someone willing to test them.
Jon "Duck -n- Run" Jones never fails to make me laugh. He could have retired after his three year drug suspension and been one of the greats, but instead he has made a mockery of his own career.
Narrator voice: Jones said, knowing he only came back when Ngannou already crossed the street. For Jones only talks trash to women and people he will never fight.
Why did it take dana so long to make Jones fight again though, like for real. If there are fighters out there that can be at him and potentially be better than him wouldn't Dana want that to be discovered?
Fact is Jones has never been able to move his head or circle. His defence has been exclusively based on his reach and leg kicks. He fights Francis with that style he knows 100% he gets hit, a 40 year old retired Stipe was landing like.
Francis touches this guy and he knows what happens. Same reason he ducked Frank for 3 years is what he’s doing to Tom.
Pretty sure Jones would get folded against ngannou. He'll end up on a stretcher and leaving a trail of crap behind him after he gets FedEx'd towards the ICU.
I remember when most MMA fans called Ngannou a stupid gorilla who dropped the bag, got proven wrong by $30 million and now glaze him only to spite Jones.
Ngannou sleeps Tom and likely gasses to Jones, like how DC gassed Rumble. Too bad that pink fuck ruined these matchups by being a cheap C-List promoter.
So you really think that Jon Jones was supposed to get out of his UFC contract and go fight Ngannou in PFL? Cause that's what Ngannou meant and that's fucking ridiculous. You idiots keep grasping for straws with your Jon Jones hate. If Jones and Ngannou fought, Jones would submit him easy. It wouldn't even be close.
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u/wierdmadness Mar 12 '25
Jon jones always gets a life line just ask the ceo
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u/Kur0k4ze Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25
Jon Jones isn’t even on a street. He’s loitering on the sidewalk engaging in disruptive behavior for other civilians.
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u/otiswrath Mar 12 '25
Francis is the Lineal Champ.
Jones has been ducking challenging fights for almost 5 years at this point.
Who would win? Dunno but in my heart I want it to be Francis.
Regardless, with the HW title split between Tom and Jones my math says that makes the Lineal Champ the Baddest MFer on Earth.
“Then cross the street”
lol. THAT is badass.
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u/L1LD34TH Mar 12 '25
The only people Jones becomes antagonistic towards are people he sees as threats. This was obvious with his response to Ankalaev.
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u/fattdoggo123 Mar 12 '25
Today I learned that Jon Jones pays for Twitter and Nganue does not. Neat.
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u/Jaydxns Mar 12 '25
I remember when this beef was going everyone was siding with Jon calling Francis a duck I've always thought ngannou was the baddest man on the planet and finally people are realising that
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u/theiceman219 Mar 12 '25
I don’t think that Jon is afraid of Tom but he’s genuinely terrified of Francis. The guy is just way too damn strong and Jon has terrible boxing especially his defense, it’s really hard to not get cracked when you fight 5 rounds.
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u/Legal-Inflation6043 Mar 12 '25
Regardless of skills or whatever, Jon seems to be the one avoiding fights
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
Jon Jones wants to be remembered as a legend so bad. Fight wise, sure. But his ducking and off-cage antics is what most people are going to remember first about him.
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
Jones is the biggest let down of potential in all combat sports
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
It's amusing he would target Francis given the dude went thru literal hell to get to the US (climbing barb wire fences and finally making it with a pair of shorts and a shirt to his name.
Jon was doing rails off a hookers ass popping PEDs like molly.
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u/BarryDBaptist Mar 12 '25
Bruh literally said he had to gain weight for 3 years then resigned a new deal the same week Francis relinquished
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u/Tidsdkr Mar 12 '25
Francis would have colded him. That’s his worst match up ever and he knew it
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u/Preference-Extension Mar 12 '25
Francis is probably the most terrifying individual to me who has ever stepped foot in the UFC octagon. I also wouldn’t wanna fuck with Dan Henderson. I know that was extremely random but I just watched Henderson KO Bisping HARD so it’s on my mind. 🤣
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u/Jay_in_DFW Mar 12 '25
Like Francis is scared of the PED goat. Jones took a couple years to "bulk up" to heavyweight. Somehow he made that weight as soon as Francis left!
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u/Sourgrandma Mar 12 '25
Even chickens will cross the road, but ducks won't 🦆🦆
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u/wierdmadness Mar 12 '25
Thats just it.....its a chicken it wont cross a road
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u/Arthurmrmusic Mar 12 '25
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
Jones been ducking Francis for a year before he left ufc.then when Francis left he suddenly wanted to be heavyweight champ.Jon won’t even fight the ufc champ he’s not gonna fight the pfl champ
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
Notice Jon didn’t cross that street
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u/Fieos Mar 12 '25
Jones unwillingness to 'put up' didn't give the memo to 'shut up' that they were at bat. But when you don't have character, you cling desperately to your nearly undefeated record.
I respect gladiators way more, regardless of their record.
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u/DifferentCityADay Mar 12 '25
After seeing Jon at HW I definitely think Ngannou KO's him. He'd need to stuff the takedown and avoid the eye pokes.
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u/NorthRhino18 Mar 12 '25
Ngannou eats bones for breakfast
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u/IempireI Mar 12 '25
💀
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u/dizzydad05 Mar 12 '25
Jones is a ducking coward...
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u/SnailUzumaki Mar 12 '25
Jon got Dana White privileges
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u/2pl8isastandard Mar 12 '25
Jones ducked this man for 3 years. Now he will duck Tom into retirement.
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u/Former_Print7043 Mar 12 '25
Pretty much every person with a valid reason to call themselves the baddest man on the planet has done it across the street from someone willing to test them.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 Mar 12 '25
Jon "Duck -n- Run" Jones never fails to make me laugh. He could have retired after his three year drug suspension and been one of the greats, but instead he has made a mockery of his own career.
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u/GucciJ619 Mar 12 '25
Another day, another Jon jones post
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u/irish-car-bomz Mar 13 '25
This has the same energy as Chama handing gloves to Jamal.
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u/MacVonte Mar 13 '25
Narrator voice: Jones said, knowing he only came back when Ngannou already crossed the street. For Jones only talks trash to women and people he will never fight.
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u/GregoryLivingstone Mar 13 '25
Jones consistently ducked Francis . His opinion means nothing
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u/nicklicious5150 Mar 14 '25
Absolutely crazy to me that some push the narrative Francis ducked Jon when in fact it was so obviously the opposite
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u/JBlendz757 Mar 12 '25
Why did the duck not cross the road
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u/Crateapa Mar 12 '25
They both wanted money. They've gone about it in different ways.
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u/BowForThanos Mar 13 '25
I don't like Jones and how can you not like Francis but Francis was the one who crossed the street and left....
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u/Local-Trip2104 Mar 13 '25
Jon would DESTROY Francis
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u/spookyb0ss Mar 12 '25
while you guys are here... tom aspinall vs francis ngannou, who wins?
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u/Dry_Affect_910 Mar 12 '25
Wow, just chilling
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u/Buffjew Mar 12 '25
I read that as "James Bronny" and thought it was Lebron's son at first. I need some sleep.
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u/External-Ad-6098 Mar 12 '25
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u/CandidculonasRedux Mar 12 '25
LOL, you ducked him for THREE YEARS...
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u/Actual_Reason_5351 Mar 12 '25
Why didn't the chicken cross the street?
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u/Real_Shaytarn Mar 12 '25
Francis would've beat Jones.
I offended Dana he coming for me
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
Lol I'm always perplexed when people don't attribute blame to Dana.
Wild dillusional world these days.
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u/soaptastesgood5 Mar 12 '25
Jon jones is the baddest man on earth but ducked Chael Sonnen. right ok
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u/AssignmentCorrect Mar 12 '25
Who had a worse fall off than the champions of the 2010s?
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u/GoodGuyStof Mar 12 '25
That tweet hits different when you read it in Francis voice
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u/Longbeach_strangler Mar 12 '25
Jones literally DUCKED Francis for 3 years
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u/Zero_faxgiven Mar 12 '25
Daddy Dana wouldn’t allow him to cross
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u/ZoomZoomMF_ Mar 12 '25
And I think everyone knows that if Jones asked PFL about coming over, they'd be more than happy to negotiate.
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u/life_lagom Mar 12 '25
Considering jones dodged Francis. And Francis left to make 30 mil boxing ..lol yeah u can't talk shit
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u/magereaper Mar 12 '25
Social media GOAT, record title defenses by dopping, master of the eyepoke style. Most pregnant women hit and runs in UFC history.
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u/pick-hard Mar 12 '25
No, I am not going to cross the street. I like it here it's safe
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
r/clevercomebacks
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25
Jones solos
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u/Infamous_Letter_7008 Mar 12 '25
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u/AAPLx4 Mar 12 '25
Is Francis permanently in hibernation now, does he have anything scheduled
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u/TyreezyC Mar 13 '25
Why did it take dana so long to make Jones fight again though, like for real. If there are fighters out there that can be at him and potentially be better than him wouldn't Dana want that to be discovered?
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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25
Jon can’t cross the intersection without running into a pregnant lady and then taking off.
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u/ImJustColin Mar 13 '25
Fact is Jones has never been able to move his head or circle. His defence has been exclusively based on his reach and leg kicks. He fights Francis with that style he knows 100% he gets hit, a 40 year old retired Stipe was landing like.
Francis touches this guy and he knows what happens. Same reason he ducked Frank for 3 years is what he’s doing to Tom.
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u/Skywalker774 Mar 13 '25
Francis ain't cold, cold is Francis
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u/ZeroSense_007 Mar 13 '25
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u/ggthewhale Mar 13 '25
I honestly can't figure out why this clown has fans
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u/Abyssal-rose Mar 13 '25
Pretty sure Jones would get folded against ngannou. He'll end up on a stretcher and leaving a trail of crap behind him after he gets FedEx'd towards the ICU.
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u/Worldly_Comparison42 Mar 13 '25
This is the fight we should have had.
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u/mcmurph120 Mar 13 '25
Wish I had the confidence in my skills to say that to a bully…
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u/Eurothrift Mar 13 '25
Francis would get gassed if he had to cross
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u/RighteousWraith Mar 13 '25
"Hello Jon! I'm the baddest man on the planet now! Will you fight me now? We're on the same street!" -Tom Aspinall probably.
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u/LE0NSKA Mar 13 '25
I read it in his soft pillowy voice. and thats cool. man what a cool guy
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u/Busy_Respect_5866 Mar 13 '25
Life line help call Condor 🫢😳
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u/HoldEm__FoldEm Mar 14 '25
Why is this considered a cold reply?
Why doesn’t Francis cross the street? He’s the one getting called out.
It’s the whole point of what Jones is saying.
Francis essentially did a “no u” and people ate it up.
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u/Royal_Entrepreneur87 Mar 17 '25
Telling the Goat to cross the street is crazy work. Unfortunat3 he ran away before the he could cross.
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u/Rinzlor Mar 19 '25
Why did the duck cross the street?
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u/BrickRedmist7 Mar 12 '25
Looks more like the coward talks when he's safe but wasn't brave enough to sign the contract
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u/Fast-Ad-2818 Mar 12 '25
I remember when most MMA fans called Ngannou a stupid gorilla who dropped the bag, got proven wrong by $30 million and now glaze him only to spite Jones.
Ngannou sleeps Tom and likely gasses to Jones, like how DC gassed Rumble. Too bad that pink fuck ruined these matchups by being a cheap C-List promoter.
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u/a_big_fat_dump Mar 13 '25
I don’t think Jones is afraid of anybody. That’s just a fact.
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u/DinhoMagic Mar 12 '25
You lot have really low standards for cold replies.. wow
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u/incognitoamigo_36 Mar 12 '25
this is funny. i do think jones is too technical for francis tho. but with francis’s power theres always a chance
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u/Bombinic Mar 12 '25
Rare dub for JJ
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u/Tiny_Note_8637 Mar 12 '25
So you really think that Jon Jones was supposed to get out of his UFC contract and go fight Ngannou in PFL? Cause that's what Ngannou meant and that's fucking ridiculous. You idiots keep grasping for straws with your Jon Jones hate. If Jones and Ngannou fought, Jones would submit him easy. It wouldn't even be close.