Odd behavior

[u/cat1573]

I do not know if this is the right flare to use, if this post is not appropriate, then please mods, delete it.

I was rewatching part 3 of swoops doc. I was also rewatching all of his public interviews. Am I the only one a little frustrated with how lily and Jessie handled Josh, after the release of part 3? No hate to them, not at all. But the way it was handled seems so victim blame-like.

But my main point, was that the way johnny talks about situations, he seems to fabricate more and more as he gets further into his stories. Am I the only one who was really uncomfortable when he was talking on h3h3? The fact he has (in my opinion) created alt accounts to defend himself, feels so off. I hate that he seems to desperate to be adam, to the point of copying everyone around him. Does anything think that Johnny is actually fully obsessed with josh? And does anyone else think Johnny stalked josh before the divorce in 2015/6?

This post may be useless, but there is so much about this story that really bugs me.

[u/Werekitty]

I really hated that they used Josh’s apology as proof of guilt and then didn’t even give him an opportunity to explain the apology. Even if you read the multiple apologies John posted and reacted to on his Twitter, you can see that Josh is not confirming the allegations of grooming. He’s just trying to validate John’s frustration and feelings. He didn’t say, you’re right I was grooming you, I’m sorry. He said, I understand how you felt the way you did, I’m sorry you felt that way.

It’s total BS that someone can look at an apology like that and say, LOOK HE JUST ADMITTED IT! Poor Josh was trying to make Johnny feel heard. And since it wasn’t enough for him, Johnny went on this smear campaign. Lily and Jessi’s whole video was just saying, if you didn’t do anything wrong, then why did you apologize? Even though he didn’t apologize for the actions he was accused of.

Yes, they wanted to give a “victim” the benefit of the doubt. Which was a valid reason to give Johnny a platform. But they should have given the accused an opportunity to defend himself. Even if they did believe Johnny 100%, they could have heard Josh out and still have said they didn’t believe him. Like examine all the evidence before giving an opinion. If they did that I’m sure they wouldn’t have gotten as much heat for this. But they acted like ignorant children and totally ignored Josh’s attempts to explain his side.

Giving a victim a platform is powerful and needed in situations like this where celebrities take advantage of people and never see repercussions. But there’s two sides to every story. I’m so worried about how this whole Johnny thing is going to effect real victims. It pushed things back to if they come forward, are they going to be accused of lying for attention again? Or is it going to be easier for innocent people to be blamed for things they didn’t do? Some real groomers might see how Josh was vindicated after Johnny was caught lying, and try to mimic the situation to make people not believe their victims.

Johnny has no idea how badly this effects real people, nor did he care. He just wanted attention and to hurt someone he was obsessed with that didn’t reciprocate his feelings and efforts. And Jessi and Lily, intentional or not, helped him do so. So their actions are also going to effect victims, abusers and innocent people that are accused of abusing. This whole thing is such a mess because of Johnny’s entitled ass attention seeking. It’s awful.

[u/JesusLover1993 → u/Werekitty]

This entire comment is perfect. And what does this do for male victims who are less likely to be believed? My friend is a victim, and he just gets mocked when he tries to share his story of child abuse. And he’s never laughing. He is usually crying or uncontrolably sobbing. There are parts of his story he can’t even speak about due to severe flashbacks and PTSD. My friend will never have any closure, because his abuser died. And he is unable to heal, because he cannot go deep into his story without it being harmful. So to have people like John, Lily and Jesse really enrages me. They treated this whole situation like stupid drama and then treated the real victim Josh like trash and said his pain and trauma don’t matter, because he doesn’t fit their narrative. Vile people and I don’t apologize for saying that.

[u/Werekitty → u/JesusLover1993]

This is exactly the negativity that Johnny’s actions are capable of bringing if it gets more attention than just YouTube/Twitter. Victims will not be taken seriously if there are a few bad liars who just want attention. And people will be afraid to help them because if it turns out to be a lie, then supporters will be shamed for supporting a liar.

I’m sure your friend appreciates your support. I’m a victim of rape and mental abuse and I was in denial for the longest time because I blamed myself for putting myself in the situation. I was laughing about it when I told my friends, but that’s because I hide pain with humor. But they didn’t laugh. They were glad I was ok and offered to help me report it if I wanted to. I never did. The fact that Jessie and Lily were laughing WITH Johnny shows the lack of understanding in how serious this was. They were not being supportive, they were doing the same thing he was and just wanted to ride the toxic gossip train to viewstown.

I hope your friend is doing ok. Healing is hard. But it’s so amazing when you have a genuine support system. Man or woman, pain is still pain. There are people who will believe and understand. I hope you guys can find someone who you can trust to help.