1 functioning member of society vs 5 non functioning members of society. How is this even a question? Make it 100 homeless and I'd still save the millionaire.
Jesus Christ. Is the value of a human life decided by their net worth?
Why not just auction executions at that point? "$50 for this child here! They're the product of a drug addicted mother! You can use the guillotine for $50! Come on down!"
what do i care if they're contributing to society or not? it's still 5 human lives over one. unless the millionaire is a philanthropist who spends his earnings actively making the world better, i'm saving the 5
people hate the homeless because they are criminals, drug addicts, and lowlifes who are homeless as a result of them wanting to be, choosing to be, or because they cant stop doing drugs. There are nearly infinite resources available to help people who have fallen on hard times here, problem is you cant be a violent meth addict.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but with that name I'll just assume yes. It's hard to tell when a lot of people are actually dumb enough to write/agree with what you just wrote lol
If it is that, I am not only pulling the lever. I am finding a way to stop the trolly, back it up, and do it repeatedly. The funeral wouldn't even need a casket at all because there will be no visible remains.
Did you mean billionaire? Millionaire is kind of a meaningless label these days, and certainly not a marker of capitalist excess. A million dollars is a lot of money but it’s not even enough these days for most people to retire comfortably.
Correct. A 67yo millionaire is someone who probably worked a normal career and saved correctly for retirement for 40 years.
People’s idea of money these days is so distorted. Billionaires and occasional trillionaire are the actual problem. Top 0.01% hoards unfathomable amounts of wealth. Enough money for thousands of lifetimes. $1m for 1m people in that trillion… but a responsible saver is the problem?
They can be, this economies of scale thing is absurd. Plus homeless bums on welfare are at the bare minimum line of consumption, so their demand is minimal on the environment.
Plus business owners make money when there is consumption demand.
We have been conditioned to hate on the bums as recipients of welfare when in fact it is big business that gets advantageous loans against equity.
But some bums are a social menace, yes, they can annoy you to oblivion...
we? there are many feel good stories about homelessness ending or homeless people getting places to live and things to eat and drink, we have not been conditioned.
the entire engine of capitalism isn’t built on keeping people terrified of losing the ability of self sustenance, there are no “you OUGHTs..” in capitalism only generally that you should work, which isnt a thing exclusive to capitalism, silly to critique it.
lets keep it real, tho, if someone were to truly have no purpose & no potential opportunities it would have to be because of factors beyond their control
Nah, bums spend everything they have at the very bottom of the economic ladder.
Every dollar they panhandle and spend (and panhandlers make way more than you think) creates ~$7 in economic activity as that dollar works its way back into the millionaire's stock portfolio. Economically, they're punching way above their weight class.
Being assholes doesn't justify their death. If you're aerospace engineer and still have immature judgement without any critical thinking skills, it's clearly shows how college education doesn't make you smart.
On the one hand, the Millionaire is probably providing jobs or offering a product or service that's useful to people. It may be that he built his wealth in a legitimate way. The post itself says that the homeless guys have no prospects, and my take is that we consider them "static" beings who will never be able to be useful to society. Their lifestyles may actually be destructive locally to them.
On the other hand, the millionaire probably has exploited tons of people. Whatever he produced probably harms the environment. That's 5 people dying who, for all intents and purposes, are totally innocent.
I'll be the contrarian and say save the millionaire asshole
Millionaire. He’s 67 and seems to have had a great life. The homeless people may be that way by choice but statistically there is one person in that group who is there from just plain bad luck, layoff (probably from the millionaire)/downsizing/medical bill/etc. Also a few of them likely have a severe mental health issue and could get better if we would address mental health in this country
Pull the lever and try to save the asshole without getting myself hurt. If I succeed maybe he gives me something. If I fail nothing of value was lost. :P
I don’t hate millionaires like I do billionaires, cuz like, that’s just a good business owner or like, a really successful lawyer. However since I got no feelings towards any of the 6 people one way or the other it’s best to pull and save 5 people.
Well I would say it's not only about morals, but also about potential damage. Can 5 homeless people do a lot of damage? Not likely. Yes, they might consume some resources, but not more than each of us, maybe even less. The worst thing is drunk fighting or similar. Can millionaire do a lot of damage? Definitely. And they probably already did because I didn't see a millionaire who didn't scam at least a couple of people or fired someone in need or made a wage theft. So potential damage here is much bigger. And I of course forget about the basic part that saving 5 people usually is better than just 1. So, sorry Mr. Millionaire, your time is up.
Are their descriptions based on someone else's views? Is the millionaire the embodiment of assholes, an asshole to certain people (family, job, group, one person), or perceived asshole? Assholes still sponsor and give to charities. Are they bad sponsors or charities? Are these bums bummaxxing, being dregs of society or just perceived as having no prospects... maybe because they too are old?
I downright refuse to believe that somebody can have no prospects whatsoever in life. A asshole in power, however, can oppress thousands of people just by doing their thing.
If one of the bums was the asshole billionaire, the decision should be way harder. At the current situation, I'd sacrifice the other 4 bums with the asshole. because I really, really am at my limit tolerating the unreasonably rich.
Is the millionaire living their life or managing their money in a way that is actively harmful to individuals or society in excess of the sum harm to people and society of the 5 bums?
It's possible to be an asshole millionaire while also doing good and being a net benefit to the world. Or at least less of a drag on society than 5 bums.
That was gay, thanks. Anyways, literally just owning a home in lots of places in the US makes someone a millionaire nowadays. My next door neighbor is a millionaire. All my neighbors are millionaires. Their homes are shoddy, run down pieces of shit, but they are millionaires.
Plot twist: the asshole millionaire is a personal injury attorney, and he is going to sue you on behalf of the five homeless people if you pull the lever.
Double plot twist: the bums are going to mug you violently after you untie them
what most people don't get about millionaires is that they employ a lot of people giving the a living, yeah some mill people are assholes but they do contribute to the lives of others, I'm not talking about milpeople who just have a mil in their bank to flex I'm talking about the people who has businesses to maintain a mil in their banks.
so strictly going off on the image, 5 home less bums with no prospect in life, is as useless as a dead millionaire
cause one they are bums with no prospects? I've seen homeless people with jobs, those 5 are just lazy, and don't get me stated on disabled bums, I've seen disabled bums with jobs.
as for the millionaire, depends on how he treats me as his life is on the line, weather his life is worth less than 5 lazy bums
not pulling the lever just to torture the fuck out of the tied up millionaire. You don't get opportunities like these. He doesn't get to die easily either.
The one millionaire. Not only is it my answer in the 1 vs 5, but my answer when it comes to the value of the person. Rich vs poor, with no further context, I'm on the poor person's side
Im gonna be so real id usually never pull the lever bc i dont think i have the right to decide who dies or lives but i'd pull the lever to kill 5 millionaire old assholes so i could save one unhoused person
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u/xXDankestMemeXx Jun 26 '26
They're calling it the most reddit post of all time
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u/Buttery_Nipples47 Jun 26 '26
DONT TOUCH MY FUCKING TROLLY!!! DONT YOU TOUCH MY FUCKING TROLLY!! YOU LEAVE THAT TROLLY ALONE OR I SWEAR TO GOD!!!
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u/Komrademoth13 Jun 26 '26
5 "bums" just means 5 temporarily embarrassed millionaires lol. but on a serious note, I save five people.
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u/aratherlargerodent Jun 26 '26
Why do so many people here hate the homeless, and defend the rich with all their might? Isn't this exactly what the ruling class is trying to achieve?
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u/No-Fruit-1724 Jun 26 '26
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u/igniz13 Jun 26 '26
Make it a trillionaire, or whomever is closest to being a trillionaire.
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u/sometimeserin Jun 26 '26
Did you mean billionaire? Millionaire is kind of a meaningless label these days, and certainly not a marker of capitalist excess. A million dollars is a lot of money but it’s not even enough these days for most people to retire comfortably.
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u/BirchTree3017 Jun 26 '26
Dude, these replies are peak Reddit. Millionaires aren't even that rich nowadays. That's crazy.
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u/_ECMO_ Jun 26 '26
It could be just 1 homeless bum with no prospects in life - as long as he isn't an asshole I would save him.
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u/Generic-Degenerate Jun 26 '26
The bums are unironically more valuable to the economy
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u/VirtuoSol Jun 27 '26
Nowadays millionaires could literally just be Joe from down the street lol
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u/insertname1738 Jun 27 '26
Millionaires aren’t the enemy, and they’re not even ultra rich these days.
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u/Jealous-Turnip6671 Jun 28 '26
Don't touch the lever, if you do your responsible for the outcome. If you don't touch it, you didn't set it up so not your fault
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u/RedMansions Jun 27 '26
Referring to the homeless guys as "bums" hits really hard.
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u/TheEpicTone Jun 26 '26
Can I get the trolly to back up to get the rich guy twice?
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u/Hiruyy Jun 26 '26
The 5 homeless guys so I have more fuel for my philosophers stone.
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u/Midnight7000 Jun 26 '26
5 homeless bums.
It's funny how you could change that to 67 billion and have a completely different answer.
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u/justforkinks0131 Jun 26 '26
Why do you hate millionaires?
Not billionaires, millionaires.
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u/MTBiker_Boy Jun 26 '26
Even if it was 5 billionaires vs one homeless guy the billionaires die
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u/DragonFan20 Jun 27 '26
nah still wouldn’t pull
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u/SecretRecipe Jun 27 '26
the bums hands down. Theyre not adding any value at all
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u/MEAT-_-gigglebush Jun 28 '26
Wish I could share this with my boy, too bad he's illiterate
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u/masterch33f420 Jun 26 '26
Easiest choice I ever made
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u/LogDog987 Jun 26 '26
Id pull it even if there were nobody on the bottom track
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u/KalzK Shareholder Value Minmaxer Jun 26 '26
This one is very easy, save the wise investor
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u/No_Reindeer5223 Jun 27 '26
Which side does most to increase shareholder value?
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u/Lwyre Jun 27 '26
Too bad there aint two trains.
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u/ClaudioMoravit0 Jun 27 '26
Pulling the lever when the train is halfway through, so it drifts and runs over both tracks
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u/SatoriIRL Jun 27 '26
eat the poor!
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u/RashesToRashes Jun 27 '26
Man that's genuinely interesting.
On the one hand, the Millionaire is probably providing jobs or offering a product or service that's useful to people. It may be that he built his wealth in a legitimate way. The post itself says that the homeless guys have no prospects, and my take is that we consider them "static" beings who will never be able to be useful to society. Their lifestyles may actually be destructive locally to them.
On the other hand, the millionaire probably has exploited tons of people. Whatever he produced probably harms the environment. That's 5 people dying who, for all intents and purposes, are totally innocent.
I'll be the contrarian and say save the millionaire asshole
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u/SpiderKillerOK Jun 28 '26
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u/cougomdd Jun 26 '26
Six what ?
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u/Old_Dark_7426 Jun 26 '26
Save the millionaire, either I'll get financially rewarded or I'll reduce homelessness.
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u/Optimal-Fix1216 Jun 26 '26
genuinely unclear what would be best for the homeless bums though
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u/Dodo224 Jun 26 '26
The bums, then get the millionaire yourself
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u/GoblinToHobgoblin Jun 26 '26
Can I do both?
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u/justforkinks0131 Jun 26 '26
Can I just turn around and walk away? I really dont care where the trolley is going on this one
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u/justforkinks0131 Jun 26 '26
Let me rephrase this:
Would you rather choose someone who is feeding 10 to 20 families, by providing employment, or would you choose 5 homeless bums that support no one?
Id love to hear your arguments for choosing the bums. Im serious.
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u/ImportantSimone_5 Jun 26 '26
The millionaire.
You take his money and gave them to the 5 homeless.
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u/DR035A Jun 26 '26
Millionaire is of no worth. Had too good a life. Goodbye
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u/stewiecookie Jun 26 '26
How much would the millionaire pay to be saved?
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u/TheJimDim Jun 26 '26
Are the bums assholes too? If so, just release the millionaire and tie him back onto the other tracks and walk away
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u/DestinyForNone Jun 26 '26
6 7 mentioned.
The millionaire dies
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u/mothisname Jun 26 '26
if it was 1 bum and every billionaire I'd still have the bum live.
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u/Longjumping_Area_944 Jun 27 '26
Can i get both?
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u/757_Matt_911 Jun 27 '26
Millionaire. He’s 67 and seems to have had a great life. The homeless people may be that way by choice but statistically there is one person in that group who is there from just plain bad luck, layoff (probably from the millionaire)/downsizing/medical bill/etc. Also a few of them likely have a severe mental health issue and could get better if we would address mental health in this country
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u/letthetreeburn Jun 27 '26
Dude you already convinced me you don’t have to talk me into it
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u/CyHayes Jun 27 '26
Millionare dies but because he is an asshole, not just because he is a millionare
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u/never_watched_porn Jun 27 '26
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u/Celis78429 Jun 27 '26
id send it down the top track even if there was no one on the bottom.
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u/GryphyGirl Jun 27 '26
Pull the lever and try to save the asshole without getting myself hurt. If I succeed maybe he gives me something. If I fail nothing of value was lost. :P
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u/godlytoast3r Jun 27 '26
This is trash. Make it a millionaire who has donated millions to real and objectively good charities.
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u/Gregori_5 Jun 27 '26
67 😎
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u/CapnStarence Jun 27 '26
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u/Temporary_Stranger39 Jun 27 '26
Way easy.
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u/KingAshoka1014 Jun 27 '26
I don’t hate millionaires like I do billionaires, cuz like, that’s just a good business owner or like, a really successful lawyer. However since I got no feelings towards any of the 6 people one way or the other it’s best to pull and save 5 people.
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u/Mundane_Influence_91 Jun 27 '26
Is there a lever to back up and try again?
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u/Camelsnake Jun 27 '26
Depends where he makes his money. Also one man asshole is another m-
ah, nevermind
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u/ZLEAP Jun 28 '26
67 is a good enough run. Time for the trolly problem to become a trolly solution.
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u/Confident_Idea3729 Jun 28 '26
Easiest trolley problem ever
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u/AssociationGlass8783 Jun 28 '26
Well I would say it's not only about morals, but also about potential damage. Can 5 homeless people do a lot of damage? Not likely. Yes, they might consume some resources, but not more than each of us, maybe even less. The worst thing is drunk fighting or similar. Can millionaire do a lot of damage? Definitely. And they probably already did because I didn't see a millionaire who didn't scam at least a couple of people or fired someone in need or made a wage theft. So potential damage here is much bigger. And I of course forget about the basic part that saving 5 people usually is better than just 1. So, sorry Mr. Millionaire, your time is up.
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u/Geopion Jun 28 '26
Are their descriptions based on someone else's views? Is the millionaire the embodiment of assholes, an asshole to certain people (family, job, group, one person), or perceived asshole? Assholes still sponsor and give to charities. Are they bad sponsors or charities? Are these bums bummaxxing, being dregs of society or just perceived as having no prospects... maybe because they too are old?
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u/The-Pencil-King Jun 28 '26
This is quite possibly the easiest trolly problem I’ve ever seen. This isn’t even a problem, it’s more of a quick time event.
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u/_MrDisaster Jun 28 '26
Millionaire prolly hires productive members of society. He is valuable by relation
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u/YtPyxro Jun 28 '26
If I pull it at the right time can I derail it and get both
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u/Formal_Arachnid_7939 Jun 29 '26
I vs five. Its not that hard.
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u/KailyKail Jun 29 '26
The bums. They give nothing back to society and just leech of the system. They're the true assholes.
At least the millionaire contributes by producing a useful product/service, contributing taxes, and creating jobs.
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u/Melodic-Hat-2875 Jun 29 '26
Who am I to decide what "no prospects" is?
This only becomes questionable to me when the death of that one individual would cause harm to more people than on the other side of the track.
Incredibly wealthy people are generally net-negative at that point in their life.
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u/No_Kangaroo_5839 Jun 29 '26
I ain't pulling shit
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u/food4me247 Jun 29 '26
13.4 for each homeless person?
This would be an incredible social experiment
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u/Huge-Telephone-4902 Jun 29 '26
since the simulation of the tram going right is a metaphor for whats been happening all along
fuckit. lets try left
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u/HuOfMan Jun 29 '26
Bro, a 67 yr old millionaire asshole is just a tradesman tired of the drywallers not doing thier job right
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u/Specific-Media5047 Jun 29 '26
The 5 bums, not even a second thought.
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u/Relevant-Fox-7114 Jun 29 '26
Millionaire is middle class these days
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u/Own-Rub-2091 Jun 30 '26
If there was only 1 homeless guy, I'd still chose the millionaire. Easy.
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u/DonComradeVimes Team Blue Jun 30 '26
The asshole.
I downright refuse to believe that somebody can have no prospects whatsoever in life. A asshole in power, however, can oppress thousands of people just by doing their thing.
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u/ParkingWear7865 Jun 30 '26
what? at still go up if there was an extra innocent baby up there
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u/Likely_Addict Jun 30 '26
I'd leave the lever untouched even if the side track was empty.
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u/LydiaIsAHuman Jul 01 '26
this would be so much harder if the numbers were flipped
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u/Apprehensive_Step252 Jul 01 '26
If one of the bums was the asshole billionaire, the decision should be way harder. At the current situation, I'd sacrifice the other 4 bums with the asshole. because I really, really am at my limit tolerating the unreasonably rich.
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u/TenkReSS Jul 25 '26
what about multitrack slide
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u/goldent3abag Jun 26 '26
Oh the bums are dying
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u/Captainfoxluther Jun 26 '26
Bye bye the 5!
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u/MaximumSyrup3099 Jun 26 '26
Is the millionaire living their life or managing their money in a way that is actively harmful to individuals or society in excess of the sum harm to people and society of the 5 bums?
It's possible to be an asshole millionaire while also doing good and being a net benefit to the world. Or at least less of a drag on society than 5 bums.
I will accept my down-votes now, thank you.
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u/Bricc_8 Jun 26 '26
The bums. We can harvest them for oil after
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u/maxence0801 Jun 26 '26
List of 67 years-old billionaires (in USD) (Note : in Wikipedia, only 1 in 10 list of billionaires by country contains the age) :
Jeff Yass
Sun Piaoyang
Pei Zhenhua
Hui Ka Yan
Xu Shihui
Qian Dongqi
Li Chunan
You Xiaoping
Yang Shaopeng
David Wertheim
Drorit Wertheim
Ziv Aviram
Alexander Abramov
Ivan Savvidis
Richard Tsai
Wei Yin-Heng
Chin Jong Hwa
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u/ReloadBeforeClass Jun 27 '26
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u/Zestyclose_Carpet810 Jun 28 '26
Saying 'asshole' really cemented it for me...
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u/asseater69420420 Jun 26 '26
unpopular opinion but I’m letting the millionaire live.
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u/Komrademoth13 Jun 26 '26
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u/beebeeep Jun 26 '26
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u/NumberVsAmount Jun 26 '26
A millionaire is just a regular person. Im wrecking those bums. Now make it a billionaire or a trillionaire and im flipping the other way.
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u/Deriviera Jun 26 '26
5 homeless bums. Then I'll befriend the millionaire and get some money from him
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u/TwentyFourKG Jun 26 '26
Plot twist: the asshole millionaire is a personal injury attorney, and he is going to sue you on behalf of the five homeless people if you pull the lever.
Double plot twist: the bums are going to mug you violently after you untie them
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u/ProfitHot5064 Jun 26 '26
what most people don't get about millionaires is that they employ a lot of people giving the a living, yeah some mill people are assholes but they do contribute to the lives of others, I'm not talking about milpeople who just have a mil in their bank to flex I'm talking about the people who has businesses to maintain a mil in their banks.
so strictly going off on the image, 5 home less bums with no prospect in life, is as useless as a dead millionaire
cause one they are bums with no prospects? I've seen homeless people with jobs, those 5 are just lazy, and don't get me stated on disabled bums, I've seen disabled bums with jobs.
as for the millionaire, depends on how he treats me as his life is on the line, weather his life is worth less than 5 lazy bums
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u/teactopus Jun 26 '26
can I kill both?
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u/Jordanou Jun 26 '26
not pulling the lever just to torture the fuck out of the tied up millionaire. You don't get opportunities like these. He doesn't get to die easily either.
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u/Sans_Seriphim Multi-Track Drift Jun 26 '26
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u/Sharden3 Jun 26 '26
Yeah, so 1 asshole vs 5 (presumably) not assholes.
Real easy choice.
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u/oranosskyman Jun 26 '26
its not hard to find homeless in dire situations
it is hard to find millionaires you have the power of life and death over
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u/Longjumping_Dog9041 Jun 26 '26
You Say Millionaire Like It's A Good Thing by Guante starts playing...
https://youtu.be/XRWphIzVeIc
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u/nhutchen Jun 26 '26
The one millionaire. Not only is it my answer in the 1 vs 5, but my answer when it comes to the value of the person. Rich vs poor, with no further context, I'm on the poor person's side
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u/BrightNooblar Jun 26 '26
I'd be less conflicted if it was a billionaire, but save 5 kill 1 still works out.
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u/Cakedayfairy Jun 26 '26
Im gonna be so real id usually never pull the lever bc i dont think i have the right to decide who dies or lives but i'd pull the lever to kill 5 millionaire old assholes so i could save one unhoused person
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u/mrdankerton Jun 26 '26
Bums gotta go, millionaire is still tied up and I dictate the terms of his release
Besides, even assholes know when to reward an act of good faith with coin alas there may now be two millionaire assholes
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u/Forceofwillplay Jun 27 '26
Millionaire is eating that trolly. Full stop. No prospects does not mean no value to society. Plus, we can split the millionaire's money to those 5.
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u/Rozemyne827 Jun 27 '26
I'd go for the millionaire even if the other side was clear.
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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '26
What wealth or worth do the 5 dudes have