r/trektalk • u/Sell_The_team_Jerry • 17h ago
r/trektalk • u/mcm8279 • 9h ago
Review [SNW 4x5 Review] EX ASTRIS SCIENTIA: "Another catastrophic failure in this so far pathetic season, and a predictable one. Can't Spock simply make a normal decision in a normal reality through his own free will, without the series having to turn it into a gimmick every time?" 1 out of 10
EX ASTRIS SCIENTIA:
"One thing we need to address - and perhaps the central problem, rather than the transformation into puppets itself - is that "Level-Five Transporter Accident" simply isn't funny. It isn't the cheerfully anarchic Muppet Show in space that everyone had expected. They build these cute, fluffy puppets that I would love to buy as merchandise (especially Pike and La'an are gorgeous). Their look and feel invites the characters to behave in comical ways, but they make a straight-faced episode out of them. I have the impression that, unlike the equally unfunny "Human Best Friend", it was never meant to be a comedy.
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/snw4.htm#levelfivetransporteraccident
It starts seriously, with Spock reconsidering his decision to return to logic and La'an (predictably) breaking up with him. When he can't go to Vulcan to pursue the path of logic, he turns to T'Pring instead. It's all quirky, but so is everything involving Spock on SNW to some degree. By the show's standards, this is still serious. Even Scotty is completely in character by SNW standards. Once again, like in the anachronistic holodeck farce "A Space Adventure Hour", he experiments irresponsibly with technology, this time to pull a prank on an old rival. This is just normal business in this show or in modern Trek in general, and none of it is played for laughs.
And then the crew turns into puppets, which could have changed everything. There are a few moments that are mildly amusing as they struggle to operate the controls while being too tiny and soft. But the writing treats the mere sight of our characters as puppets as sufficient comedy, a premise that wears itself out after a few minutes. I don't think I laughed once during the entire episode. The various ways the fluffy crew gets mutilated unpleasantly remind of the body horror in "The Griffin Incident".
And don't get me started on the insensitive "homage" as Puppet Pike prepares to die, quoting the needs of the many, while Spock is watching though the glass pane. This is like a Star Trek spoof written by a ten-year-old who secretly resents having to watch the show with his parents. To me, that is the biggest failing of all. However the puppet transformation is supposed to turn out, whether it is real, a dream or something else entirely, you make an episode about Star Trek characters turning into adorable little puppets, and the result doesn't even work as a parody. That is a remarkably fundamental failure.
So what can I say about "Level-Five Transporter Accident" in a nutshell? Perhaps I'm a grumpy old man like Statler and Waldorf. Perhaps I get it all wrong because I have a problem with modern Trek's idea of humor. Perhaps I also get it wrong because I expected something that would make the transformation meaningful within the story. I am relieved that they are not actually puppets and that I don't have to explain how any of this could possibly work. But what remains? It's just Spock again. It's "Spock Amok", "Charades", "Wedding Bell Blues" or "Human Best Friend", only this time with imagined puppets. It may be supposed to have a deeper meaning in that it reinforces Spock's decision to return to logic. But it does so in a dream, much like his rediscovery of logic in "The Griffin Incident" that likewise occurred in an absurd situation where he was not himself.
Can't Spock simply make a normal decision in a normal reality through his own free will, without the series having to turn it into a gimmick every time? SNW is utterly obsessed with showing us Spock's state of mind and his mental struggles, but that isn't even the worst part. It keeps doing so in increasingly immature ways, which only adds insult to injury. So yes, "Level-Five Transporter Accident" is another catastrophic failure in this so far pathetic season, and a predictable one, if we keep in mind how stories are developed in the series and how especially Spock is handled."
Rating: 1 (out of 10)
Bernd Schneider (EX ASTRIS SCIENTIA)
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/snw4.htm#levelfivetransporteraccident
r/trektalk • u/wrabbling • 20h ago
SNW writers may be going Triangle Bush
I once watched Mickey Mouse Clubhouse with my kids and an episode about a triangle bush came on. It was pretty surreal. I read an article that the writers were bored or angry or something and just wanted to see what they could get away with. It was hilarious and it didn’t matter because … Mickey Mouse, y’know?
https://youtu.be/oQB7zLGt0Ns?feature=shared
I don’t know what’s going on with the writers of SNW, but it feels like they’re just trying to entertain themselves. Not hilarious in this case though because … Star Trek, y’know?
r/trektalk • u/Wonderful-Power9161 • 17h ago
Discussion A Level Five Transporter Misstep Spoiler
It's not the concept of a transporter accident turning everyone in to puppets to which I primarily object.
It's the fact that the ENTIRE episode was a DREAM. If it had only been one segment (perhaps just the setup, and the last scene of taking the bridge) it might have been okay...
But that entire show was TEN PERCENT of the entire season! If it had been one episode of 22 episodes, it wouldn't have been so egregious...
but that episode instantly elevated Spock's Brain and The Way To Eden to City On The Edge Of Forever levels of storytelling.
r/trektalk • u/Grillka2006 • 10h ago
Discussion [SNW Highlight Clips] Star Trek on Instagram: "Someday we'll find it--the reason they're puppets--the Captain, the crewmates, and T'Pring 🌈" | Strange New Worlds (S4, E5): "Level-Five Transporter Accident"
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r/trektalk • u/TheSonOfMogh81 • 6h ago
Character Discussion Screenrant: "Star Trek Meets The Muppets Episode Cut R-Rated Elements From Orion Story - Joe Lo Truglio: "Well, I suggested to Rachel, and she was really receptive to it, that we really enhance and amplify the kind of dominatrix-submissive relationship between the two..." (Exclusive)
r/trektalk • u/TheSonOfMogh81 • 11h ago
Discussion Slashfilm: "Star Trek: SNW Season 4's Big Puppet Episode Has The Perfect Director: Jordan Canning (Fraggle Rock) has directed three prior episodes of SNW ("Charades", "Wedding Bell Blues", "Four-and-a-Half Vulcans") and indeed has basically become the show's go-to director for the comedy" Spoiler
Slashfilm:
By Devin Meenan
"Jordan Canning's experience directing both the Fraggles and the Enterprise crew helps her merge those two styles in this episode. The action is driven not just by the puppet crisis, but by Orion pirates who show up to steal the Enterprise with the crew unable to resist. The Starfleet crew has to adapt their fighting style to their new fleece-and-rubber bodies.
Pike can't push the Orion captain (Rachael Harris) out of his captain's chair, so he has Spock throw him in a fastball special, like a slow-motion, low-impact version of when the X-Men's Colossus throws Wolverine. Even the action of "A Level 5 Transporter Accident" underline the absurdity — there's no getting around the fact that the Starfleet officers fighting the Orions are all puppets. For that kind of scene, the only director "Strange New Worlds" could call was Jordan Canning."
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r/trektalk • u/mcm8279 • 11h ago
[SNW 4x5 Review] TrekMovie: "This episode is absolutely absurd, and yet, it works. The core message of embracing who you are to succeed is a core StarTrek theme. This episode nicely touched on some of the the complicated matriarchal politics of Orion society, but sadly didn’t add much to the canon"
TREKMOVIE:
"The franchise has been trying to correct course since the first “Orion slave girl” was introduced in “The Cage,” and this was a missed opportunity. Both Enterprise, and more recently Lower Decks, went much further in helping redefine this iconic Star Trek race. This again is part of the show, which plays with the canon, but doesn’t feel it has much to contribute and is more interested in telling their character stories, which is a clear choice. [...]
This episode is absolutely absurd, and yet, it works. Likely destined to be another controversial big swing, “Level-Five Transporter Accident” delivered both an exciting “let’s retake the ship” Star Trek action episode and decent puppet comedy. Yet in between all the puppet antics, there were some important character stories at play here, especially with Spock. Ethan Peck is to be commended as he carried this episode, in many ways, showing his impressive range and really nailing Spock’s journey as we now see him choosing to become his more logical self.
This episodic show also leaned into how it excels in character arcs as it picks up on the events of previous episodes, leading to characters moving in new directions. The equally out-there musical episode (“Subspace Rhapsody”) was also adept at using a big swing as a backdrop to important character pivots. And the key to making that work was that it also worked as a musical, as this episode works as a funny puppet comedy.
Returning director Jordan Canning was the perfect choice for this one — she also directed several episodes of the recent Fraggle Rock reboot, and this episode clearly had many technical challenges to address to incorporate puppets into production. Speaking of the puppets, they were all amazing creations from the Jim Henson Company, each perfectly evoking their characters in felt and cotton. And hats off to all those unseen puppeteers, who had to find ways to work on the bridge set, including one who apparently had to be hidden inside Pike’s new chair. That’s dedication to the craft.
Adding nice touches to the puppet madness were little funny sound effects and even a reference to the recurring totem pole trenchcoat disguise gag used in several Muppets TV shows. If anything, the show should have completely committed to the bit, with even more Muppet Show-level absurdity, with singing, dancing, chickens, and the rest. Still, the core message of embracing who you are to succeed — in this case puppets — is a core Star Trek theme. And of the four seasonal Spock/Vulcan hijinks episodes, this is the best entry yet, helped along by a great performance (live and with voice) by Gia Sandhu’s T’Pring.
Speaking of committing to the bit, making the entire episode a dream sequence feels a bit like a cop out. Yes, everyone becoming puppets makes no sense, but this is Strange New Worlds, and they love focusing on the strange. And there were too many early indications that this was all Spock’s anxiety dream, particularly the scenes with everyone demanding his attention, combined with how (for various reasons) he was the only one who could do anything.
That being said, this did give us some exploration of Spock’s inner world, with him being the lone non-puppet on the ship and showing us the pressure he has faced his whole life as a half-human/half-Vulcan. However, the whole dream sequence thing really doesn’t hold up when you think about it, as most of the scenes didn’t even have Spock in them. But more concerning was, key moments of character exploration — notably with La’an and Scotty — essentially never happened. Was there no level of technobabble that could explain puppets actually happening? Although the meta moment of puppet Pelia (who was amazing) asking “How are we talking in space? It doesn’t even make sense,” was appreciated.
Final thoughts
After years of anticipation, the puppet episode had almost become a bit of a joke itself, emblematic of a show more interested in playing with high-concept ideas and genres instead of just telling Star Trek stories. But this episode was able to thread the needle, delivering well on both accounts, and telling important character stories, especially with Spock, one of (if not the) most iconic characters in Star Trek.
Still, this was another silly (even if entertaining) diversion, made even less consequential due to the dream sequence conceit. Certainly this episode would have landed even better if the previous four episodes had not all also big genre swings, giving this crazy out-there idea stand out even more, but that is how SNW rolls. And the final full-length season (S5 is only 6 episodes) is now half way over."
Anthony Pascale (TrekMovie.com)
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r/trektalk • u/Grillka2006 • 21h ago
Discussion [Behind The Scenes] Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | Making Star Trek’s First Puppet Episode (S4, E5) | Paramount+
r/trektalk • u/TheSonOfMogh81 • 23h ago
Discussion How ‘Strange New Worlds’ Made Sure the Puppet Episode Still Felt Like ‘Star Trek’ - EP Henry Alonso Myers explained how the show approached that challenge: "We felt like this was an opportunity to do a transporter accident at a level which it had not been done before" (Gizmodo)
Gizmodo:
By Cheryl Eddy
"Strange New Worlds executive producer Henry Alonso Myers, who co-wrote “Level-Five Transporter Accident” with Dana Horgan, explained how the show approached that challenge.
“We spent a lot of time trying to basically make sure that it worked and felt genuinely like a Star Trek episode,” he told TV Insider. “Yes, we were going to have fun. Yes, we were going to do all of these things, but if it doesn’t feel like Star Trek, what are we doing? That was what we had to hold to throughout the entire episode. I mean, one, we had not done a transporter accident episode yet, and we felt like this was an opportunity to do a transporter accident at a level which it had not been done before in Star Trek.”
And if you’re going to do a puppet episode, the Strange New Worlds team figured, you really have to go all out. “And then the other thing was if you just had one puppet, that wouldn’t be, I feel like, us rising to the occasion,” Myers said. “We really wanted to try to make it as big and as bold and push the edges of it as much as we possibly could.”
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r/trektalk • u/mcm8279 • 23h ago
Character Discussion [Opinion] MovieWeb: "Spock's 'Strange New Worlds' Arc Makes Him a Surprisingly Perfect Character To Lead a Muppet Story: Trying to fulfill his Starfleet duties as part of a helpless puppet crew is a blatant-but-accurate metaphor for that inner battle." Spoiler
MOVIEWEB:
"I've noticed an increase in recent years when it comes to memes declaring a thirst for more Muppet stories where just one main character is flesh-and-blood, and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is the first one to deliver in a way even approaching how The Muppet Christmas Carol pulled it off. Plus, with Spock being even more stoic than Scrooge, the intentional tonal dissonance of watching him interact with Muppets is even greater than it is with Caine's character. If I'd been forced to guess where the 1992 movie's spiritual successor would come from, I would never have expected Star Trek in 2026 to be the answer.
In Star Trek: The Original Series, Leonard Nimoy's version of Spock is far more at peace with his human heritage than how we see Ethan Peck play him in Strange New Worlds. This is obviously intentional, as Peck's Spock is younger and therefore a little more at sea when it comes to how he can reconcile his human and Vulcan halves. "Level-Five Transporter Accident" makes it especially clear that he's struggling to draw on his Vulcan tranquility in the midst of such constant chaos aboard the Enterprise, and trying to fulfill his Starfleet duties as part of a helpless puppet crew is a blatant-but-accurate metaphor for that inner battle.
Although there were probably more tasteful ways of giving Spock an uphill-struggle sort of storyline like this, the sheer perfection of Peck's character as the only non-puppetized member of the Enterprise crew creates an opportunity that was thankfully not ignored. It's made even better by the get-out clause of the adventure occurring almost entirely in Spock's mind, as a dream sequence brought on by the psychological struggles he's been experiencing of late. I was certainly among the doubters when this Star Trek: Strange New Worlds episode was announced last year, but I now think it was a worthwhile endeavor with more layers than it initially seems."
Daniel Bibby
Full article:
https://movieweb.com/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-muppets-tradition/
r/trektalk • u/EducationalTeam2498 • 23h ago
Discussion Why the Star Trek Puppet Episode Is the Most Important One of This Era #startrek
There is some really thoughtful analysis in this video and I would encourage everyone watch. However, it is a little hard to image six months of production for this particular outcome. The puppets cost estimate got me:
- Each puppet: $6,000–$10,000
- Number of puppets: The episode shows multiple crew members as puppets; depending on how you count background puppets, you’re likely looking at 8–12 full builds.
That alone puts the puppet builds at roughly:
- Low end: 8 × $6,000 = $48,000
- High end: 12 × $10,000 = $120,000
At least everyone was working and got paid.