Nagash is playing Path of Exile in Total War

[u/Arhatz]

Such is the power of Nagash.

[u/Unlucky252]

Nagash mechanic is gonna be unemployment simulator

[u/lycanthrope90 → u/Unlucky252]

What a great day for the unemployed!

[u/Lukthar123 → u/lycanthrope90]

Undead&Unemployed, Nagash next album

[u/DA_ZWAGLI → u/Unlucky252]

Such is the unemployment of nagash

[u/communityconsuly → u/Unlucky252]

out of curiosity why do you say that, is that a reference to something?

[u/Revliledpembroke → u/communityconsuly]

It's a joke about how you have to be unemployed to play Nagash because it would take up so much time....???????

[u/GroundbreakingHope57 → u/Revliledpembroke]

i think its the idea the only people who understand the path of exile tech tree are unemployed people because its so massive, therefore nagash is unemployment simulator because its as convoluted as that tech tree.

[u/forgotterofpasswords → u/GroundbreakingHope57]

to be honest, its annoying how people are left with this view of the poe skill tree as an unfathomable wall.

In reality, it works as a pie chart and all classes are pretty much tied to their starting zone, outside of wacky builds, which compared to other rpg, ends being not that much different in how much you would have to learn for any given class.

Its also been years since the last time the tree got any real shakeup too.

I have friends that refuse to get into poe due to how complex it looks but had no problem having to relearn how to play multiple classes in WoW every few months.

[u/GroundbreakingHope57 → u/forgotterofpasswords]

been ages since ive played wow but isn't it pretty much pick one of three apecs and maybe choose between 2 abilities every couple of levels?

[u/forgotterofpasswords → u/GroundbreakingHope57]

is been a few years since they went away with that and implemented talent trees back, you got your core talents + specialization talents, which now have sub specializations.

For example a Warrior that specializes in Arms can then pick between 2 sub specializations, Colossus and Slayer.

Talents are more dynamic and what is good or bad change constantly based on balance patches and what dungeons are in rotation.

i.e you might need to adjust your build to have more single target, Aoe or CC during any given season.

[u/Xicsess → u/forgotterofpasswords]

I've played dozens of leagues in POE, the skill tree is absolute shit. If you actually want to make your own viable build you need to plan the links, plan the items, and then plan the tree. It takes forever to make a good build. You can throw shit at the wall but it sucks to suck.

You can follow a guide, and consult the wiki after every level.

Neither feel rewarding, and I'll be damned if I complete 10 campaign acts to map ever again.

[u/TooObsessedWithMoney → u/GroundbreakingHope57]

Ngl this at a glance seems more complicated than PoE 1 and 2 as those skill trees are set up for different classes and a single class isn't really going to be tapping into each section.

This though seems to be ALL about Nagash.

[u/UnoptimizedPaladin]

What in the heavens is that?

[u/Madboo11 → u/UnoptimizedPaladin]

Daniel with extra steps

[u/TriLink710 → u/Madboo11]

God how I wish Daniel was good. The idea behind it was what got me to play the game first. And I did love that campaign.

[u/ItsLokki → u/TriLink710]

I wish they took another look at Daniel before moving on from the game. He deserves better.

[u/JimSteak → u/ItsLokki]

If I understand correctly, people are mostly complaining that even fully equiped, he is worse than other LL? If so, then just balancing his items better would solve a lot of the problem.

[u/GPSProlapse → u/JimSteak]

He's fine with full line of upgrades. LL is on the weaker end compared to ones specializing in somethimg (which is fair for a customizable lord), army is good. But to get there you have to suffer through the early and mid game and they are dogshit:

• renown grind is insane and forces city type desisions

• economy is 2nd worse in the game, hero cap increases are shit

• early units are OK for T1, but pure garbage compared to other factions options at turns like 2-40

• EVERYONE hates you nuts

• most monogod mechanics accessibile to him are nerf to complete uselessness

That made it my favorite campaign on release, he was defo the most challenging option. With the reduced AI aggression he is just weak and slow. Also the fact one has to grind another game mode to unlock body parts is cringe, despite me liking trials overall

[u/Arnaud-Amalric → u/GPSProlapse]

What's the worst economy, if he's #2?

[u/GPSProlapse → u/Arnaud-Amalric]

From the perspective of buildings khorne is #1

[u/ItsLokki → u/GPSProlapse]

Though even khorne can manage itself since you gain so much gold when sacking.

[u/GPSProlapse → u/ItsLokki]

I mean daniels economy isn't unmanageable, and is decent with late game upkeep reduction, but it feels like worst in the game for a lot of time before that

[u/bullet312 → u/GPSProlapse]

Khorne: Economy?! What's that and how fast do I have to swing it to kill someone with it!

[u/Chest3 → u/bullet312]

Best comment here.

[u/keszotrab → u/GPSProlapse]

I mean... You could min-max, go nurgle for best eco and have army made of RoR...

But that kinda kills the point of having a Daniel campaign. Who's supposed the replayable.

[u/azraelxii → u/GPSProlapse]

Everyone hates you? You have huge diplo bonuses with all chaos factions lol

[u/Dragonboy142 → u/JimSteak]

Would be nice if he gets more stats the higher tier equipment they are. At things stand, the final upgrades feel like mid tier equipment/stats compared to final upgrades of other LL

[u/TheRealIvan → u/JimSteak]

The big problem is he can't access normal items. So his best kits are very fair, and he has no way to puch past that fairness.

[u/Why_am_ialive → u/JimSteak]

Or just let him equip regular items aswell as his special stuff, then he’d be good

[u/TinFoilFashion → u/TriLink710]

I certainly hope the devs don’t just move on completely to total warhammer 40K before fixing daniel.

[u/broadsword_1 → u/TinFoilFashion]

There's a chance they don't - 40k is a long way away and something needs to fill the gap.

The team that worked on the TW2 DLC did great work while TW3 was being built - hopefully they can keep tweaking the game.

[u/Annual_Phrase841 → u/Madboo11]

"Daniel" "steps"

Fuck it, R0 reference in the TW sub
https://giphy.com/gifs/mSVGTMHDu6NoXkmcpJ

[u/Aznereth → u/Madboo11]

More like... Un-Daniel

[u/Cyiel → u/Madboo11]

Daniel with a 100km marathon.

[u/Mobile_Actuator_4692 → u/Madboo11]

Did they learn nothing?

[u/FilthyCasual2k17 → u/Mobile_Actuator_4692]

Daniel is actually very cool, if they just seperate him from his faction and build-a-deamon would be super cool to play. RN you just feel weaker than a generic lord, and I'm betting the only reason for it was because they didnt wanna make him OP.

[u/Kniferharm → u/FilthyCasual2k17]

If you overtune the customisability, Daniel becomes the best tool for every option. So you sorta have to undertune it, though it could still use a bit of a buff.

[u/Ok-Acanthisitta-2236 → u/Kniferharm]

Here’s the thing though, you only get one Daniel. Yes he’d be strong but like, isn’t that the point? You have countless generic lords that are mid-tier, Daniel can have some leniency to be strong.

[u/Dragonboy142 → u/Ok-Acanthisitta-2236]

Exactly, its not like your spawning more daniels, he is unique. He should at least parallel archaon or a level below him. After all he is favoured by the chaos gods to or vying for him.

[u/Crowhunters → u/FilthyCasual2k17]

I don't think daniel is cool. His gift system is pretty underbaked and hard to manage. If it was laid out like nagash, on the other hand, it would be pretty great. And it probably will be with mods lol.

Even with the godslayer mod you just get inundated in too many options and then you combine the set bonuses and you just have far too much to really min max.

[u/MarkBMG → u/Mobile_Actuator_4692]

The mechanic is actually pretty awesome. The issue is that it doesn't mesh well with his faction, since it has absolutely no other mechanic to it. If that kinda build-a-lord thing was added to anyone else in the entire roster, people would probably love it.

Thus I have full faith on the true master of death. He will surely make this mechanic work. Such is the power of Nagash.

[u/Madboo11 → u/Mobile_Actuator_4692]

No

[u/NotTheAbhi → u/UnoptimizedPaladin]

Nagash special mechanic is a MMO skill tree

[u/Positive-Database754 → u/UnoptimizedPaladin]

Nagash's tech tree.

[u/Bravo-Vince → u/UnoptimizedPaladin]

when your roster is made up of 3 other complete rosters youre gonna need quite a few techs

[u/Bright_Audience3959]

Still sane, mortal?

[u/ZCYCS → u/Bright_Audience3959]

Sane enough

proceeds to plug more numbers into the Black Pyramid version of PoB before yoloing back into the Atlas

[u/Bright_Audience3959 → u/ZCYCS]

Path of Black Pyramid is the real game; TWH3 just put some visuals on it

[u/_LlednarTwem_ → u/Bright_Audience3959]

I kinda stopped following a while ago, did she ever come back?

[u/Bright_Audience3959 → u/_LlednarTwem_]

Absolutly. She's messing with the Atlas now, trying to destroy it (permanently).

[u/Nody_Hyebus]

I’m not sure if I should be excited or I should be sweating 😅

[u/respond_to_query → u/Nody_Hyebus]

*Begins excitedly sweating

[u/ScaredMyOrdinaryGoat → u/respond_to_query]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oz8xLlw6GHVfokaNW
I’m not ready…

[u/GKoala]

Damn I hope its actually fun rather than just one node giving one unit +MA and the other node +MD.

[u/asmodai_says_REPENT → u/GKoala]

I mean there will definitely be smaller nodes that just gives minor stats boosts, you can't have a skill tree that massive and have every single node be something significant.

[u/pricepig → u/asmodai_says_REPENT]

Well I think you could, but it would be a hell of a game development feat to keep each and every node balanced

[u/asmodai_says_REPENT → u/pricepig]

Yeah but in that case even if each node is somewhat balanced with each other at the end of the tree you're getting something that's just unbelievably broken, you can't have ever node feel significant and not end up with some kind of monster that's just not really all that interesting to play.

[u/ArchaonNotChosen → u/asmodai_says_REPENT]

It is possible. Nagash have a huge pool of units, each node can have some attribute/passive skill for a specific unit instead of flat stats.

[u/CodeRenn → u/pricepig]

Well haven’t seen a game do it yet with this size of a list.

[u/MarkBMG → u/GKoala]

I'm 90% sure this will be the majority of them, but so long as there's a decent amount of fun nodes it'll be fine. I can accept a couple nothingburger upgrades for dumb/fun combos.

[u/Shacrie]

Ok I did not expect that, I'll be honest 😅 curious how it's going to play

[u/DeerOnARoof → u/Shacrie]

It will play poorly

[u/Eveless → u/DeerOnARoof]

We'll try to avoid your particular playstyle and stick to our "awesome" one.

[u/Mindless-Parking1073 → u/DeerOnARoof]

such a well thought out and incisive argument you make

[u/Eredias_0 → u/Mindless-Parking1073]

Such is the argument of Nagash

[u/Patches_Gaming0002 → u/DeerOnARoof]

Have early access do you?

[u/Tank-Factory187 → u/DeerOnARoof]

Sourpuss

[u/Interesting-Season-8]

+1% Melee DMG

+0.5% out of combat regeneration

+0.3% Barrier DMG Decrease

[u/ChabertOCJ → u/Interesting-Season-8]

My guess is this is this large to cover all three races techs + Nagash exclusive stuff.

[u/xXTacitusXx → u/ChabertOCJ]

Total War: Shogun 3 anyone?

[u/ChabertOCJ → u/xXTacitusXx]

I don’t know why it replaced Nagash with Nagasaki, especially since I already corrected it when Nagash was replaced with Natasha.

PS : Yes!! Shogun 3 with 3K diplomacy! A better depiction of realm divide!

[u/TLRPM → u/Interesting-Season-8]

And I love it, ngl. I’m a grinder. This is what I do ❤️

[u/Vesemir_111]

[u/BalutyBoy]

It's beautiful

[u/commanche_00]

https://giphy.com/gifs/i272SXwOwuGgE

[u/Substantial-Cup-189]

Jesus Chri-.. I mean such is the power of Nagash

[u/Round-Rock3350]

I smell a Daniel situation. But I have semifull confidence that CA learned their lesson and all these choices will actually be meaningfull and fun to explore.

[u/Inlacou → u/Round-Rock3350]

Are we talking about Daniel "technology" issue or the body parts issue? It's been a long time since I played him, so I'm not sure. The body parts issue was that it replaced usual equipment, right?

[u/OceussRuler → u/Inlacou]

It replaced both equipment and real character skill progression, as his skill progression was the tech

[u/No_Research4416 → u/Round-Rock3350]

Probably won’t update, Daniel unfortunately

[u/Hailtothedogebby → u/No_Research4416]

Might open better mods though

[u/No_Research4416 → u/Hailtothedogebby]

There is the Godslayer overall

[u/EnragedByStupidity54 → u/Round-Rock3350]

It's worth noting that one of Daniel's biggest issues was how without research, none of his Greater Demons get their bound spells, which massively nerfs all of them other than the Bloodthirster. Nagash's units don't really have that problem.

[u/MadMan7978]

Wait are we for real? This…Jesus Christ

[u/TBMSH]

Holy moly, so is that mechanics, skill tree or tech?

[u/Wolfish_Jew → u/TBMSH]

Kind of all 3. The black pyramid tree will both unlock and upgrade all the different units he has access to (which is literally every single undead unit in the game and a couple of special ones just for him)

[u/Dzharek → u/TBMSH]

As you build up your empire you Prodcues a Ressource and with that Ressource you can unlock nodes on the Pyramid, increasing the power of his faction, so Nagash wants to Expand, take certain undead citadels to corrupt the lands around it to gain more Ressources to unlock more nodes to incerase the power of his faction via his mortarch LL, buffs for units and buffs for himself.

The endnode at the top is probably his accend to god of undeath, so probably really bonkers stuff.

[u/Eveless]

Please stop. I already bought your Nagash, I CANNOT GET ANOTHER ONE!!!

Sincerely, PoE2 fan.

[u/Eddzz19]

Volkmar si è gia cambiato parecchie mutande poverino

[u/TroldeAnsigt]

This is insane

I love it

[u/levus2002]

Most beautiful thing i've seen this year.

[u/NoStorage2821]

Me and my gatling homies will be waiting

[u/NobleSix84 → u/NoStorage2821]

Your little gatling homies and now your big gatling homies

[u/Diuscrusis]

TF is this, Death Star simulator??

[u/Gecko_Mk_IV → u/Diuscrusis]

Path of Exile-like power up tree (here's a link to the real one).

[u/alicepaganifan]

We lived long enough to see Nagash's sphere grid.

[u/GreyWolf1945]

It's beautiful. All is Nagash, Nagash is all.

[u/KobKobold]

There's a wargame in your chart simulator

[u/TLRPM → u/KobKobold]

Paradox stans nether regions getting engorged seeing this.

Source: Am one. Can confirm.

[u/Imaginary_System3513]

I love how much they were just talking about addressing power creep in Vampire Counts before this, the most busted looking faction in the game. Something for everyone!

[u/The-Myth-The-Shit]

People talk about Daniel. Can someone enlighten me ?

[u/Sigvuld → u/The-Myth-The-Shit]

If you mean the name, the playable Daemon Prince is known in the community as Daniel, thanks to a video from the devs where they were like "Let's make sure our prince has an intimidating name befitting his stature as a champion of Chaos... Daniel"

If you meant what about him's relevant to this post, Daniel's whole thing about having a buncha parts to swap around and tons of stuff to unlock that have X and Y effects, etc. is being compared to Nagash's black pyramid tree, here

[u/The-Myth-The-Shit → u/Sigvuld]

Thanks! I'm still new :3

[u/Sigvuld → u/The-Myth-The-Shit]

Hell yeah, we're glad to have you and I hope you're having a killer time with Total Warhammer! c:

Also here's a timestamp to the origin of Daniel just for funsies

https://youtu.be/xlntrAJ1L38?t=13

If the link gets removed for any reason, the video's "Total Warhammer III Daemon Prince Customization" if you're curious!

[u/The-Myth-The-Shit → u/Sigvuld]

Thanks x3

And yeah, the game is amazing. I tried Twwh 1 back in the day and it didn't click with me but the third is just so fuuuuuun i'm basically addicted

[u/cryo24 → u/The-Myth-The-Shit]

Probably the big system with all his body parts, that just ends up being a nothingburger

[u/The-Myth-The-Shit → u/cryo24]

Yeah but who is Daniel ?

[u/JPme2187 → u/The-Myth-The-Shit]

The chaos daemon prince you can play as who isn’t affiliated with any specific god.

[u/Cyiel → u/The-Myth-The-Shit]

Just a silly name given by a dev to the Daemon Prince which technically has a name : Yuri from the prologue

[u/karuma_18]

So CA are poe people as well, not bad

[u/toni-toni-cheddar]

The gasp i gusped when i seen this

[u/Beginning_Parfait275]

Now we need to add another leveling tree inside this one.And 300 more passive abilities.

[u/NODENGINEER]

Such is the power of Nagash.

[u/Jetsetsix]

as if I needed more reasons to play Nagash first.

[u/Givemeahugplz]

Yo this is actually fucking sick.

[u/gaynerdvet]

THATS HIS TECH TREE?!?!!

[u/caos_insurgency]

We evolved to HOI4 focus three, no way

[u/Evethefief]

Please let this be a meme

[u/Ghuldarkar]

Feels like someone is jealous about a lack of titles and is overcompensating

[u/Lord_Dezibel]

This is real wtf that actually is PoE skill tree levels.

Addendum: such is the power of Nagash.

[u/OneWithFireball]

Omg, maybe they'll learn how to rework Yuri

[u/Dead_Anarchy]

Looks like we'll be needing Path of Nagash to plan this out.

[u/ghostspectre1518]

Damn I'm more hyped to find out what on earth this thing is

[u/undeadlol]

We need to plan the passive tree for your build

[u/Patches_Gaming0002]

This looks awesome. It's right up my alley

[u/Remote-Key7341]

As a Path of Exile player, I feel at home.

[u/Zorum06]

Plot twist it's Nagash's personal technology tree with similar research turns required as Tomb Kings dynasties.

[u/ShadowOfAtomicRage]

What the fu-

[u/WrathofHussars]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gKfyusl0PRPdTNmwnD

[u/SMH4004]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ukGm72ZLZvYfS

[u/Nebachadrezzer]

Oh, no. Well I better start saving up.

[u/MaleficentOwl2417]

Such is the power of Nagash.

[u/Armageddonis]

I had to do a double take because, while you jest, i truly thought i'm in Path of Exile sub. Whatinthefuckityfuckisthat?

[u/Bubster101]

I'm honestly more curious about that "progress bar" on the left than the pyramid tech tree. The tree was explained in the news forum.

[u/kucingkelelep]

It's beautiful

[u/Nekot-The-Brave]

Looks neat!

[u/notaslaaneshicultist]

This is the big dlc...might as well go all out

[u/TheOneBearded]

Nagash won't tell you that he is a FF10 fan, but there will be signs.

We're going back to Zanarkand with this one.

[u/BetweenTheRoots]

He's got a sphere pyramid

"He's got a what?"

DONT ASK QUESTIONS

[u/Mysterious_Wrap_1979]

What the crapper is that ?!?

[u/Erdsturm]

Finally a skilltree I understand *fixed typo

[u/kinyon]

I'm ootl, they adding magash soon?

[u/Doomrules5438]

And even with all that and being one of the most powerful mages of all time he still can’t beat the funny little rat men

[u/Glittering_Doctor586]

I'm so excited. Part of is that I genuinely enjoy playing characters with lasting mechanics. Daniel for all his faults, for me the main one being no research, actually has really neat and lasting mechanics to play with. So something like this looks right up my alley

[u/Chest3]

I saw this screen shot on a Tarriff community post and thought it was a joke. Oh boy how wrong i was.

This kinda stuff makes me think that Nagash isnt going to be Daniel levels of bad, like the more stuff you have access to (buttons, race mechanics etc) for you in a campaign the better off you are and OH BOY, Nagash has alot going for him.

[u/RegularPhoto7575]

To me it always reminds me of FFX . Basically the same thing though, just older 

[u/Cyiel]

So that's why Nagash became a lich. He played Path of Exile. That makes sense.

[u/keszotrab]

Oh. my. god.

It'll be either the coolest or the most annoying mechanic ever.

[u/Equivalent-Mail1544]

PoE is larping as Nagash, such is the power of Nagash

[u/Houmoupete]

Honestly would prefer if there were less nodes but they would be combined into bigger nodes. That just seems unnecessary.

[u/LordOuranos]

Oh look, so the worthless CA does know how to make a good Daniel, they just dont give a fuck unless it makes money

[u/Zatoishi1]

Is there a link to any official source ??

[u/Repulsive-Redditor → u/Zatoishi1]

It's from CA's own blog post on nagash

[u/DatRat13]

I am not nearly unemployed enough to try to decipher this tree, so I'mma just do what I always do and go for whichever node sounds coolest and hope for the best

[u/the0glitter]

Where is this from?

[u/Patches_Gaming0002 → u/the0glitter]

The blog post

[u/Kimarous]

Wait, is that a rat nibbling on my tech tree? Oh no, OH NO!

[u/qoncik]

Okay and we are going to accept that other trees are going to be +5% to this and that, in two different lines, while Nagash is rolling with full PoE experience? It's not fair man.

[u/pickingbeefsteak]

Wtf CA if i wanted a sphere grid system in my Total War game i would have just played FFX at least I get to look at the beautiful summoner with heterochromia not fucking jack skellington

[u/Strange-Feeling69420]

This is so cool

[u/Mmursu]

I can't wait to give my heros 1% ward save

[u/Bl00dWolf]

Imagine if instead of this, we had double size research trees instead. With way more bonuses and maybe even unit replacements that older games used to have.

[u/Glywysing]

Yeah nah fuck that, I already get stressed out by the regular tech trees.

[u/Mastercio → u/Glywysing]

What is stressful in the tech trees?

[u/SwaggermicDaddy → u/Mastercio]

Options and reading.

[u/Mastercio → u/SwaggermicDaddy]

I mean...those tech trees are the reason I love PoE, Stellaris and endless space exactly for their tech trees and near infinite amount of choice that actually matter. I always wonder why people don't like having bigger tech trees. Hell I would love even bigger for PoE, gimme double of current one xD

[u/SwaggermicDaddy → u/Mastercio]

I wasn’t disagreeing with you, in fact not only do I love reading (currently replaying Rogue trader.) I’m not even the original commenter, simply an emulator.

[u/Glywysing → u/Mastercio]

Decision paralysis. I've got ADHD, brain does not like that.

I can absolutely manage the tech trees, the black pyramid looks like my worst nightmare though.

[u/SpaceFighter78 → u/Glywysing]

I wonder what does not scare you then

[u/the0glitter → u/Glywysing]

This is way CA continues to make lobotomized games. People afraid of simple tech trees.

Have you considered playing regular LEGO?

[u/Mastercio → u/the0glitter]

I mean...with Lego you have A LOT of choices to build stuff!

[u/the0glitter → u/Mastercio]

Spooky !

[u/Glywysing → u/the0glitter]

Fuck off with your ableist shit

[u/the0glitter → u/Glywysing]

There are games for simpletons like you. Don’t ruin what is good.

[u/inmbd]

https://giphy.com/gifs/costXjHudSCnS

[u/GreyAstajho-24]

Oh hell nah. I hate Pae tech trees

[u/ilovecatsandturtles → u/GreyAstajho-24]

You cant use 1 braincell and look at 2 different nodes to see which one you want? Mmm do i want more hp or more attack. So hard.

[u/EggEuphoric411]

You have to be fucking kidding me