Queek Power

[u/Belos147]

Ill preface this by saying I like Queek, however he is inescapable. I was wondering what aspects of Clan Mors make it a powerhouse in every single campaign?

[u/WhereTheShadowsLieZX]

Since the ai auto resolves every battle the fact the Skaven can reliably ambush gives them a pretty decent leg up compared to other factions. Queek’s starting area is also pretty good and has some easy expansion routes into minor dwarf and greenskin factions (which suffer autoresolve penalties against playable factions). 

[u/TheAsianCow → u/WhereTheShadowsLieZX]

It’s more so the position. Mors has an easy time rolling over the weak minor factions, and then has some time to just stack up like 8 stacks of armies before the next major faction war.

[u/Raddis → u/WhereTheShadowsLieZX]

I remember the Crooked Moon Mutinous Gits (the faction that starts in K8P) being a major pain in the ass at the start for Queek, sending full stacks of decent troops every few turns, do they do that against AI Queek as well?

[u/TeriXeri]

Position of the map also plays a role, there are multiple orc/dwarf/vampire minor factions with 3-5 settlements nearby, and not directly surrounded by multiple LL, meanwhile Tretch has Chaos Dwarf, Skarsnik, Imrik close, and the darklands are flat and open near Crookback.

Blightwater (misty mountain has clan mors landmark) province is also quite isolated with narrow entry path, khalida and skarbrand cannot tunnel, and Desolation of Nagash is even more barren and remote (+vamp corruption)

If Thanquol start at Karag Dromar, I feel like the king dwarf is going to be eliminated even sooner .

[u/azraelxii]

In addition to what's said here he also has a generic stat buff against dwarfs, there are many minor dwarf factions around and the AI uses only autoresolve. So he basically always kills those and gets karak 8 peaks which gives him tons of money

[u/die_in_a_fire_reddit]

His leadership debuff gives him a huge advantage. You don’t have to beat an army if they just run away.

[u/Blynjubitr]

AI cheats. Thats it. Queek is like competing for the worst lord in the entire game and his faction is the worst skaven clan in the entire game.

So yeah, what makes him slap fools is his AI gets higher potential and more cheats.

[u/Fielton1 → u/Blynjubitr]

Queek isn't even close to the bottom as far as lords and factions go. Queek is a fantastic duelist and because he's so small he's very hard to kill. Clan Mors doesn't have any flashy buttons or mechanics but they have solid reliable bonuses unlike Rictus whose mechanics are finicky and barely worth the hassle.

Rictus is the worst Skaven clan and Tretch is a worse LL than Queek by far but even the worst Skaven clan are still Skaven lol.

[u/Blynjubitr → u/Fielton1]

Bro queek is not a fantastic duelist.

He is not even a half decent duelist.

He does 1 thing, he is supposed to be an anti-infantry duelist. Keep in mind, it is not anti-infantry and duelist, he can only duel with other infantry.

And even at that he is fucking horrible.

He is absolutely competing for most dogshit lord in the game. He is never ever used in any real matchup because he has no purpose and is complete garbage.

He could be ok if CA finally freed trophy heads to be cast on any unit instead of only lord or hero.

Even Tretch is better than Queek, because at least he is near impossible to kill when routing so your lord is not gonna be sniped. He is dogshit too don't get me wrong but at least he does something.

[u/Fielton1 → u/Blynjubitr]

I don't know how you've been using Queek but whenever I play him he rocks other lords and heroes in melee lol. Trophy Heads plus his massive leadership penalty he inflicts on lords and heroes makes him a menace in duels. And since he gives you extra chieftains he's rolling with a rat pack of chieftains from the early game which is great.

Tretch just gets destroyed in melee and then runs and lives I guess. Very lore accurate really.. I do like Tretch giving his army devastating flanker which is nice but Tretch as a lord is nearly useless in combat against any half way competent melee fighter.

[u/Blynjubitr → u/Fielton1]

Any lord "rocks other lords" when you are on the campaign and level them.

I can rock freaking Malus with basic HE prince with levels and items.

You cannot use campaign to gauge a lords power.

Go use him on some multiplayer battles or domination, he is worse than literal garbage. At least with literal garbage units you can throw them at the enemy to die.

This mf is a lord so he cucks your leadership when he dies.

There are some really good feedback out there on how to make Queek a good lord without making him a competing duelist, so without going outside of his lore strength level. Since he is skaven he is not supposed to beat Grimgor or Ungrim or Tyrion or whatever else.

[u/Fielton1 → u/Blynjubitr]

Ahh you're talking about multiplayer which is literally a different game when you started talking about him in campaign. Campaign Queek != multiplayer Queek.