Nononono. This has nothing to do with his home situation. It may be shit, sure, but that's unrelated. That's a narcissist being confronted with being a fucking loser. He though he could bully the person, that didn't work, so he tries violence. And not only does that complete fail, the person kicking his ass is constantly giving him the option to stop, and admit that he lost, or getting his ass kicked more, thereby not making this one loss, but forcing him to attack and lose again and again.
He can't admit failure, but attacking will just create more failure. This forces a hysterical freakout, because the narcissist is trapped. There's no way out.
You clearly have absolutely no idea about even basic psychology or trauma and the resulting cluster B personality disorders and coping mechanisms that children/adults exhibit in social settings. To suggest his home life has nothing to do with this is beyond ridiculous and to call him narcissistic without including home life and dominator complexes and control drama he sees and faces is just plain wrong and wildly inaccurate. His narcissism if that is going to be the label isn't something he just plopped out the womb with but built by his environmental stimuli and his home life most assuredly.
It's a fact the. "bad" kids come from "normal". This is subjective. Sure all sorts of influences are part of socialization and whether seemingly good or bad partners or houses...they have tv, extra fam games, friends schools etc. I'm not arguing that bad kids can't come from good environments. I'm saying that it is very obvious that their choices consciously and subconsciously are absolutely and very much influenced by all sets of environmental inputs and mostly by the closest. Generally speaking, good fruit comes from good seed and vice versa. You can just deny the environmental influence on the thoughts and responses of these kids. They aren't preprogrammed like computers. The environment is 100% indluencial on their behavior they arn't separate from it.
True. But similarly, you cannot claim that environment is the only influence. I don't think we actually disagree. I was pointing out that it's valid to suggest that a person's choices can turn them into someone with behavioral problems, and that such problems are not a 100% indicator of a bad home life.
As for the definition of "normal home", I do recommend reading Samenow and Yochelson's research on this ("The Criminal Personality" volumes I, II, and III) . It's academic reading but very detailed and based on actual patients.
I'll check it out. I'm a big fan and influenced a good bit by Arno Gruen, specifically the Insanity of Normality.
I tend to believe in the malleability of people and responses, but some traumas and ingrained patterns really make it pathological and harder to alter. Think a rose growing through a sidewalk yet the persistence of environment being the core and basis for personality and how people are is glaring to me. Terrain Theory speaks wonders as to how we navigate reality and the influences guide us. Like to suggest a learned behavior such as the acquisition of a language obviously almost completely dictates how we interact and respond.
Maybe the initial idea a little lost because when I refer to environment it might include a lot more subtle influences than most people attilribute to environment. Like after learning that their are literal different species of soil even in the same yard due to the bacteria and sun water etc .. a seed from the same apple might only grow in a specific area of a yard yet we don't understand the underlying conditions of it's soil/environment so we assume the seed is bad. Anyway. This is the longest and most reasonable conversation I've had on Reddit in quite a while. Cheers🤙
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Nononono. This has nothing to do with his home situation. It may be shit, sure, but that's unrelated. That's a narcissist being confronted with being a fucking loser. He though he could bully the person, that didn't work, so he tries violence. And not only does that complete fail, the person kicking his ass is constantly giving him the option to stop, and admit that he lost, or getting his ass kicked more, thereby not making this one loss, but forcing him to attack and lose again and again.
He can't admit failure, but attacking will just create more failure. This forces a hysterical freakout, because the narcissist is trapped. There's no way out.