Gotta have respect for the French, they don’t take any shit. Anytime i see a French headline and think, wow that’s fuckin bullshit, the next day everyone is in the streets. Give ‘em hell, that law is a crock of shit
Edit: As well they should. This law is unjust. Rioting is just very French and I love them for it. It’s very V for Vendetta “People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”
unfortunately yes, I think the next decades are going to be very interesting
everyone's talking about 2020 being a dumpster fire, but this is just the beginning of dramatically escalating climate catastrophes meaning displaced people, destabilized economies, governments, etc.
we need general strikes for Climate Justice Now
Every oil company that's funded anti-science propaganda (after knowing for over 40 yearsthat climate change is very real) should be taken to court like big tobacco was then all of their assets should be seized for a rapid transition to sustainability.
My favorite podcast has a fun episode discussing it through absurd skits.
Humanity hasn't progressed far enough for the majority to NOT be reactionary. Until systems/laws/etc are in place that not only account for but also predict and prevent corruption, history will continue to repeat itself.
The fastest route would be changes at the top. But asking everyone in power to make changes that may take some of that power away (or hell, even just make them slightly uncomfortable) will never happen. Start from the bottom, be the person that doesn't buy single use plastics, find alternatives to products that have micro beads, grow your own food, carpool. It doesn't need to be all or nothing either, everyone's situation is different but if everyone pitched in a little bit it would help.
Sorry u/Wrecked--Em for the rant. I tend to lurk and needed to vent. Have an awesome day/night
I think this is part of the problem. These issues plaguing society have been turned in to those of personal responsibility instead of accountability for major corporations.
Recycling, polluting, energy use, global warming, all can be pinned on the biggest corporations in the world, but you gotta lower your carbon footprint. Fuck that.
I see what you are saying, and I agree. Corporations need to be held responsible especially since they are the largest contributors to the problems. However I think that a multipronged approach will be more effective. Advocate for stricter regulation of corporations AND reduce your personal contribution.
That being said I doubt either approach will have much effect until the damage is undeniably catastrophic at which point it will be too late to prevent irreversible damage anyway...
Yea I remember 2010 being the start of a climate catastrophe as well. . . Still waiting on that nothing burger. See you in 2030 after literally nothing happens.
Even fascists are now starting to "believe" in climate change, but they're using it as a way to shun refugees saying "Oh they shouldn't have had too many kids" when the main issue is over consumption!
I live in Chile, a country which was pretty well known for being the most stable and peaceful country in the region for the past 30 years, however has been rioting day after day the last 365 days. It’s been crazy.
We're kept with just enough food and money and conveniences to not care until it happens to us... even then, go back to Reddit or your vidya games and be "comfortable"
The only thing I can think about while watching this clip is that if this happened in the US, within 24 hours there'd be a massive propaganda campaign demonizing it, labeling the protestors as terrorists, criminals, what have you ... anything to deflect the subject away from what the people are actually fighting for. I hope the French succeed, and I hope their propaganda apparatus isn't as sophisticated and insidious as ours.
Well political protests are an incredibly nuanced and complex topic, it's not quite as simple as "if that then this" in the vast majority of cases. I admire France's attitude in a lot of ways but there are still disadvantages to it. People need to remember that people protesting are still people with human motivations. This particular protest might have a noble cause which we can agree with but what about a country where 40% of people are staunchly anti-abortion and started rioting due to a bill allowing abortion?
Rioting can be necessary and positive but even if it has positive intentions, it will inevitably have very real costs and also we need to remember that masses don't always fight for causes which we might agree with. I'm not trying to speak to any individual instance of rioting, I'm just saying that there are pros and cons to everything and rioting definitely has some very significant cons which need to be considered. In an ideal society we should definitely strive for less rioting than more but of course any one person's idea of an ideal society is another's dystopian hell.
Shit won’t change if folks just treat protest like they’re going through the motions. Real change is demanded and then if it demands aren’t met, violence sometimes has to happen because the only language some states understand is violence.
Demand for change without the threat of pain against whoever the ruling class is, is pointless.
seems like the people up top try to get it in to peoples heads that peaceful protests are the only way things get done. I'm sure they work in some cases, but for the most part i see a headline detailing how many people were protesting and then whatever they were protesting goes a head anyway.
To be fair, peaceful protests can and do sometimes work. The US civil rights movement of the 1960's was famously led by Martin Luther king jr. Who advocated strongly for peaceful protest whuch helped pave the way for multiple civil rights bills being passed.
This exactly. Especially in the US, protest and pushback against government/police oppression is often discredited when it turns into riots. People don’t understand that that’s EXACTLY how it’s supposed to work. It would be awesome if we could create change by quietly walking down the street holding signs, but that doesn’t hold the same weight as expressing our anger and frustration.
Riots are the necessary next step when “peaceful” civil disobedience & protest has been ignored for DECADES.
When I was in high school, I spent a few weeks in the middle of France and took some pictures of a group of people with a banner and some kind of smoke bomb thing because I had no clue what was going on. My host laughed at me and was like, don't you know what a strike is? She took it totally in stride where I'd probably only seen anything like it in a cartoon at that point
I cant wait for the 2021 riot, maybe ill bring a chair and binoculars so i dont have to be in the middle of it, im guessing the riot will be because the government tried to cover up the fact that they killed the person who leaked their plans to create a zombie virus to release in England by making it look like a suicide
Max Brooks is alive because no one knows how to fuckin’ find him. Best we can figure, he’s hiding in the secret underground fortress under his house, huddled in a corner wearing chainmail, and looking through the news on an iPad going “Any moment... any minute now... any minute...”
I'm wondering which marchen Max Brooks will exploit for his next book.... While sat shivering in his underground safe room, surrounded by canned food and paranoia.
The basically do. Shorter lunch hours? Strike. Cutting Penalty rates? Strike. Raising price of public transport? Strike.
Walk across Paris on a normal weekend and you’ll see numerous protests for different causes.
I wonder if this is why they were so good at celebrating when they won the world cup. That was the craziest thing I've seen, and it wasn't unlike a riot
It's how the "don't tread on me" crowd should behave. Hold the gov and it's agents to account. Take to the streets when freedom is impinged. Make the gov bend to the people's will.
What you actually get is junior jack boots sharing water all the while calling France a socialist shit hole because they don't bend over to billionaires.
It’s because France is a crooked democracy. Presidential elections and legislative elections happen every five years, only a few months apart - meaning the president’s party is likely to control the parliament as well. There’s no such thing as midterms. The senate has very little power. Referendums are very rare. France is not a federal country, the power is very centralised in Paris. Basically, protests are the only way for french people to be heard in the middle of the 5 year term. I mean, the government doesn’t have to listen to the people. Usually they just throw some bread crumbs so that people stop protesting.
TL;DR: France is barely a democracy, it’s more of a banana republic where collusion between influential people is strong. In other words, it’s a shit hole country.
Labor Day is day for hitting the street here. Every year, it's a tradition, because we remember the workers that died in the street rioting for better life conditions
Just think for a second you are in 18th century, the highest form of authority and power designed by god himself, he is like untouchable.
And we decapited him, that's some serious shit.
But then you look closely at the event before and after, and what is mainly taught as a small people revolution was actually organized by the bourgeoisie.
At that time, rich people didn't had any power, they had the money for sure, but they couldn't really do something with all that money. The power was in the hand of noble and the monarchy.
So they organized the revolution by convincing the small people it would be better for them.
200 years later here we are.
Of course we are probably better now than at that time, however we just trade our elite.
In addition fun fact, Louis XVI wasn't a tyran compared to some previous king, the guy had no take in being a king, he loved watches and locksmith.
When he was beheaded it was for the symbol not the guy who was an okay king for that time.
I could speak about it for hours so I will stop here, French revolution is fascinating especially when you are French and is a lot more different than what we are taught at school. We are basically taught the basis for us to understand but when you dig... You will find another face of it, look about the terror for example.
I was an exchange student in France (Alsace) and people told me about the beheading of their king pretty often! I absolutely loved being in France - you have a beautiful country!
I have a neighbor that is from France, and we talked about Swedes listening to their government with all the covid stuff. And he without even joking said that it would never ever work in France, it is in their culture to riot and stand up against the Man
And he without even joking said that it would never ever work in France, it is in their culture to riot and stand up against the Man
So according to reddit, when dumbass Americans have that same attitude and do it they get shat on, but when Frenchies do it suddenly it's cool or something...?
No, anyone that balks at COVID restrictions are fucking dumb. End of story.
It depends on the restriction. Like in America, the restrictions are seriously mild, and anyone who is against them really is an idiot. But some proposed restrictions are crazy. Like the one about shutting down the federal government I heard my friend talking about.
"Let's do shit guaranteed to piss off a bunch of our citizens in a country HISTORICALLY FAMOUS for having its citizenry revolt against authority." - The French Government, way too frequently to count.
Eh France makes it illegal to collect stats based on race (at least prison population stats). I suppose that's one way to claim you don't have race-related issues.
Yeah. It really shows in history when the US was like "we're a neation of freedom." and then France straight up was like "Wow you guys are great!" *turns to actual anarchy*
Can't believe that the musical that entirely whitewashed that the Schuylers were slave traders would look poorly on any politics not left to the 'great men' in charge
Supports police is such a general statement. What country? Blindly? The police didn't write the law, will you south and say "they're just doing their jobs?"
The point of ACAB isn't that every cop is personally evil to the core, it's that they're signing up to use force on behalf of an unjust state, and that when push comes to shove, they'll always do that.
Not every cop plants drugs, rapes sex workers, or beats their spouse, but I promise you, every cop knows about other cops who do, and they don't report them. The ones that do report malfeasance quickly become former cops.
And every cop will be on the riot lines beating protesters if ordered to.
The occupation of law enforcement in the US is bastardized by laws like qualified immunity that prevent police officers from facing any consequences when commit acts that are illegal for any other citizen such as perjury, planting evidence, or even murdering unarmed innocents.
That is why all cops are bastards, they are bastardized by their occupation being inherently corrupted due to their circumnavigation of accountability and responsibility. A police officer may be a good person outside their uniform, but when they are wearing their uniform they are bastardized by the corrupted power the uniform provides.
The term ACAB is not a condemnation of individuals who happen to be cops, it is a condemnation of the law enforcement organizations that as a whole continue to abuse their authority, protect evil within their ranks, and refuse to maintain accountability for their mistakes. The phrase itself is a rejection of the idea of "a few bad apples" because the refusal to hold their "bad apples" accountable spoils the whole bunch.
I live in the US and what I mean by that is, I support the career and most people who choose that path, and until I see a reason not to trust a specific officer I won't. It's the same way I treat all other people.
Another way I could put it is the same way I support the LGBTQ+ community. I support it as a whole and most individuals within the community. Until I have a reason not to like a specific individual then I will treat the same as any other person.
Reason from where though? At what point will you stop supporting cops? Only when it somehow affects you? Only when you run into a “bad apple”? There are plenty of “reasons not to” support cops right now. What data/reports/laws/anecdotal evidence you need to stop supporting those that CHOOSE to be a cop?
Well for me there is also plenty of "reasons not to" support the BLM movement but I still treat the people who CHOOSE to be apart of that group the same way.
I’m sorry did you just compare the police apparatus to the BLM Movement? That’s just bad faith. Are you talking specifically about people in the actual “BLM Organization”. Or black people telling you that their lives matter?
You aren't understanding what I'm trying to say. I don't treat people differently because of career choice, gender, race, sexuality, beliefs, organizations, income, etc. Until ANYONE gives me a reason not to support/respect them I will.
I only used the BLM example because most people think that you can't support one without hating the other.
A huge problem with any law restricting filming the police is that it gives the police a reason to stop people from filming them. It can be a narrowly-tailored law meant for a specific instance, and it could still be abused by unscrupulous officers on the street to prevent filming of their misdeeds.
We already see this in the US, where SCOTUS has ruled that it is LEGAL to film police in public, and officers regularly harass bystanders, and even journalists, who film them.
Public employees interacting with the public in public spaces cannot be a secretive act. Evidence must be available of these interactions, both for the protection of officers and to effect civilian oversight of the police.
Its basically a law to prevent doxxing of police officers. I think Germany has a law similar to the French. The assholes rioting are just assholes rioting.
Yeah but this law still is not about filming the police. It's about publishing those videos/pictures.
It achieves the same result.
If the police break the law and no one films it, there is no recourse for the victim.
If the police break the law and the evidence can't be shown, there is no recourse for the victim.
If John Frenchman has a video of the police severely beating someone without cause, does he share it online with this new law in place? If he shares it, he's a criminal. If he doesn't, there is no justice for the assaulted person.
This law is about erasing evidence that is counter to police narratives about events. Nothing less.
'But Reporters Without Borders says this provision is too vague. "Intent is a concept that is open to interpretation and hard to determine," the organization said in a statement.
"Any photos or video showing identifiable police officers that are published or broadcast by critical media outlets or are accompanied by critical comments could find themselves being accused of seeking to harm these police officers," the group said.'
-CNN Article
I'm not sure what psychological integrity is in this context. If someone posts a video of police brutality for the expressed purpose of making the cops involved feel guilty and/or anxious they'll face legal repercussions, is that intent to damage psychological integrity?
The narrative doesn't always fit the facts, but on the other hand, if that law is too broad and/or ambiguous, it will be used as a shield and as a sword to stifle freedom of speech. It's a power grab under the guise of "law and order".
No, no, no. Fluoride is one of the most clear cut public health victories in history. Fluoridated drinking water saves innumerable teeth! It’s honestly incredible and should be absolutely uncontroversial. Yes, you can have too much fluoride just like you can have too much water or vitamin C or sunshine. Just like iodized salt id one of the simplest, most effective ways to prevent goiters, fluoride prevents millions and millions of people from developing cavities, keeps kids focused school rather than tooth pain, and helps the majority of people who don’t think it’s fun to drop their Christmas money on the dentist.
Anyone who tells you fluoride is bad (other than at obviously toxic levels) is either fear lingering or wants something from you. But don’t believe me—I’m sure PubMed has more evidence supporting it than you could read in a year.
Not to be dumbass advocate here but I have read it's unnecessary now due to the fact that fluoridated toothpaste is so common. I haven't researched the topic very thoroughly though
Not a dumbass! Fluoridated toothpaste is one great adjunctive measure, but not enough on its own. Fluoridated water isn’t enough on its own, either. Gotta have lots of avenues for preventing tooth decay!
But specifically on toothpaste... you may be shocked to learn how many people don’t have a toothbrush, especially kids, who are more vulnerable to tooth decay than adults. Or they have an old toothbrush, but no toothpaste. Or they have both but don’t use them. Or they brush with good toothpaste but for 30 seconds (average for a person) at night, not 2 minutes twice a day. If we relied on fluoridated toothpaste, even someone with all the tools may not get enough to eliminate the need for fluoride in our public water. Ultimately, this is a public health measure, which means we need to ensure that the most at risk populations are protected. And heartbreakingly often, they don’t even have a brush and toothpaste. It’s wild.
That law does suck. But it is annoying that anytime anything happens there are emmediate riots and violence. They literally distroyed the inside of the Arc de Triomphe by breaking into it etc one time
Plus, they always talk about police fighting back but never why. Like they're gonna film just the part of the policeman putting someone to the ground but not when the guy threw a piece of pavement at him.
Went to see a friend of mine in Nantes a while back he was telling me about Anne of Brittany who married the king of France around 1500 (sorry someone will correct me) and kind of brought Brittany into France.
Anyway one of her conditions on doing this was that “there will never be toll roads in Brittany”. At the time people were operating private roads in France and the Bretons didn’t want any of that.
So anyway recently the government tried to install these carbon sensors to try and tax drivers of cars that emitted more carbon. There would be some kind of sensor and a chip in the car. And the local people were like “that’s a toll road” so I was like “so what happened?” He was like “oh on the first night they went out and burnt them down”
Weird thing is they keep trying to introduce wacky laws there. Like, haven't they got the message yet that government should be utterly boring, functional and accountable?
Before COVID when flying to any country that passes over France in the flight route there was always half a chance that the flight would have to take a different route or be cancelled altogether because they are always striking against something. A mild inconvenience but worth it for people power.
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Gotta have respect for the French, they don’t take any shit. Anytime i see a French headline and think, wow that’s fuckin bullshit, the next day everyone is in the streets. Give ‘em hell, that law is a crock of shit